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Obama's Senseless Giveaway of Internet Control by Doug85GT
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This is senseless and will be disastrous for Internet freedom. Imagine if Russia or China got to determine who gets a web site and who doesn't?

http://www.nationaljournal....he-internet-20140319

 
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A top Commerce Department official pushed back Wednesday against concerns that the Obama administration is opening the door to an Internet takeover by Russia, China, and other authoritarian regimes.

The fears stem from the Commerce Department's announcement last Friday that it plans to give the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, an international nonprofit group, control over the technical system that allows computers to connect to Web addresses.

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The transition to full ICANN control of the Internet's address system won't happen until October 2015, and even then, there likely won't be any sudden changes. ICANN was already managing the system under a contract from the Commerce Department.

But having the ultimate authority over the domain-name system was the most important leverage the United States had in debates over the operation of the Internet. It was a trump card the U.S. could play if it wanted to veto an ICANN decision or fend off an international attack on Internet freedom.

Some have expressed concern that giving up that leverage could allow authoritarian governments or the United Nations to pressure ICANN to censor online content. For example, Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican, called the administration's announcement a "hostile step" against free speech.

"Giving up control of ICANN will allow countries like China and Russia that don't place the same value in freedom of speech to better define how the Internet looks and operates," she said in a statement on Monday.

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"We are going to fundamentally change America."

Kasparov: Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill

 
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Garry Kasparov, a leading opponent of Russian President Vladimir Putin and longtime Russian chess champion, had some tough words for President Obama and Hillary Clinton on Sunday night.

Kasparov said on his Twitter feed that Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill and fretted about the possibility that Clinton would succeed Obama.
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Haven't they been planning this since ICANN was founded?
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Not exactly. Clinton suggested it. Nobama is doing it.
There was no timetable. The NSA's activities renewed world demands that it happen.
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Originally posted by texasfiero:

"We are going to fundamentally change America."

Kasparov: Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill

[QUOTE]Garry Kasparov, a leading opponent of Russian President Vladimir Putin and longtime Russian chess champion, had some tough words for President Obama and Hillary Clinton on Sunday night.

Kasparov said on his Twitter feed that Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill and fretted about the possibility that Clinton would succeed Obama.
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Carter cared about this country and was not a moron. He may have failed as a president, but it wasn't due to lack of effort. ( aside from polices that i wouldn't agree with, he micromanaged *everything* which destroyed him )

He was a good guy at heart.


Back to the topic tho, why is anyone surprised that The O wants to do this? Everything else he's doing is to reduce our power..
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Haven't they been planning this since ICANN was founded?

 
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Not exactly. Clinton suggested it. Nobama is doing it.

Clinton now is out speaking against it.

Bill Clinton Opposes Internationalizing Internet Control
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Internationl internet control... then international, surveillence, police, currency, etc
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can you guys make up your mind on obama

is he increasing government powers or reducing them ?
you cry when he increases and cry when he reduces them
pick one and stay with it

or else I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does
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Given how inept 0bama's administration is at everything else, maybe this is a good thing?
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Originally posted by ray b:

can you guys make up your mind on obama

is he increasing government powers or reducing them ?
you cry when he increases and cry when he reduces them
pick one and stay with it

or else I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does


Do you actually have ANYTHING to say on the ACTUAL subject? or does policy discussion scare you.................... I think we all know the answer, trolling.
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Originally posted by ray b:

can you guys make up your mind on obama

is he increasing government powers or reducing them ?
you cry when he increases and cry when he reduces them
pick one and stay with it

or else I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does


I do see a difference between national soveriegnty and government control of citizens. Not saying there is zero overlap.
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Originally posted by ray b:

or else I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does


I have exchanged opinions with many who seem to abide by the very thing you describe, but I can't for the life of me figure out why....
I mean, shouldn't every man be granted accolades with the same fair-handedness as the condemnation that is assigned to him?

To do otherwise is at least less then honest.
And to any rational man listening should probably regard with caution any information coming from that source.

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Carter cared about this country and was not a moron. He may have failed as a president, but it wasn't due to lack of effort. ( aside from polices that i wouldn't agree with, he micromanaged *everything* which destroyed him )

He was a good guy at heart.


Back to the topic tho, why is anyone surprised that The O wants to do this? Everything else he's doing is to reduce our power..


 
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He was a good guy at heart.

A minor disagreement here. I hear this phrase, or something similar, "He's/she's really a good person, I just disagree with their politics". Please instruct me as to how a 'good person' can support the kind of policies that we see in force today? How can a 'good person' support an administration that would destroy America for an entire class of citizen, for the sake of their re-election. I have a different understanding of what a "good guy at heart" means.

Not saying there aren't some of those on the other side of the isle. I don't have any more respect for those who support amnesty, as an example, for the support of corporate interests who just want to keep labor costs down. Chances are strong that the next Republican POTUS candidate will be a supporter of amnesty. How is any form of amnesty good for the tax paying citizen? How does a "good person" sell their constituency and their well-being to lettuce farmers who want to keep harvest costs down?

One of the front runners is on stage with Hilary Clinton saying, "Hilary and I disagree on a few things......". Really? I'm extremely tired of 'go-along-to-get-along' politics. I want someone who will look the Devil in the eye and spit in it.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:


I have exchanged opinions with many who seem to abide by the very thing you describe, but I can't for the life of me figure out why....
I mean, shouldn't every man be granted accolades with the same fair-handedness as the condemnation that is assigned to him?

To do otherwise is at least less then honest.
And to any rational man listening should probably regard with caution any information coming from that source.



Well, on this one, it isn't the same. And so rayb misses that and shows he misses the point.
We want reduced government powers applied internally within the country, and increased government powers to protect our liberties externally.

There is no hypocrisy there. There is no waffling and "pick one and stay with it". It was two different issues, that he didn't understand the nature of. Unless he did understand the difference, and was just trying to make people look hypocritical.
I've given Obama credit. Great job with the call on the Somali pirates. He didn't have to do any planning. But he did probably have to give the green light. And on the bin Laden call, that was a very tough call. Now I could nitpick and say that it really wasn't that tough a call since if it went bad, he would have the media covering for him like they do with everything. But still.
Still. Look at the task of a president. Is he protecting our foreign interests? Is he defending the constitution? The answers are obvious.
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Originally posted by texasfiero:

A minor disagreement here. I hear this phrase, or something similar, "He's/she's really a good person, I just disagree with their politics". Please instruct me as to how a 'good person' can support the kind of policies that we see in force today? How can a 'good person' support an administration that would destroy America for an entire class of citizen, for the sake of their re-election. I have a different understanding of what a "good guy at heart" means.




Its pretty simple. The 'Good Hearted" feel what they are doing is the right thing for the country.. Carter did not go out with an intent to destroy America. He loved his country and thought he was doing the best for it. For people that do not have the same political leaning, he may have been sadly mistaken, but his intent was genuine. I wont fault the man personally for being wrong but doing what he thought was right.

Obama *did* have the internet to destroy this country. Far different agenda.
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Originally posted by ray b:

can you guys make up your mind on obama



Yes. hes a socialist ****** traitor, that borderlines on being a fascist, and should have been removed form this country long ago.
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Obama *did* have the internet to destroy this country. Far different agenda.


Yup! "fundamentally change......................" Them's his words!
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Yup! "fundamentally change......................" Them's his words!


Right. That's destroy in my book, not 'enhance and advance'
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Obumbles is destroying America ,destroying our military capability & there are 100,000,000 Americans that do not care
Thermonuclear war is comming directly to your town !
are not you happy that now the Chinese new fleet of nuclear Missile submarines are patroling America,s coast !

.....................ABSOLUTELY AMAZING !!
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... I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does

Says the guy who cried at everything Bush did, .
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Says the guy who cried at everything Bush did, .


NO just the bad stuff
granted that was MOST of what he did

example afgan was good esp the northern alliance/CIA FIRST PART
iraq WAS bad as it hurt the effort in afgan against the real problem of religious nuts like the tali-ban and benforgotten
but both wars should had been paid for on the budget
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NO just the bad stuff
granted that was MOST of what he did



*Everything* that The O does is bad.
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Originally posted by uhlanstan:

Obumbles is destroying America ,destroying our military capability & there are 100,000,000 Americans that do not care
Thermonuclear war is comming directly to your town !
are not you happy that now the Chinese new fleet of nuclear Missile submarines are patroling America,s coast !

.....................ABSOLUTELY AMAZING !!


He wont be in power much longer. We can work on rebuilding ourselves after he is gone. No, it wont happen overnight due to how deep the hole he has made, but it will happen.

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NO just the bad stuff
granted that was MOST of what he did



OK, (off topic it is I guess) so can you list some things that the "O" has done right, or "good" for America? And give a short reason why you think it was good?

BTW, for the record I dont fear or cry about obama, I voice my right to an ponion.

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but both wars should had been paid for on the budget




Agree. Many of us on the conservative side were screaming at him about that. We didn't give him a pass on that just because he was "our guy".


The democrat controlled congress and Obama haven't even had a budget for the past 5 years. What do you think of that?
And speaking of wars being paid for on the budget, then what do you think of Obama's deficit? Because it has been larger than Bush's every single year.
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the Chinese new fleet of nuclear Missile submarines are patroling America,s coast !

!!


interesting

http://www.bing.com/search?...earchBox&Form=IE8SRC
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Agree. Many of us on the conservative side were screaming at him about that. We didn't give him a pass on that just because he was "our guy".



War is rarely in the budget.

But i agree with you that ( at least personally ) i did not agree with everything GWB did.. Even Reagan wasn't perfect and i'm willing to step up and say it.. The Obama flock cant seem to do that. Must be genetic. Lets hope none of them pass that gene on.

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Originally posted by ray b:

can you guys make up your mind on obama

is he increasing government powers or reducing them ?
you cry when he increases and cry when he reduces them
pick one and stay with it

or else I guess you just love to cry about him no matter what he does


You got it. When Bin Laden was killed under his watch, it was because Bush set it up. The economic recovery and the boom of my (our) stocks have nothing to do with our present President.
This administration is characterized as not getting anything done. What people forget is who controls the House of Representatives. The Republicans. What is the job of the HOR?
The major power of the House is to pass federal legislation that affects the entire country, The House has some exclusive powers: the power to initiate revenue bills,

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He wont be in power much longer. We can work on rebuilding ourselves after he is gone. No, it wont happen overnight due to how deep the hole he has made, but it will happen.


Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceived hatred...

http://3chicspolitico.com/p...mas-accomplishments/

You might check out the country's deficit reductions as well. Bush left with over a trillion dollar deficit, now down to half that. But you go ahead and hate, it's in your genetic makeup.

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Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceived hatred...

You have got to be kidding us, !
You raise the specter of facts and use a web blog of three highly partisan black chics ? With this disclaimer ...
 
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Disclaimer
This is a personal weblog which does not represent the views of the authors’ employers, clients nor vendors.

It is just the thoughts of three infatuated dumbazzes. Who drank too much kool aid.

Lets look at some of their claimed accomplishments of "the great one" ...
 
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1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women

1) Did we ever hear of one dime that any federal agency cut in spending ? Was the study ever made public ? I remember that executive order.
2) Did we ever hear of one dime that any federal operation saved, or even hear of the review's results ?
3) Did you know equal pay for women is not a reality in the White House to this day ?

Some more ...
 
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5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House

The three dumazzes list these as successes, .

I am sure I can find some which are more glaring of failure.
 
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21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
23. Housing rescue plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
57 Increasing student loans
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, ...
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000, ,
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket



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Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceived hatred...




In regards to my post which you commented on, both that he "wont be in power much longer", and "after we can being go clean up the damage" are both FACTS. My post has NOTHING to do with past presidents. Give it a f-ing rest. This about what Obama has done to this country, no one else. Or are you morons simply incapable of not blaming someone else for your own problems?

Want to try it again? Bow to the socialist bastard if you like, but dont confuse facts from fiction, and take responsibility for your own actions.

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Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceived hatred...
But you go ahead and hate, it's in your genetic makeup.


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I could run a survey that claims anything.. Surveys dont make it true.
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I could run a survey that claims anything.. Surveys dont make it true.


IT WAS A JOKE! It is a joke that shows what a joke the POTUS has become. Some here don't understand it.

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IT WAS A JOKE! It is a joke that shows what a joke the POTUS has become. Some here don't understand it.


Oh. sorry about that.
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IT WAS A JOKE! It is a joke that shows what a joke the POTUS has become. Some here don't understand it.



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Do your own damn legwork. You saying this is all lies doesn't make it so. I'm beginning to realize what a waste of electrons this place is. Haters gonna hate, so have a long and healthy one, when the GOP blows the next election as well.

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I'm beginning to realize what a waste of electrons this place is.


Cya. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
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