Let's hope Microsoft keeps the trend going with producing good operating systems every other new release.
Win 98 = good Win ME = bad Win XP = good Win Vista = bad Win 7 = good Win 8 = bad
I'm skipping Windows 8 on my systems. My office desktop and one of my laptops is running Windows 7 and I love it. My other laptop and shop desktop are both running XP (because I have some legacy programs on those machines that don't work with any newer OS).
The wife has Windows 8.1 on her HP Tablet w/ touchscreen and I find it difficult to do anything quickly on it with that OS. For what I do, the keyboard is king for getting the job done quickly and Win8 seems like it was written to NOT use a keyboard.
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Let's hope Microsoft keeps the trend going with producing good operating systems every other new release.
Win 98 = good Win ME = bad Win XP = good Win Vista = bad Win 7 = good Win 8 = bad
I'm skipping Windows 8 on my systems. My office desktop and one of my laptops is running Windows 7 and I love it. My other laptop and shop desktop are both running XP (because I have some legacy programs on those machines that don't work with any newer OS).
The wife has Windows 8.1 on her HP Tablet w/ touchscreen and I find it difficult to do anything quickly on it with that OS. For what I do, the keyboard is king for getting the job done quickly and Win8 seems like it was written to NOT use a keyboard.
Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7. And with 8.1 you can boot straight to desktop.
Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7. And with 8.1 you can boot straight to desktop.
I can't quickly navigate Windows 8 or 8.1 without a touchscreen. None of my PCs or laptops have a touchscreen. Fingerprints on my screens drive me nuts anyway.
I upgraded the wife's tablet to 8.1 to get the "boot to desktop" feature. And to tell you the truth, that "feature" seems more like an add-on than a primary function of the OS. It seems like there is always something you have to go back to the win 8 native "app screen" to access that you can't do inside the conventional desktop without having to jump thru a bunch of hoops. In this regard, I think that actually makes windows 8 slower to actually use. Not only that, but my biggest complaint about Windows 8 is it is a major pain in the ass to shut down apps (usually have to go to the desktop and then ctrl-alt-del to get into task manager to shut them down).
You say Windows 8 is faster. But from what I've seen, it isn't "faster enough" to justify the headaches of upgrading and having to deal with incompatibility issues with legacy hardware and software - AGAIN. I think I'll wait for Windows 9 to come out before I worry about upgrading.
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8.1 update... might help. or not. restoring real start button etc should help. No aero means still look like using old 9x/XP GUI... Many people are unimpressed by 8's desktop. Is true that Aero can eat CPU and GPU cycles but it was user choice for using it or not. MS took away that choice to make everything to look like Surface tablet and save power on Surface Pro.
I told MS forces app store account to get the update... MS still doesn't get that many refuse to use MS App Store. Many Businesses will never allow users to access MS store because Many businesses are locking down everything.
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Originally posted by Darth Fiero: Let's hope Microsoft keeps the trend going with producing good operating systems every other new release. Win 98 = good Win ME = bad Win XP = good Win Vista = bad Win 7 = good Win 8 = bad
Problem is Vista 7 and 8.x uses basically same kernels. Most Vista installs x86 and many drivers makers tried patching XP drivers use Vista and why many have major problems. Most OE 7 8 & 8.1 installs use x64. X64 forces all drivers to be signed x64 drivers. So Comparing 7 to Vista is apples to oranges for this reason. win 8 and 8.1 have major GUI problems. The kernel is good and MS ripped out many services to save power on Surface Pro and as a result, run faster. In fact, You can run 7 GUI on 8 Kernel using Ex7forW8
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Win NT 3.51 = very good Win NT 4.0 = meh (essentially Win NT 3.51 internals with the Win 95 look & feel) Win 2000 = very good
Despite being a resource hog, I agree that Win 7 is a very good (and stable!) operating system.
My dislike for them aside, 2000 was the pinnacle of their OS development ( even tho they stole their first product, and needed help from IBM to get to NT in the first place.. so i use the term 'their' loosely ). It was up hill getting to that point, and its been down hill ever since.
I have tried windows 8... gave it a fair chance to impress me (many months). BUT, I do not like it (or I should say that apps are unless when you are trying to multi-task... and use "windows"). Give me windows 7 again. Sigh.
I can't quickly navigate Windows 8 or 8.1 without a touchscreen. None of my PCs or laptops have a touchscreen. Fingerprints on my screens drive me nuts anyway.
I upgraded the wife's tablet to 8.1 to get the "boot to desktop" feature. And to tell you the truth, that "feature" seems more like an add-on than a primary function of the OS. It seems like there is always something you have to go back to the win 8 native "app screen" to access that you can't do inside the conventional desktop without having to jump thru a bunch of hoops. In this regard, I think that actually makes windows 8 slower to actually use. Not only that, but my biggest complaint about Windows 8 is it is a major pain in the ass to shut down apps (usually have to go to the desktop and then ctrl-alt-del to get into task manager to shut them down).
You say Windows 8 is faster. But from what I've seen, it isn't "faster enough" to justify the headaches of upgrading and having to deal with incompatibility issues with legacy hardware and software - AGAIN. I think I'll wait for Windows 9 to come out before I worry about upgrading.
Sounds to me like you just don't know how to use it. I'm far faster on my laptop with no touchscreen on 8.1 than I ever was on 7. I don't even use the Start screen... ever. And apps shut down just fine... Also, all my programs that were on 7 work just fine on 8. But hey, don't upgrade, that's fine.
Sounds to me like you just don't know how to use it. I'm far faster on my laptop with no touchscreen on 8.1 than I ever was on 7. I don't even use the Start screen... ever. And apps shut down just fine... Also, all my programs that were on 7 work just fine on 8. But hey, don't upgrade, that's fine.
Hmm both a fanboy and you blame the user first... you sure you don't work for them?
Hmm both a fanboy and you blame the user first... you sure you don't work for them?
Nope. And in this case... probably is the user. I can understand not liking the Start screen. I only use the Start screen on my Surface. But 8 is objectively faster than 7, there are no problems closing apps, and I haven't had any incompatibility issues, but that's the only one that I can't put up to user error since I don't know what he's trying to run.
I boot straight to desktop, and never see the start screen. I use it the same way I use my Windows 7 work computer.
I wonder if i should go for the 8.1 update... I'm not running a legit version of Windows 8.. yeah yeah, I'm a terrible monster... I'll pay for my sins and all that... Just wondering if my illegitimate copy will take the update and if it will even work there after... I guess if it don't I have no one to blame but myself.
I’m posting this because I know I’m not the only one here wondering…
Originally posted by theBDub: But 8 is objectively faster than 7, there are no problems closing apps, and I haven't had any incompatibility issues, but that's the only one that I can't put up to user error since I don't know what he's trying to run.
OOBE, Win7 is slower then 8. Given... When you disable unused services (All NT and 9x have a very long history of turn on service most don't need.) and "bloatware" (Some think Aero is Bloatware.) then 7 XP 2K etc is fast too. MS does same thing to 8 as many of us have done to all NT, even 9x and older.
If I need best speed, I have/had a choice of disable GUI's eye candy... Active Desktop, Aero, Gadgets, etc. In 8, MS think they know best for everyone's need. Touch is a big issue not the only problem. 8 and 8.1 causes many problems for Disable users. No-one thinks 8.1 Update will change that. We'll see in a few days...
8.1 and new "Update" should have been push as SP1 and SP2 in MS Update. Instead MS trying to blackmail all users to create MS app store account. This is a big problem for many, including many Businesses.
Never hear of Active Desktop? Was used in 9x and Most disable/ignore the feature. MS stopped supporting it when turn out Active Desktop is Giant Security problem... Same happen to Vista/7 Gadgets.
I wonder if i should go for the 8.1 update... I'm not running a legit version of Windows 8.. yeah yeah, I'm a terrible monster... I'll pay for my sins and all that... Just wondering if my illegitimate copy will take the update and if it will even work there after... I guess if it don't I have no one to blame but myself.
I’m posting this because I know I’m not the only one here wondering…
Just hit up the torrent sites, Windows 8.1 has been out there for 4 months and has pre-activated versions. They are Tech release versions that were supposed to go to Computer builders so they could be installed on PC's that are sold in stores. Then tweaked so updates and activations won't ever be a problem.
For the record I am a computer tech, and I hate Windows 8.1 when I install 8 on any PC the first thing I do is install the hack to bring back a normal start button and normal desktop for them. You can get the tweak at www.ninite.com look for the classic start application and install that.
What I hate the most is the round about ways to get to things that were so simple in 7 like networking controls and network drives. Even computer properties and "manage computer" stuff.
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For those still clinging to Win XP and Win 7, Microsoft announced at Build 2014 conference another update that will add back in the start menu, and also allowed you to run windowed apps on the desktop. Sounds like they are finally giving into the criticisms from frustrated desktop users. Another cool announcement was that future Windows apps will be able to compatible between Xbox One, PC, and smartphones.
For those still clinging to Win XP and Win 7, Microsoft announced at Build 2014 conference another update that will add back in the start menu, and also allowed you to run windowed apps on the desktop. Sounds like they are finally giving into the criticisms from frustrated desktop users. Another cool announcement was that future Windows apps will be able to compatible between Xbox One, PC, and smartphones.
For those still clinging to Win XP and Win 7, Microsoft announced at Build 2014 conference another update that will add back in the start menu, and also allowed you to run windowed apps on the desktop. Sounds like they are finally giving into the criticisms from frustrated desktop users. Another cool announcement was that future Windows apps will be able to compatible between Xbox One, PC, and smartphones.
Nope. And in this case... probably is the user. I can understand not liking the Start screen. I only use the Start screen on my Surface. But 8 is objectively faster than 7, there are no problems closing apps, and I haven't had any incompatibility issues, but that's the only one that I can't put up to user error since I don't know what he's trying to run.
I boot straight to desktop, and never see the start screen. I use it the same way I use my Windows 7 work computer.
Most of the apps on the wife's tablet don't have a close or exit button in them - anywhere. The only way to exit is to basically back out of them. But guess what? Go to task manager after doing that and they are still running - hogging resources. Is it just too much to ask to give me back my red X in the upper right hand corner?
If you like Windows 8 - good for you. There are a lot more people who hate it than like it, I can assure you. If there weren't, then why is MS putting all this effort into adding traditional windows functionality back into it?
And as far as Windows 8 being faster - yea, it may be - for now. But let's see how fast it is after a couple of service pack patches and a couple of hundred updates are released and installed. I just changed out the HDD in my shop PC and reinstalled Windows XP on it. It is an older PC so it isn't fast enough to run practically with a newer OS. But it was lightning fast with a clean XP install. However, after I installed about 300 updates (including 3 service packs), it is as slow as molasses in January. I'm sure Windows 8 will follow suit once it gets its share of updates and service pack patches applied. Just give it time.
Most of the apps on the wife's tablet don't have a close or exit button in them - anywhere. The only way to exit is to basically back out of them. But guess what? Go to task manager after doing that and they are still running - hogging resources. Is it just too much to ask to give me back my red X in the upper right hand corner?
If you like Windows 8 - good for you. There are a lot more people who hate it than like it, I can assure you. If there weren't, then why is MS putting all this effort into adding traditional windows functionality back into it?
And as far as Windows 8 being faster - yea, it may be - for now. But let's see how fast it is after a couple of service pack patches and a couple of hundred updates are released and installed. I just changed out the HDD in my shop PC and reinstalled Windows XP on it. It is an older PC so it isn't fast enough to run practically with a newer OS. But it was lightning fast with a clean XP install. However, after I installed about 300 updates (including 3 service packs), it is as slow as molasses in January. I'm sure Windows 8 will follow suit once it gets its share of updates and service pack patches applied. Just give it time.
Gotta love the almighty Microsoft...
Pull down from the top to close apps... Like I said... user error.
windows 8 programs in metro mode run kinda like those on an android or ios... they stay running untill the system needs their recourses then will close them. so yes, it will stay running, but if you have low ram, and try to open something else up, the oldest used app will close, or go into a suspended state depending on the app.
i kinda like 8.1.... as a network/system admin, it has alot of very nice things built in, its security is higher, and RDP 8.0 is just mmmm mmmm good.
Wait What??? I use RDP Daily,(its running 24/7 on my home desktop to access my media server) however have never tried it on Windows 8....... AH Crap you know how much work you just made for me..... I'm going to have to install Windows 8 on a spare HD in my main rig to dual boot it, just so I can try this new RDP.
So what's so new and cool about RDP in Windows 8. My desktop and media server are hard wired gigabit so bandwidth and latency are a non issue. Only time it gets a little fussy is trying to watch video remotely over RDP.
Well then, I am wrong. My apologies--I was being unnecessarily snarky.
To be honest, it COULD be an app problem, I suppose. I'm just blaming the OS because it is a pain in the ass to use without a touchscreen.
My gripe with MS is they had a very fine and nicely working OS for desktops and non-touchscreen laptops in Win7; and they had to go and morph it into something that they thought would appeal to the "android and iphone crowd" - not thinking about their core customer base who still has non-touchscreen desktops and laptops.
Originally posted by Darth Fiero: My gripe with MS is they had a very fine and nicely working OS for desktops and non-touchscreen laptops in Win7; and they had to go and morph it into something that they thought would appeal to the "android and iphone crowd" - not thinking about their core customer base who still has non-touchscreen desktops and laptops.
Exactly, and well stated.
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