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Airliner in Near Miss Collision with Drone by rogergarrison
Started on: 05-09-2014 07:21 PM
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Report this Post05-09-2014 07:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Airliner almost hit a military drone in Florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...rone-near-collision/
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Report this Post05-09-2014 07:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 84fiero123Click Here to Email 84fiero123Send a Private Message to 84fiero123Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The friendly sky's aren't so friendly anymore.

Why was a drone so close to an airport? I would think that would be a no fly zone for drones as they are not equipped with radar, or are they?

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Report this Post05-11-2014 07:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Around an airport, simply the pilot looking out the window is preferred over radar. Theres no one in a drone. The lag between radar image and manuevering can be deadly...as this one almost caused a crash. Radar usually only gets you lined up with a runway a few miles out from touchdown.
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Report this Post05-11-2014 02:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MonkeymanSend a Private Message to MonkeymanEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Nothing much to contribute to this thread except that I never understood the term "near miss". Either you missed or you didn't. Like being "sort of pregnant". Either you are or you aren't.
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Report this Post05-11-2014 05:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Near miss means they missed each other but were within a 'safety bubble' of each other that FAA dictates...usually an area 1-3 miles in any direction. Within a mile usually results in some kind of evasive action by either or both aircraft. Aircraft within a mile of each other can hit in a few blinks.
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

Nothing much to contribute to this thread except that I never understood the term "near miss". Either you missed or you didn't. Like being "sort of pregnant". Either you are or you aren't.


Dont forget, aircraft arent like cars. The bigger ones DONT respond to control inputs quickly, and at the speeds they travel (even a light-ish twin is doing 3 miles a minute plus, ) thats 6 miles per minute closure or 10 seconds from a crash........in something that can EASILY take more than 15 seconds for the pilot to see, recognize and initiate action AND get the machine to start responding.

Here is what you would see (with the time until impact) with a regular light trainer coming at you. Beleive me, and much more than a mile it DOES take a few seconds for the brain to figgure out if thats a bird or a plane, how far away it is, and what direction its heading in. That puts it in the 4-7 second range which IS enough time to do something in a small, responsive plane. NOT so much in something bigger and faster.

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You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.


ACCIDENT - The National Safety Council defines an accident as an undesired event that results in personal injury or property damage.

INCIDENT - An incident is an unplanned, undesired event that adversely affects completion of a task.

NEAR MISS - Near misses describe incidents where no property was damaged and no personal injury sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage and/or injury easily could have occurred.

From : https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/e...heets_accinvest.html

A 'near miss' is a politically correct term that exists.
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Originally posted by WBailey1041:


ACCIDENT - The National Safety Council defines an accident as an undesired event that results in personal injury or property damage.

INCIDENT - An incident is an unplanned, undesired event that adversely affects completion of a task.

NEAR MISS - Near misses describe incidents where no property was damaged and no personal injury sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage and/or injury easily could have occurred.

From : https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/e...heets_accinvest.html

A 'near miss' is a politically correct term that exists.



There are better definitions.....

Incident: The pilot almost crapped his pants.
Near Miss: He just did
Accident: It doesn't matter anymore.

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Report this Post05-11-2014 09:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Think of it as a miss that was very near to hitting you. If you stand right on the edge of a curb and a car goes by you only an inch away from contact...thats a near (by) miss.
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Again, you guys (and the FAA) can sugarcoat things all you want. No way you can "nearly miss" something. Either you missed it or you didn't. If it makes you feel better to think that you nearly missed something, go right ahead. You'll never convince me that it makes any sense.
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". .


It's an industry term.
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Report this Post05-12-2014 03:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Red88FFSend a Private Message to Red88FFEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm sure this is just the beginning. Nothing is going to stop the feds from using their new toy here in the states, nothing.
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Report this Post05-12-2014 04:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Purple86GTClick Here to Email Purple86GTSend a Private Message to Purple86GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Why is a drone flying / spying over its own country?
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.


Things that are near are closer than things that are far. You can miss by 5 miles or by 1 mile, for example.
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.


Thank you. I love precise language.

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Thank you. I love precise language.


its.....its.....its.... A LAWYER !!!!!!!!!


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You can call it a close call if you want. For something that dont make sense to you, seems like everyone else in the country knows exactly what a near miss is.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

You can call it a close call if you want. For something that dont make sense to you, seems like everyone else in the country knows exactly what a near miss is.


And some people are OK with using words like irregardless.

I think everybody knows what a near miss is when somebody says it but........ I am in the camp that technically a near miss would be something that almost missed but did hit.
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Report this Post05-12-2014 07:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Cheever3000Send a Private Message to Cheever3000Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So it should be called a "near hit". Which is something I experienced with the ladies countless times as a young man.
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Report this Post05-12-2014 07:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for acemanSend a Private Message to acemanEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
From my standpoint, I call it getting controllers out of thier laz-y-boy chair in the breakroom and into a meeting room or on position.
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Report this Post05-13-2014 10:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
On a note for that idea...I dont really know if these military drones show up on radar or not. Apparently in the case, the approach and airliners on board radars didnt see it.
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Report this Post05-13-2014 10:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpoonSend a Private Message to SpoonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Near miss,,,, fascinating term.

Perhaps an aircraft was too NEAR for comfort but MISSED a collision, hence "Near Miss".

So how did I do?

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