Around an airport, simply the pilot looking out the window is preferred over radar. Theres no one in a drone. The lag between radar image and manuevering can be deadly...as this one almost caused a crash. Radar usually only gets you lined up with a runway a few miles out from touchdown.
Nothing much to contribute to this thread except that I never understood the term "near miss". Either you missed or you didn't. Like being "sort of pregnant". Either you are or you aren't.
Near miss means they missed each other but were within a 'safety bubble' of each other that FAA dictates...usually an area 1-3 miles in any direction. Within a mile usually results in some kind of evasive action by either or both aircraft. Aircraft within a mile of each other can hit in a few blinks.
Nothing much to contribute to this thread except that I never understood the term "near miss". Either you missed or you didn't. Like being "sort of pregnant". Either you are or you aren't.
Dont forget, aircraft arent like cars. The bigger ones DONT respond to control inputs quickly, and at the speeds they travel (even a light-ish twin is doing 3 miles a minute plus, ) thats 6 miles per minute closure or 10 seconds from a crash........in something that can EASILY take more than 15 seconds for the pilot to see, recognize and initiate action AND get the machine to start responding.
Here is what you would see (with the time until impact) with a regular light trainer coming at you. Beleive me, and much more than a mile it DOES take a few seconds for the brain to figgure out if thats a bird or a plane, how far away it is, and what direction its heading in. That puts it in the 4-7 second range which IS enough time to do something in a small, responsive plane. NOT so much in something bigger and faster.
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You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.
You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.
ACCIDENT - The National Safety Council defines an accident as an undesired event that results in personal injury or property damage.
INCIDENT - An incident is an unplanned, undesired event that adversely affects completion of a task.
NEAR MISS - Near misses describe incidents where no property was damaged and no personal injury sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage and/or injury easily could have occurred.
ACCIDENT - The National Safety Council defines an accident as an undesired event that results in personal injury or property damage.
INCIDENT - An incident is an unplanned, undesired event that adversely affects completion of a task.
NEAR MISS - Near misses describe incidents where no property was damaged and no personal injury sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage and/or injury easily could have occurred.
Think of it as a miss that was very near to hitting you. If you stand right on the edge of a curb and a car goes by you only an inch away from contact...thats a near (by) miss.
Again, you guys (and the FAA) can sugarcoat things all you want. No way you can "nearly miss" something. Either you missed it or you didn't. If it makes you feel better to think that you nearly missed something, go right ahead. You'll never convince me that it makes any sense.
You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.
Things that are near are closer than things that are far. You can miss by 5 miles or by 1 mile, for example.
You guys (and/or the FAA) can call things whatever you want. There's just no such thing as a "near miss". If you "nearly missed" something, you hit it. Either you hit something or you missed/didn't hit something. There's no in between. Or...about 5 years ago, I "almost missed" running over a big tree root with my lawnmower. Then, since I "almost missed" hitting it, I "sort of replaced" the blade.
You can call it a close call if you want. For something that dont make sense to you, seems like everyone else in the country knows exactly what a near miss is.
You can call it a close call if you want. For something that dont make sense to you, seems like everyone else in the country knows exactly what a near miss is.
And some people are OK with using words like irregardless.
I think everybody knows what a near miss is when somebody says it but........ I am in the camp that technically a near miss would be something that almost missed but did hit.
On a note for that idea...I dont really know if these military drones show up on radar or not. Apparently in the case, the approach and airliners on board radars didnt see it.
Perhaps an aircraft was too NEAR for comfort but MISSED a collision, hence "Near Miss".
So how did I do?
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