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GM recall for fuel guage... by jaskispyder
Started on: 05-05-2014 12:15 PM
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Interesting.... on my Aztek, the guage hasn't worked for 10+ years and when I asked GM to cover the cost of the repair, they said "no".... I guess it is important enough to recall... now, for other vehicles??? Eh... oh well, trip odo works still
"Another General Motors recall is in effect today.

This one affects more than 50,000 SUV's.

GM says the fuel gauge may not display accurate readings to drivers.

Drivers may unexpectedly run out of gas because of this.

The recall includes 2014 models of the Chevy Traverse, Buick Enclave and GMC Acadia. "

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Originally posted by jaskispyder:


GM says the fuel gauge may not display accurate readings to drivers.

Drivers may unexpectedly run out of gas because of this.



GM fuel gauges being more of a suggestion than a gauge ??

Say it aint so !!

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Had to replace the $400 fuel pump assy in my 99 Silverado to get the gauge to work. It had less than 50000 miles on Had to do the same on my 97 Grand Prix, but it had enough miles to justify replacing the pump.

GM makes garbage. The have always been on the cheap side, but now all they make is outrageously overpriced crap. I love my El Camino and Fiero, and all of the classics, but that Silverado, the Grand Prix and the rolling turd 2004 Tahoe Z-71 we currently own are just low-quality appliances.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder:

Interesting.... on my Aztek, the guage hasn't worked for 10+ years and when I asked GM to cover the cost of the repair, they said "no".... I guess it is important enough to recall... now, for other vehicles??? Eh... oh well, trip odo works still
"Another General Motors recall is in effect today.

This one affects more than 50,000 SUV's.

GM says the fuel gauge may not display accurate readings to drivers.

Drivers may unexpectedly run out of gas because of this.

The recall includes 2014 models of the Chevy Traverse, Buick Enclave and GMC Acadia. "


Knowing how inherently inaccurate they can be I never understood how those computers that say you have so many miles to empty are?

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Report this Post05-05-2014 01:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MidEngineManiacSend a Private Message to MidEngineManiacEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My 97 Sierra holds $100 from empty, give or take. The 1st $40 brings the gauge to "full", and the other $60 just keeps it there longer.
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Report this Post05-05-2014 01:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FrugalFieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Since most everything electrical in vehicles these days seems to be run through the PCM / BCM / ECM, the recall is an ECM update.

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We complain if the gauges aren't as accurate as million dollar instruments.

Gas gauge moves too much - so GM over dampens them and you run out before it hits E. Then they set the reserve high so it shows empty before it really is. We complain there is too much fuel left in the tank at E. I am wondering if this is an issue with the sensor curve.

Same as the temp gauge. We panic at 210F so GM clamps then so the don't move from 190-220 range. We complain they don't read right.
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Originally posted by tesmith66:

Had to replace the $400 fuel pump assy in my 99 Silverado to get the gauge to work. It had less than 50000 miles on Had to do the same on my 97 Grand Prix, but it had enough miles to justify replacing the pump.

GM makes garbage. The have always been on the cheap side, but now all they make is outrageously overpriced crap. I love my El Camino and Fiero, and all of the classics, but that Silverado, the Grand Prix and the rolling turd 2004 Tahoe Z-71 we currently own are just low-quality appliances.


i just buy the 40 buck fuel level sender and replace that if the pump works and on grand prix you dont need to drop tank so it is 20 min job to change http://www.autozone.com/aut...dentifier=57872_0_0_ doorman Part Number: 911-008
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When my 2007 civic is on E there are literally 2 gallons of gas left... enough to go 80 miles. Seems like a waste to me!
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


Knowing how inherently inaccurate they can be I never understood how those computers that say you have so many miles to empty are?

Steve



It's an 'Engineering Estimate', Steve.
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Report this Post05-07-2014 09:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cliffwSend a Private Message to cliffwEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Then we have these other Government Motors recalls ...
GM recalls 59,628 Saturn Aura cars for transmission cable issue

They got creative dealing with this next one. Lying to dupe dissatisfied customers into buying another lemon.
GM offers employee pricing to owners of recalled cars. Imagine that. I heard that the fix was like .57 cents, well the prevention would have cost that. That they would offer thousands off a new car instead of replacing an ignition switch, ? Heh, they really believe that the populace is too stupid to know "employee pricing" is a gimmick.
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Report this Post05-07-2014 09:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jaskispyderSend a Private Message to jaskispyderEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by cliffw:

They got creative dealing with this next one. Lying to dupe dissatisfied customers into buying another lemon.
GM offers employee pricing to owners of recalled cars. Imagine that. I heard that the fix was like .57 cents, well the prevention would have cost that. That they would offer thousands off a new car instead of replacing an ignition switch, ? Heh, they really believe that the populace is too stupid to know "employee pricing" is a gimmick.


Lemon? My HHR is recalled for the ignition switch. No biggie, I will take it in. I don't see this as a lemon issue. In fact, so far, my HHR has not required any non-routine service and has been trouble free.

They would make more money on the sale of a new car..... even by discounting it. BTW, employee pricing is not a gimmick... it exists and there is a savings over the "regular" (rebated) price. I bought my HHR with the employee discount.


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Think while they're at it, they can replace the Fiero fuel gauges that seem to be bone dry at 1/4 tank?
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Report this Post05-07-2014 09:52 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can, likely will, burn up the fuel pump from running out of gas.
Fuel pump running dry will quickly overheat when it have no fuel flow to cool/lube them.

Every time you run out then you damage the pump. Damage is permanent and if it survives, will have a short life.

 
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Originally posted by FrugalFiero:
Since most everything electrical in vehicles these days seems to be run through the PCM / BCM / ECM, the recall is an ECM update.

Maybe or not.
GM and others still use same resistor type sender as Input to BCM/Gauge. Iffy Sender or iffy wires to sender then BCM/Gauge will lie. Just like Fiero and Many others w/ same problem.

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GM and others still use same resistor type sender as Input to BCM/Gauge. Iffy Sender or iffy wires to sender then BCM/Gauge will lie. Just like Fiero and Many others w/ same problem.


If that is true, and I know it is, just how can those computer "How many miles to empty" Be even close to accurate?

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
If that is true, and I know it is, just how can those computer "How many miles to empty" Be even close to accurate?

Likely They use vacuum etc to calc that. Example, car can change mile to empty depending on average engine load.
Is just a glorified using vac gauge label as econ power instead inches of vacuum.
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Originally posted by theogre:

Likely They use vacuum etc to calc that. Example, car can change mile to empty depending on average engine load.
Is just a glorified using vac gauge label as econ power instead inches of vacuum.


But with how inherently inaccurate the gauges are how they even be close to accurate? I know some people who live by them, seems a little scary to me to depend on something as inaccurate as that would be.

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