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dozol's build thread "FIERO REBORN" by dozol
Started on: 10-25-2007 06:54 PM
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Report this Post11-08-2007 08:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dozolClick Here to visit dozol's HomePageClick Here to Email dozolSend a Private Message to dozolEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
hey !

I know we are not using stock camshaft. Craig will have to help here with details.

Heads will be shaved to bump up the compression.

Rockers i believe will remain stock unless we decide otherwise.

Heads will be ported and polished.

As for the exhaust, I dont know the specifics, it will be a true dual exhaust.

Craig should chime in soon to verify what i just said.

dominik



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Originally posted by m0sh_man:

by going carb your probably going to have 180-190HP depending on other mods your doing, definatly better than the stock intake.

the 4 speed from a 85-86 v6 car is 3.65 ratio

things ill need to know to give you a "fair" horsepower analysis would be:

what cam are you using?
what compression ratio your pistons are
stock rockers, or roller rockers?
i already saw your adding headers so that will help alot, id recommend 2.25" exhaust
are the heads and intake going to be ported?

need to know what exactly is being done to the engine.

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We are going with the crane 272 cam, crane gold roller rockers. The pistons are forged flattop with a 9.5:1 compression ratio. The heads are going to be ported and polished along with the intake. The headers and exhaust will be fabricated by me, and 2 1/4 pipes are going to be used. The trans is a 85 3.65 ratio that has been redone. I am hoping to achive around a 210 to 220 hp with 103 octane gas and some fine tuning, But we should achieve at least 200 on pump gas. The dyno will tell the results when it is all said and done.

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thanks Craig for the explonation.
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Originally posted by dozol:

thanks Craig for the explonation.


No problem. Inquiring minds need to know
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ill guess your going to be right around your horsepower goal then, +/- 10 HP or so, one of the good things is that 80% of the stuff your doing will swap over to a 3.4L if you ever decide you want alittle more power and low end torque, the shortblock with the updated pistons are the onlything that wont swap over

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Originally posted by m0sh_man:

ill guess your going to be right around your horsepower goal then, +/- 10 HP or so, one of the good things is that 80% of the stuff your doing will swap over to a 3.4L if you ever decide you want alittle more power and low end torque, the shortblock with the updated pistons are the onlything that wont swap over

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I went into this project with the idea of being able to reuse the majority of these components on a 3.4 block in the future if he wanted to. I would really like to see this car with a 350 in it, but I think I scared him out of that idea when I took him for a test drive in my 84 350. What do you say Dominik, are you up for a 350?
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lol I dont think i could handle a 350. Right now im driving 130hp Focus. Well there is a quite a difference between 130 and 450 hp.

We didnt even get to the 4th gear ! I must say it felt really nice but i dont think you floored it Craig, did you?

When i started the project i just wanted to replace the tranny, then I wanted a rebuilt 2.8, now its giong to be a carburated heavily modded 2.8 with estimated 200hp.

For past 3 and a half years my dream was to have a Fiero which would be reliable. I did not care

if it was fast, I just wanted to enjoy it.

Now my dream is slowly coming true and additionally another dream might happen. I might beat my friend's 07 Civic Si.

The second isnt really that important but still i cant wait.....

dominik

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Not quite 450hp I wish it was 450 rwhp But no, I did not have it to the floor. I was about half throttle. Maybe next time you stop by we can try and hit 4th gear.

I hope to have the cradle painted this weekend. In between my road trips that is.
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lol maybe i shouldnt experience the power your 84 has. I dont want MY car to feel slow when it is done

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Hey Guys

I just ordered some parts from Jegs.

That would be: Performer Intake Manifold Base
Performer Intake Manifold Top
Max Pressure Regulator
Throttle Bracket with Return Springs

Those should arrive Friday.

I am also searching for a good clutch. I am not looking for a performance one because i am not planning on racing a car........ a lot
Stock will do for a while. So i did some research and this is what i came up with.

Please tell me if you have any experience with any of these. Note is it a 4 speed.

$ 55
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

$ 80
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

$ 140 doesnt say if its a 4 speed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

$ 135
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

There are plenty here:
http://www.autopartswarehou...lutch_kit~parts.html

In the Fierostore there is a stock one for 170 bucks.

So what say you??

I am planning on spending less than 200 bucks.

thanks !

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sorry guys........gotta bump it to the top

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Hey Guys

Since when Santa comes in the middle of November and drives a brown truck?!
Jegs stuff arrived. Ordered on 14th, got it on the 16th. Awesome !








i bought the clutch from Rockauto, should arrive soon.....

what do you guys think?

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I'm building this engine and I am always the last to know that Santa came early.

Looks good Dominik. It will look even better when it is installed on the engine.
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i might lack some inteligence but i dont get something here.

The carburator will be mounted on the top intake right?

So the fuel will be sprayed through the top, base intake and heads to the chamber?

i might have to look at howstuffworks.com heheheh

excuse my ignorance

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I think that this will be a really nice fiero when you are done. I am anticipating seeing the whole thing put together. good luck!
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clutch will be arriving on November 21st.

BECK/ARNLEY Part # 0616020
4 Speed Manual Transaxle;232mm Diameter;1 Per Car
Clutch Set, 232mm Diameter;9-1/8" Diameter;14 Splines;4 Speed Manual Transaxle;1 Per Car


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updates ! updates ! updates !

purple and purple and some more purple









wires??? who needs wires?? its all wireless now !!!!!!!!!


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looks really good Dominik! I am excited to see the finished product
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updates again !!!!!!!!!!!!

I received the clutch from rockauto.
Whosaler Closeout --- 67 bucks shipped. What a deal.
now my favorite, pics








hopefully it will work ok, the disc looks solid, but what do i know.

what do you guys think??

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That don't look like the right disc Dominik.
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in the description it said 4 speed v6 fiero,
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ok I did some measurments...

there are 14 splindes

but.................

the disc is 9 inches long not 9 1/8.
here are some pictures...

that one came out a little blurry




please tell me it will work fine.............

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ok after reading through 60 pages in Search i cant find the answer.

The clutch disc is 8 7/8''

The pressure plate is 9 1/8''

Will this disc perform ok with that pressure plate?

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anyone?
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It will work, but it will not uphold very well. Send it back and get the right disc. The 8 7/8 disc was used in the 84 4 cylinder application and maybe other 4 cylinder applications, but not in the 6 cylinder. They were a 9 1/8 disc.

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Hey guys

here are some updates....

I shipped back the clutch, supposedly it was misboxed.
Also i ordered harmonic balancer, front engine mount, 2 gauge pillar and head bolts from fiero store.
Need to buy list is getting smaller

Over the weekend Craid sanded down the cradle and primered it





also.....
new thing was discovered.....





i have no idea how that happened but well....... as long as it's fixable

We are getting closer and closer. I cant wait to drive it for the first time. I also love that i will be able to say that it has a "stock" modded 2.8. It will be carbed which also is a unique for this engine (i think).

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Hello Guys, i have to wake that thread up a little.

I received the clutch from rockauto, this time it is 9 1/8''




I also got the package from Fiero Store
That would be..

harmonic balancer


head bolts
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front motor mount

and a-pillar dual gauge pod


Everything is going well so far. Next, the engine will be mounted on the cradle, the tranny might get some paint. What do you guys say??? purple???

more to come

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I'm sorry but i have to update the thread

Do you guys think these with some of Creig's magic would fit my V6?

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wow fabbing v8 headers to v6. I think the cost would out weigh the ups. I would just buy the ones from the fiero store such but thats my opinion. If i recall those headers were for sale because they wouldn't fit a v8 fiero without major mods.
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wow fabbing v8 headers to v6. I think the cost would out weigh the ups. I would just buy the ones from the fiero store such but thats my opinion. If i recall those headers were for sale because they wouldn't fit a v8 fiero without major mods.


Your right, they were for sale. I was the one that had them for sale. I am removing one of the tubes and reworking 2 of the other tubes. The tube that is getting removed will have something special in place of where it used to be. Anybody want to take a quess at what it might be? You have to think old school.

Post some pics of the headers progress Dominik.

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pics pics pics.










lol i will have fabbed V8 headers on my V6

great job Craig !


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Very interesting ... hey I'm not old enough to think old school so what's up with the extra tube? Lol.

Say could you guys make a list of parts and cost? I'm curious to see what it'll end up costing vs what you get out of it. BTW prostreet you take some good pics!
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VALEO CLUTCH hmmmmmmmmm..................... over here in europe i would never ever buy stuff from Valeo this is the biggest crap if ever seen in my 13 years of master professional life .
Hope for you it will last long .............good luck with it !!!
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And it was cheap also. I wanted a stock clutch for now because I am not planning on racing it or driving it (very) hard.
We will see how it performs, I guess iI will learn from my mistake if it turns out to be a piece of crap.
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Very interesting ... hey I'm not old enough to think old school so what's up with the extra tube? Lol.

Say could you guys make a list of parts and cost? I'm curious to see what it'll end up costing vs what you get out of it. BTW prostreet you take some good pics!


Thanks for the compliment. Here is a preview of what the 4th tube will be used for. What do you think?

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lol i think i might finally have a chance to use that fire extinguisher that has been sitting for years in the trunk.

Here is the picture of my new carb and the braided steel hose kit.


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Thats real cool with the headers my compliments. That mod might very well flow better than the fiero store since they look to be longer. Either way you will have a one of a kind header setup.
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Really impressed, i can't wait to see it finished!

And craig, i see the picture for what the extra tube is for, the flame coming out . But what exactly is it for? lol
Either way amazing job fabricating the headers to fit!

Keep the pictures coming Dominik

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Is that what you are talking about Craig?




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