I posted a thread a while back about a Mosin nagant A buddy of mine gave me to tow a car from MD back to PA for him, It's a 1942 Round receiver 7.62X54R Mosin nagant M91/30 Made out of Washington, When I got the gun I immediately liked it, It was heavy clumsy and very powerful Ony draw back is it is heavy and clumsy And very outdated To today's Gun standards So i did a little reading into it and found there is a kit to modernize the rifle
This is what the gun started out as, It's a thick heavy wooden stock that I would hate to be hit with, This aint something you break over your knee when you have a fit
So I did my research on the best way to modernize this rifle And there were 2 options on the table, Option 1 Was another stock Through a company called ATI It was a black Palmer stock that Made the rifle a bit less heavy and was inexpensive But Really did not do much to modernize it, So I dug a little deeper and found this. Its through a maker known as ProMag, They deal in Gun upgrades and accessories and this is a relativity new addition to their lineup.
This stock dose quite a bit for the rifle Only drawback is It dose make it a tad bit heavier But the weight is better balanced than it is with the wood stock. It incorporates a pistol grip design allowing for a better grip of the rifle as well as what they call a palm filler with ensures a tight grip around the handle, Its other nice features include an adjustable padded butt And an adjustable cheek rest. Another nice feature is a little storage compartment at the bottom of the stock for small tools and such. The biggest addition to this stock (which for a lot of owners has been a double edged sword) had been the addition of a Mag system. (ill explain the problems later in the writeup)
Installation was easy In fact it was the take down of the old stock that made it a bit of a pain, But all in all i got it done, Once you take down the old stock the only thing being transferred to the archangel stock is the Trigger, receiver, and barrel everything else just get put away with the old stock, The drop in is simple it pretty much fits right into the stock and is bolted down with 2 Allen head bolts, The biggest problem at this point is the trigger frame, The Mosin nagant has a pretty far trigger pull and also the trigger must be pulled to remove the bolt, So Part of the trigger frame must be dremmeled down before installation, After you have done that drop the assembley in and you should end up with something like this.
Now the nice thing about this stock is it adds a mag/cartage system as opposed to the old way, The old way of loading this rifle was 1, hand loading with can be tedious or Stripper clips (below is a stripper clip) This was a system in which the clip was put into a slit in the top of the rifle with the bolt open and pressed down into the rifle (pretty much meaning you always had a round chambered if you had rounds in it)
The Archangels mag system did away with the stripper clips However this mag system had a lot of problems, You had a choice of either a 5 round mag or 10 round mag, A 5 round Mag came with the stock but i also ordered two 10 rounds as well, All of which had the same problem, the would not lock into the stock causing miss feeds left and right, (thay also had a plastic collapsing problem but my mags Did not have it) I looked all over youtube and did not find anything to fix it, So I took the 5 round mag and tried filing down the nub that the pin in the stock locks into, success The mag not snaps into place and feeds perfect.
This is how my gun sits now And I'll list below it the things I'm waiting on
#1. I ordered this as to not interfere with the scope I ordered its a bent bolt conversion (not even needed now that i have changed the way I'm mounting the scope)
#3. I was one of the lucky ones as to not have y rear sight on my Mosin Soldered down So after kicking it off i reached the dovetail and ordered this http://www.ebay.com/itm/271...id=p3984.m1497.l2649
I'll be adding more as i progress, Right now the gun is all stripped down awating its new parts
My rear sight was soldered on but a cutoff wheel made short work of it. Im using the same style scope mout but eventually ill drill and tap for the rock solid and put a rifle scop o. It
My rear sight was soldered on but a cutoff wheel made short work of it. Im using the same style scope mout but eventually ill drill and tap for the rock solid and put a rifle scop o. It
How is that scope mount? I've read the review's on it and that was what I based my purchase off of. It looks pretty solid.
My rear sight was soldered on but a cutoff wheel made short work of it. Im using the same style scope mout but eventually ill drill and tap for the rock solid and put a rifle scop o. It
Went a different rout for the scope mount. The 1st one I got was bulky and also very cheap So I went with the bull's eye express mount which sits on there beautifully ( found that my iron sights were not soldered onto the gun) As for the scope I'm using a NcStar 3-9x40 which seems to be a well built sight, have not shot it yet with the sight. Also got the bent bolt back and finally ordered one of the forend weaver rail for the gun along with a bipod. Now just bear in mind any of you who do a bent bolt conversion to your nagant with the archangel conversion there will need to be some dermal work done to the side of your stock so it gets a proper seat but nothing a fiero owner could not handle. I'll post up some pics later.
Looks like an awful lot of eye relief for a scope that works with ~3" of eye relief, looks like you have almost 10-12" with that setup. I doubt that scope will even give you a sight picture at that distance?
Be interesting hearing your range report when you get out to shoot it . . .
Looks like an awful lot of eye relief for a scope that works with ~3" of eye relief, looks like you have almost 10-12" with that setup. I doubt that scope will even give you a sight picture at that distance?
Be interesting hearing your range report when you get out to shoot it . . .
I'm anxious to try it out to, im also curious to see how the scope works with it to.. still kinda on the fence about it
most people that run thim on the rear sight dovetail run long eye relif scopes i think thats what he got if its the same that i have it will work fine at 10 inches or so
heres mine with the same scope setup but a boyds walnut stock and a bent bolt i also shortened the barrel to 21 ish inches and threaded it, eventualy if i can get two trigger guards cheap id like to make a 10 round internal mag for it just to mess with
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I had this ultra ugly post created. I deleted. Did you just spend $300 on a $100 gun?
Am I the only guy who bought 20 Mosin Nagants and dozens of cases of ammo because its affordability? Next thing you know I'll be the only person who has more 7.62x39 rounds than they do dollars in retirement.
I had this ultra ugly post created. I deleted. Did you just spend $300 on a $100 gun?
Am I the only guy who bought 20 Mosin Nagants and dozens of cases of ammo because its affordability? Next thing you know I'll be the only person who has more 7.62x39 rounds than they do dollars in retirement.
Umm, the Mosin uses 7.62x54, 7.62x39 is SKS and AK. If you bought a bunch of 7.62x39 your going to need to get some rifles to go with it. Or maybe you bought 7.62x54 and just typed the wrong size? There is a pretty decent difference in the rounds physical size.
But yeah, I wouldn't spend $300 on a stock for mine. I might buy one of the ATI Monte Carlo stocks for it, those can be had for under $90 shipped. But only to modernize it's appearance and make it easier to use for hunting. The Mosin is a very accurate gun so it makes a great hunting rifle. The ATI stock has a butt pad to help with recoil. I'd buy one of the butt pads that can be used with the existig stock but I don't want to add that much to it's already long overall length.
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The Archangel Stock does quite a bit for the gun. For one I love the magazine addition to the gun. it lets out have the gun loaded but not chambered. it evenly distributes the weight of the gun rather than all the weight being toward the back of it, I ordered a muzzle suppressor for it as well to finish the gun, im really looking forward to shooting it this summer.
I had this ultra ugly post created. I deleted. Did you just spend $300 on a $100 gun?
Am I the only guy who bought 20 Mosin Nagants and dozens of cases of ammo because its affordability? Next thing you know I'll be the only person who has more 7.62x39 rounds than they do dollars in retirement.
The gun was given to me as payment for towing a car from MD to PA, I liked it and liked the way it fired but I did my research on the gun and the archangel conversion is supposed to turn it into a whole different animal. on top of that its a really sharp looking gun.
i spent 89 on the rifle 75 on the stock 40 on this scope and mount and a can of spray paint, and i bent and welded the bolt myself, so i dont think im to bad, i do plan on the rock solid mount thats 100 and i have a scope for that already, im not a purist so spending alittle here and there on the ugly iron isnt gonna bother me
Umm, the Mosin uses 7.62x54, 7.62x39 is SKS and AK. If you bought a bunch of 7.62x39 your going to need to get some rifles to go with it. Or maybe you bought 7.62x54 and just typed the wrong size? There is a pretty decent difference in the rounds physical size.
But yeah, I wouldn't spend $300 on a stock for mine. I might buy one of the ATI Monte Carlo stocks for it, those can be had for under $90 shipped. But only to modernize it's appearance and make it easier to use for hunting. The Mosin is a very accurate gun so it makes a great hunting rifle. The ATI stock has a butt pad to help with recoil. I'd buy one of the butt pads that can be used with the existig stock but I don't want to add that much to it's already long overall length.
No. I typed the right thing. AK is a way better shooter than the Nagant.
CrazyDragn and I went to the range today and we shot his Mosin Nagant. Another guy arrived a little later and he had one like yours. It was all decked out with the Archangel stock and bi-pod. He had several 10-round magazines for it. It was a really cool set-up! We didn't have any stripper clips so we were loading one round at a time from the top. It looked very convenient to be able to just pop in a 10-rounder and shoot away! Now I want one!
Originally posted by pontiackid86: Went a different rout for the scope mount. The 1st one I got was bulky and also very cheap So I went with the bull's eye express mount which sits on there beautifully ( found that my iron sights were not soldered onto the gun) As for the scope I'm using a NcStar 3-9x40 which seems to be a well built sight, have not shot it yet with the sight.
Is that a long eye relief scope? If it's a standard rifle scope, it won't work.
I like the idea of having a magazine system. From the trigger back though, I don't care for the styling. It'd be nice to have an option that had the mag system with a more conventional butt style like on the Monte Carlo stock.
Here's what I have so far I was finally able to score a forend rail to mount a bipod. Cant wait to go shoot it
If you've haven't gotten to shoot your rifle there is a free range in Warwick Pa outside the state game lands on Laurel Ln off of rte 345. They have concrete benches with 100 yard and I think 25 for pistol.
If you've haven't gotten to shoot your rifle there is a free range in Warwick Pa outside the state game lands on Laurel Ln off of rte 345. They have concrete benches with 100 yard and I think 25 for pistol.
Where is good place to find one of these? What should I expect to pay these days? Are the Polish built M44s available?
Check your local firearms retailers and Big 5's if you have them. I got mine at Cabella's but Impact Guns here also has them and Big 5 does from time to time also. I got mine for $150 in really nice condition. I've seen them as low as $130 and as high as $500 for the sniper scoped with bent bolt version. I'm not sure about the M44, around here all I remember seeing is the M91. Isn't the M44 essentially the same thing with a shorter barrel?
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Where is good place to find one of these? What should I expect to pay these days? Are the Polish built M44s available?
It depends, the M91/30's from what I was told are not being imported anymore But they were imported here by the crate of 20 So there is still a ton out there. Last one I saw at a gun show was $160 for a round receiver and $210 for a Hex cosmolene cleaned... If your going to do this conversion do it to a round receiver as from what I was told doing It to a hex is like a fart in church and The iron sight is always soldered onto the dove tail and they more or less all shoot the same. gun shows are almost certain to have one sometimes gun shops get them in.... Very rarely you can get one out of the crate for $100 but you have to clean it up.
Ah. Well let us know when you do, I really like the look of what you've done.
I love the look of it, I like wood stocked guns but this conversion brought something that looks like a huting rifle to something that just looks sinister
Originally posted by pontiackid86: I love the look of it, I like wood stocked guns but this conversion brought something that looks like a huting rifle to something that just looks sinister
I was finally able to score a forend rail to mount a bipod. Cant wait to go shoot it
