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How to convert 7+1 Hall effect Dual Sync distributor to run on Cadillac 4.5/4.9 motor by 81 4.9L X-11
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Report this Post10-22-2025 08:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 81 4.9L X-11Send a Private Message to 81 4.9L X-11Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey everyone,

I’ve been running my 4.5 Caddy swap using a modified Ford 7+1 Duraspark 2 distributor without issue, so I figured I’d do a step by step build thread on how to do the mods.

The Duraspark 2 is an OEM version of the 7+1 Dual Sync distributors that most after market fuel injection companies use/prefer for MPFI. I did this mod to make it possible to run after market EFI systems on Cadillac 4.5/4.9 motors so swapping cams, adding turbo or nitrous is not just possible, but relatively easy. I ran a modified HEI distributor before figuring out this mod, and can say this is a better setup = it runs better and timing is more accurate.

Why do you need a Dual Sync? To run multiport injection sequentially to achieve the best combo of power and efficiency. Here’s Holley’s article https://www.holley.com/blog...en_do_you_need_one_/

I am a fan of Aces EFI, it is DIY budget friendly and high quality. I worked on this mod to use their standalone multiport (Wild Card) system on a future 4.9 build. It comes with a wideband O2, 3-bar MAP for boost and is self-tuning (still requires configuration). Holley and others have similar systems, so you have your choice there, this mod should work with all of them.

If you look, the aftermarket Dual Sync distributors are a bit pricey, but the Ford units can be had for under $100 on Rockauto or Amazon. I’m all about the best bang for the buck, so here’s how to make/ mod one yourself.


What you need:

Cadillac 4.X distributor gear (cheapest to pull off used one)

Distributor for 1990 Mustang 5.0 (other years should work provided it is for small block Ford only)

Hammer

1/8” punch

3/16” punch

3/8 – 5/8” chisel (size of this is not critical)

Angle grinder with cut off wheel (or another way to cut distributor shaft)

3/16” drill bit

3/8” drill bit

Drill guide https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._dt_b_fed_asin_title

Drill press or large vise and hand drill

.525 and .531 ream bits (or take down to local machine shop)

Section of 40mm OD 38 mm ID aluminum tubing/ pipe

Remote mount coil and coil to cap wire

Optional – 1990 Mustang ignition module and pig tail connector or your own wiring solution – I’ll show both.

Safety glasses and gloves, don’t hurt yourself and don’t sue me! LoL


Comparison pics – the most important dimension is the depth of the distributor gear. The second pic shows a finished mod sat apposed to a stock Cadillac distributor to show the same length between the top of gear teeth and base that mounts to the engine block – this determines how far it sits in the block on top of oil pump shaft.





Setup: Measure the distance between the Cadillac mounting flange to the top of the gear teeth and write it down for use later. If you want this to go smoothly, order this drill guide: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._dt_b_fed_asin_title







Step 1: (Skip if you bought a gear by itself)

Remove gear from Cadillac distributor using 3/16” punch and hammer (brace it so the gear is supported). Keep the 3/16” roll pin and gear, the rest of the Cadillac distributor is not used.





Step 2: Recommend using local machine shop, it should cost @$30.

Ream the center bore of the distributor gear using a .531 reaming bit. It is best to start with a smaller bit and work up – I used .525 first then .531. Standard drill bits are not advised because the lower half the gear is hex shaped for mounting on to the oil pump shaft, and the drill bit tip would cut into that area.


Step 3:

Remove gear from Ford distributor using 1/8” punch and hammer (brace it so the gear is supported). Discard the 1/8” roll pin and gear.





Step 4:

Use angle grinder and cut just below the roll pin hole.






Step 5:

Grind or debur the edge of shaft (angle grinder or file).





Step 6: The Hot Rod Gods have blessed us, the distance on the drill guide (3/16") listed above is perfect to line up the Caddy distributor gear – I highly recommend getting it, if you did skip to step 7.

If you’re a sadist &/or a perfectionist, use the measured distance between then Cadillac mounting flange to the top of the gear teeth and set the gear to mark shaft to drill.






Step 7:

Setup distributor shaft in a brace on drill press with 3/16” drill bit. Ensure drill guide and shaft are clamped securely, use oil and drill slowly. Clean when done.











Step 8:

Use 3/8” drill bit to debur and chamfer the 3/16 hole for the roll pin. Clean when done.





Step 9: (pics may seem out of order, but you have to do the sleeve before the gear or you will be taking the gear off unnecessarily).

Remove distributor O-ring from groove and move up to the mounting flange. Set the aluminum pipe next to the housing and mark just above the lowest flange on both sides.







Step 10:

Slide the pipe over the lower housing, and smack with chisel/ hammer on the marks. This is all that is needed to ensure the pipe/ sleeve does not slide down into the block. Note the location of the upper stop on the shaft – if this is covered, then the sleeve would have to be cut in order to access the stop/ to pull the shaft to service or replace pick up sensor.










Step 11:

Install reamed Cadillac gear onto Ford distributor shaft using 3/16” roll pin and punch.





Step 12:

Install ignition module and/or wiring option of choice. If using the Ford ignition module, it will only function as a passthrough for power, ground and the pick up signal. Since the other wires are not used and it is not controlling timing as it would in a Ford, it shouldn’t fail – I used it to secure the connections.






Some photos installed to show gear engagement and in running swap:





















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Dude!!! Where have you been?!

Post pics of the V8 Push Me / Pull Me!


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Report this Post10-23-2025 12:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 81 4.9L X-11Send a Private Message to 81 4.9L X-11Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey man,

I’ve been busy! 😆 I’ll give you a call later to catch up.

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Love it. Great Work.
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Report this Post10-31-2025 01:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This is an interesting article,very detailed and workable. As an owner of one 4.9L Cadillac engine swapped Fiero I just don't understand the benefits and why this modification is needed. New distributors for the 4.9L Cadillac engine are available and work well. Does this modification provide more than using a stock distributor?

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You need this when running an Aces EFI system, with spark control. Aces requires a specific Distributer for their timing and fuel control. GM HEI is not it.
They offer distributers for SBC, Mopar, SBF, etc. They don't offer one for the Cadillac engine.

The Aces system is easier to tune, as you can tune it right on the handheld, and can auto-tune with its WBO2. That's why someone would want it of the 4.5TBI unit.
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Love it. Great Work.


Thanks man!
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If your 4.9 swap runs well and you're happy with it, you don't need this mod.

If you have a 4.9 swap that struggles with idle when AC is on or you want to swap a 4.9 without the frustration and restrictions of a Caddy ECM, or you want to modify / use power adders (cam, turbo, NOS, etc) the stock ECM is like a boss's automatic "No" button. This mod is the key to using aftermarket EFI systems, because none of them support the Caddy 4.X platform. As FieroWannaBe pointed out, for the Aces systems, most adjustments can be made through the supplied handheld or app with bluetooth module. To me, this is worth not having to deal with UV Eproms or chips adapters, etc to make OEM ECM work mediocre at best (this was the only option when I did my first swap). In addition to that, the self learning features make aftermarket EFI a great option for novice and DIY'rs.

To clarify, you do not need this mod to run the Aces TBI unit (Deuces Wild), the HEI input works fine. I used it on my TBI swap for R&D/ proof of concept, but found it runs better given the type of input to the ECM. For a TBI swap; if the mechanicals, fuel and fluids are done - it's wire and fire in an afternoon.

I did this mod to make MPFI sequential injection possible with Aces Wild Card/ Joker systems. The 4.9 and some 4.5s are superior to the 4.5 TBI motors because they are MPFI. Unfortunately that era of ECMs are inferior to what's currently available, especially for modified motors (the last 4.9 was made 30 years ago...)

Short version, if your running a purely stock 4.9 and ok with idle challenges with AC then you'll be ok with a stock ecm setup. If you want easy tuning for power adders, this mod is for you.

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Thanks for the reply. Any issues have been resolved in the ECM by reprograming. I am not saying that the aces conversion doesn't have value it's just that programming has solved most of the odd behavior.
Also run premium 94 octane gasoline and added a few degrees of timing which seems to add a few more horsepower..IMO with the 4T60e using an aftermarket ECM might prove difficult We would be programming from scratch.

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