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Fort Hood......AGAIN! by texasfiero
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Report: Shooting at Fort Hood; Multiple Injuries

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Another "work place violence" incident?
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Ban soldiers.
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Another feed.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/...-shooting/index.html

 
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Fort Hood's official Twitter feed asks that personnel on post shelter in place

Officials recommend you put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

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I just heard a report of 1 dead and 8 wounded. That is likely to change as more information comes out.


edit: Just announced, one shooter is dead.

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14 wouonded, one dead. Waiting for confirmation that the shooter is Muslim...
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https://www.facebook.com/fo...ts/10152272225232159
 
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Shooting incident at Fort Hood
UPDATE: Fort Hood's Directorate of Emergency Services has an initial report that a shooter is dead but this is unconfirmed.
The injured personnel are being transported to Carl R. Darnall Medical Center and other local hospitals. Numerous law enforcement agencies are in support and on the scene. The number of injured are not confirmed at this time. No further details are known at this time. There has been a shooting at Fort Hood and injuries are reported. Emergency crews are on the scene. No further details are known at this time. As further details are available, they will be released through FortHoodPressCenter.com.


https://twitter.com/forthood

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If we just banned guns, so soldiers wouldn't have them, this wouldn't happen!!! /sarcasm.
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Military bases are essentially gun-free zones.
No one is allowed to be armed unless issued a weapons for specific duty or training. That's why Nidal Hasan was able to kill 13 and wound 31 before being stopped by responding civilian law enforcement.
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4 dead 14 wounded
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Originally posted by texasfiero:

4 dead 14 wounded


One is the shooter.
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14 wouonded, one dead. Waiting for confirmation that the shooter is Muslim...


Or 'a supporter of the tea party' ( which is never the case, and even if so who cares? ).

Then we blame the gun.
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Or 'a supporter of the tea party' ( which is never the case, and even if so who cares? ).

Then we blame the gun.


Like the Navy Yard shooting...

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The media is already saying it is NOT terrorist related. How in the world can they make that declaration so early before it is even officially over?
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The media is already saying it is NOT terrorist related. How in the world can they make that declaration so early before it is even officially over?


They're just doing as they're told.

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The media is already saying it is NOT terrorist related. How in the world can they make that declaration so early before it is even officially over?


Because there is no more terrorism. Everyone loves us now.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

Military bases are essentially gun-free zones.
No one is allowed to be armed unless issued a weapons for specific duty or training. That's why Nidal Hasan was able to kill 13 and wound 31 before being stopped by responding civilian law enforcement.


That is why we must ban all weapons from the military, its for the children!!!!
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I was stationed at Ft Hood in the late 60's
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I was stationed at Ft Hood in the late 60's


My daughter had just finished processing and came home for a couple of days before going to Afghanistan on Nov. 5,2009, and a close friend's daughter is there now as a nurse.
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Originally posted by Formula88:
Military bases are essentially gun-free zones.
No one is allowed to be armed unless issued a weapons for specific duty or training. That's why Nidal Hasan was able to kill 13 and wound 31 before being stopped by responding civilian law enforcement.

That was not always the case. From some things I hear soldiers (perhaps just officers) could carry loaded weapons in the 70's.
The press conference was interesting. The spokesman, a three star general, praised the response by military police, saying they arrived within fifteen minutes. He got into a back and forth with a reporter about armed servicemen and said he would not get into a debate about it. I expect this to be debated both within the military and of course in public.
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".
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That was not always the case. From some things I hear soldiers (perhaps just officers) could carry loaded weapons in the 70's.


Too bad its not that was not the way things are today. Sure, an armed populace wont deter a person with a death wish and he may have still killed someone, but the body count would have been FAR less.
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That was not always the case. From some things I hear soldiers (perhaps just officers) could carry loaded weapons in the 70's.


Clinton changed the rules in the 90's to make everyone safer.
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Clinton changed the rules in the 90's to make everyone persons with ill intents safer.


Fixed that for you.
I wondered when and who. What event prompted this need for safety ? Ideology ?
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Fixed that for you.
I wondered when and who. What event prompted this need for safety ? Ideology ?


Its politics, what else would it be for?
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Its politics, what else would it be for?

Of course it is politics. However they usually give us a snowjob reason for actions they take. Usually by inventing a crisis.
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14 wouonded, one dead. Waiting for confirmation that the shooter is Muslim...


How's that waiting going for you?
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If we just banned guns, so soldiers wouldn't have them, this wouldn't happen!!! /sarcasm.


Equally sarcastic...if there were plenty of guns in the vicinity, this wouldn't happen.
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Originally posted by cliffw:

That was not always the case. From some things I hear soldiers (perhaps just officers) could carry loaded weapons in the 70's.
The press conference was interesting. The spokesman, a three star general, praised the response by military police, saying they arrived within fifteen minutes. He got into a back and forth with a reporter about armed servicemen and said he would not get into a debate about it. I expect this to be debated both within the military and of course in public.
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".


FIFTEEN MINUTES!!!??? Let's see how many rounds I can pop off in twelve minutes and still have time to get away!

When I was in, the soldiers carried their M16s and rode in a truck to the range. The ammo got its OWN truck for the trip to the range. When we deployed to the gulf, they collected all the bolts from all the M16s for the flight.
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When I was in, the soldiers carried their M16s and rode in a truck to the range. The ammo got its OWN truck for the trip to the range. When we deployed to the gulf, they collected all the bolts from all the M16s for the flight.

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You were during Clinton ?
It begs the thought(s). We allow those that protect our security to not be able to protect their own. We do not allow them Second Amendment rights. Nor do we allow our servicemen First Amendment rights.


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When I was in, the soldiers carried their M16s and rode in a truck to the range. The ammo got its OWN truck for the trip to the range. When we deployed to the gulf, they collected all the bolts from all the M16s for the flight.


Its still done that way minus taking the bolts out of our M16/M4's when in an aircraft. We just use a barrel plug when in an aircraft. I was stationed at Fort Hood a little over a year ago, all my friends there are fine.

We can't carry concealed unless your side arm is registered with the Provost Marshall and you have a conceal carry permit and we can't carry in uniform unless required by your duty. You must also tell the gate guard that you have a concealed gun and show your permit. Anyone and everyone is subject to inspection at anytime.
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Fixed that for you.
I wondered when and who. What event prompted this need for safety ? Ideology ?


Same time period he pushed his Assault Weapons Ban through, IIRC. It was to be "tough on guns." You know - for the children™.

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We just use a barrel plug when in an aircraft.

Heh ... paratroopers "assemble, lock, and load" after they jump ? [/sarcasm]
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So they are saying the gunman was being treated for mental illness, no surprise there. Obviously he was mentally ill.

So what we have here is people that should have guns did not and a mentally ill person who is not supposed to have them did. Gun free zones are nothing more than a shooting gallery for sickos.

Should be almost humorous to watch the guntards try and twist this around. Since their position is basically indefensible my bet is on a call to limit access to the law abiding people that are not criminals.

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FIFTEEN MINUTES!!!??? Let's see how many rounds I can pop off in twelve minutes and still have time to get away!

You know from experience that Ft Hood is a very large installation. (sign used to proclaim "Largest military installation in the free world")
I doubt they allowed any off base leo in until they had a handle on what was actually going on. Depends where the MPs were at the time as well--even on base, it can be a lengthy drive to any point on base. Things were confounded by the fact that the shooter left the origianl crime scene and drove to another building.
 
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Milley said the gunman, dressed in military fatigues, opened fire about 4 p.m. The initial shots came inside the 1st Medical Brigade Area, he said, then the gunman got into a vehicle and went to a second building where he continued shooting.

Within 15 minutes military police responded. Milley said a female officer confronted the suspect in a parking lot near the second building. He approached the officer but stopped about 20 feet from her and put his hands up. Then, Milley said, the gunman reached into his jacket and pulled out his weapon. As the officer opened fire, the man shot himself in the head.


The shooter was reportedly being treated for or had sought treatment for mental illness of some kind, presumably PTSD, and had served in Iraq as a truck driver in 2011, but was not a combat veteran according to today's reports.

http://www.latimes.com/nati...40403,0,864732.story

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So they are saying the gunman was being treated for mental illness, no surprise there. Obviously he was mentally ill.

So what we have here is people that should have guns did not and a mentally ill person who is not supposed to have them did. Gun free zones are nothing more than a shooting gallery for sickos.

Should be almost humorous to watch the guntards try and twist this around. Since their position is basically indefensible my bet is on a call to limit access to the law abiding people that are not criminals.


he may have been programed to do the shooting by the CIA... JFK and his brother was killed the same way by a brain washed assassin
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Its still done that way minus taking the bolts out of our M16/M4's when in an aircraft. We just use a barrel plug when in an aircraft. I was stationed at Fort Hood a little over a year ago, all my friends there are fine.

We can't carry concealed unless your side arm is registered with the Provost Marshall and you have a conceal carry permit and we can't carry in uniform unless required by your duty. You must also tell the gate guard that you have a concealed gun and show your permit. Anyone and everyone is subject to inspection at anytime.


Ayup and no one is ever going to lie about that, why would they. its not like they make you go threw a thing like at the airports. so how are they supposed to know if someone is carrying if they don't tell you and why should someone who is going to pull something like this, they want the element of surprise in their favor.

glad you weren't there and so few were killed, it could have been a lot worse.

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Heh ... paratroopers "assemble, lock, and load" after they jump ? [/sarcasm]


I can't speak for Paratroopers since I have never jumped.


 
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So they are saying the gunman was being treated for mental illness, no surprise there. Obviously he was mentally ill.

So what we have here is people that should have guns did not and a mentally ill person who is not supposed to have them did. Gun free zones are nothing more than a shooting gallery for sickos.

Should be almost humorous to watch the guntards try and twist this around. Since their position is basically indefensible my bet is on a call to limit access to the law abiding people that are not criminals.


In the article that maryjane has a link to in his post, it mentions he purchased the gun from Guns Galore, the same place Hasan purchased his guns from. I am surprised that place is still in business, probably not for long now.

In this article, it mentions he was upset about not being able to go to his mother and grandfather's funerals. It also mentions that he has been in the Army for 9 years as a E4, which means as of recently, he was facing RCP. Meaning being separated from the Army. He had alot of stressors to indicate he needed to be monitored. There is no excuse for his actions though.

 
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he may have been programed to do the shooting by the CIA... JFK and his brother was killed the same way by a brain washed assassin


Are you wearing a Tin Foil Hat?
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I was stationed at Ft Hood in the late 60's


2010 for me. (pre mob for Iraq.)
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You were during Clinton ?


I was in under Big Poppa Bush. I took terminal leave in December prior to Clinton taking office in Jan 1993.
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