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REVIEW: TFS Center Console Skeleton {Support/Frame} w/ Machine Screws & Brass Inserts by Vintage-Nut
Started on: 09-29-2025 12:58 AM
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Countless members had been dealing with cracked console frames by ‘gluing’ the plastic pieces back or other methods for a long, long time….

In 2022, member mmeyer86gt/gtp posted a 3D Printed Skeleton product listed in ‘The Mall’ and the five-piece set was $240 plus shipping:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/079946.html

However, the last post in the thread was 2023, so in 2025 I inquired the current price for the kit...

Alas, mmeyer86gt/gtp informed me that he now sells the standard sets to ‘The Fiero Store’ though he is still agreeable to making custom kits on PFF.

Consequently, I ordered the five-piece set through TFS early on a Monday.


TFS printed the shipping label the same day; UPS picked-up the package on Tuesday and I got it on the next Monday.

The parts were bubble-wrapped and as I unpacked the kit, of course I noticed the improved machine screws into brass inserts, plus the ABS plastic was thicker/stronger than the OEM frame.

The kit also included a bag of hardware devoid of any printed materials:
29) Stainless-Steel 7mm hex-head machine screws {M5-0.8x10mm} with 2 extras
2) Black Oxide Steel 3mm hex socket-head machine screws {M4-0.7x15mm}
18) Plastic female push-in connections {2 extras}
23) Plastic male push-in connections {7 extras}
5) 4-inch tie-wraps {1 extra}


Trial Run Prior Assembling

Part #1: Main Console
I noticed that the main console piece didn’t have any holes for the rear support of the factory radio/tape unit.


I know that many members ‘ditch’ the 1980’s OEM head unit; however, I got the original Delco unit serviced.

Thus, the next move for me was to install the head unit into the new console so I can position ‘where’ I need to drill and fasten the rear support.

Issue #1
The Delco rack mounting ear holes didn’t align with the new console brass inserts.


Measuring the OEM to the new 3D copy, four brass insert locations were off.


The only option was to file the rack ear holes to match with the brass insert locations. Once done; the issue was solved.


With the radio installed in the console, I mounted the rear support, drilled the holes and then fastened it with M4 screws, washers and flange nuts.


I verified the brass insert locations with the six holes of the console-to-vent support plate and they fitted nicely. The two included M4-0.7 machine screws mates with the smaller brass inserts to hold the bottom of the main Vent/HVAC/Radio trim panel, although you’ll need to use your hardware on the top.


These new machine screws in the bottom are socket-heads while the factory used Torx head screws. *Picky me wants four screws in the same ‘type’ so I’ll search to see if I can locate either/or….

The last insert locations to check in the main console part were the climate control unit mounting holes…

*SIDEBAR: R&R of the Climate Control Unit*
IMHO: Removal and reinstallation of the unit aren’t ‘easy’ tasks, and I make a decision to circumvent this irritating difficulty…

The center plastic ‘bar’ which divides the HVAC and the radio openings was cracked on the OEM console. This allowed me to pull the factory skeleton out without disconnecting the unit.

To install the new 3D console, I choose to cut-out the center support, leaving one larger opening which allows the unit in/out without reconnecting or disconnecting it.


In my assessment, this beneficial feature is more valuable than having the extra strength.
*End of Sidebar*

Issue #2
When I attempted to install the main console to the vent opening, the right console ‘tab’ was too large to fully insert into the slot. The tab was 0.4 inch wide while the vent slot was 0.38 inch wide. I trimmed the tab to fit the slot which solved the issue.


Going back of verifying the HVAC mounting screw holes with the main console brass inserts…

Issue #3
The left HVAC mounting screw holes are slotted and the M5 screws fit; however, the right mounting hole was too small for the new screw. Using #8 drill bit {0.199 inch} and enlarging the hole solved the issue.


Part #2: Main Console Pad / Shift Plate
The three lower main console pad holes aligned correctly, but the four holes in the ash tray area of the shift plate didn’t. The OEM frame measured around the same; so perhaps my shift plate assembly might be distorted, and I will deal with it later...


Part #3: Shifter Trim and Rear Console Pad
Issue #4
Using the right-hand round mounting hole of the shifter trim, the left-hand slotted holes didn’t align with the brass inserts.
Same on the rear console pad; the mounting slots didn’t align either.


Measuring the OEM to the new 3D copy, five brass insert locations were off…


The only way out is to enlarge the slots to bring them into line with the inserts and add fender washers for more support.

Part #4: Assembly Line Diagnostic Link
The ALDL connecter mounting holes aligned with the brass inserts and this is the end of the trial run.

Some Assembly Required

I presume an individual might build this five-piece skeleton as one frame like the OEM, and then install the completed unit in the vehicle.

However, in my review, I preferred an ‘easier’ method by installing Part #1; then Part #2 and followed up with the last three parts as an assembly.

The Pontiac Fiero Service Manual has a center console section and I edited this GM illustration for my technique as a guide.
{Please note that the illustration shows the ‘standard’ version lacking the optional voltmeter and oil pressure gauge}


Start with Part #1 and install the console-to-vent support plate with four of the included 7mm hex-head machine screws. {1 in GM illustration}


Align the main console tabs into the vent slots of the dash and install your hardware to hold the plate in place. {2 in GM illustration}
*For the optional voltmeter / oil pressure gauge; install only the bottom two screws instead of the four shown in the GM illustration.


Align the bottom holes of Part #1 with the plastic upper floor plate holes and then secure them with two of the included plastic M/F push-in connections. {3 in GM illustration}


Remove the tunnel bracket from the vehicle if it is not removed already.


Loosely install the tunnel bracket beneath of Part #2 with your hardware. {4 in GM illustration}


Position Part #2 on the tunnel and next to Part #1, and then verify that the tunnel bracket slots beneath of Part #2 line up to the tunnel threaded holes.


*Special Note 1*
When I removed my tunnel bracket from the tunnel, the side-to-side slots were maxed rearward, and the forward-to-rear slots were also maxed to the rear.
Alas, I didn’t get the factory threaded tunnel holes to line up with the bracket when installed below Part #2.
I ended-up drilling and threading new holes to align correctly with the new part.


Remove Part #2 from the vehicle; remove the tunnel bracket from beneath and then reinstall the bracket loosely on the tunnel using your hardware. {5 in GM illustration}
*I added 1/8”x3/4” fender washers on the screws as the bracket slots were wider than the factory hardware.


Install Part #2 on top of the tunnel bracket, and then loosely install your hardware through the slots and into the bracket. {4 in GM illustration}
*Again, I added 1/8”x3/4” fender washers on the factory screws for more support.


Align the plastic upper floor plate holes with Part #2 and secure them using two of the included plastic M/F push-in connections. {6 in GM illustration}


Align the three holes in Part #2 with Part #1 and then secure them with three of the included plastic M/F push-in connections.


Align the main console pad pin holes in Part #2 and Part #1 {I used tapered tools to align and hold the holes} and then secure the tunnel bracket hardware. {4 and 5 in GM illustration}


On a work surface, Part #3 gets connected to Part #4 with the included tie-wraps through slots of both parts.
However, the left side on my assembly didn’t align properly.


Issue #5
The right ‘tab’ on Part #3 measured 1.20 inch; the left ‘tab’ measured 1.23 inch.
By removing 0.03 inch off of the top of the left tab; the align problem was solved.


When fastening the tie-wraps through Parts #3 and #4; observe that the tie-wrap heads are better inside to make the outside surface flusher.


Align the three holes in Part #4 with Part # 5, and then secure them with three of the included plastic M/F push-in connections.


Position the completed 3-4-5 assembly on the tunnel with Part #3 facing and abutting of Part #2 making sure that your shifter bracket is adjacent to the back of the mounting ‘tab’ of Part #3.
*If not; gently ‘bend’ the bracket as needed.


*Special Note 2*
When ‘tweaking’ my manual shifter bracket, I discovered a GM design error which is also on the 3D Copy.

Fiero shifter brackets have ‘raised edges’ around the threaded clip, which the plastic frame must lay flat on the clip.
Note that the raised edges on the manual are elevated more than the automatic edges and these brackets were riveted on the shifter bases.


The GM design attempted to mitigate these raised edges at the console frame; though the difference of the two planes is ~0.05-inch apart, while the manual edges are ~0.2-inch high.

Conversely, the back of the 3D Copy has one flat surface.


As a result, these raised edges on the auto/manual brackets contacts the back of the mounting area in Part #3 BEFORE the plastic can meet on the shifter bracket clip. With an empty space between the plastic and clip; the mounting screw is capable to distort the plastic or break the tab when securing the hardware.

To eliminate this void, a spacer {i.e. washers} is needed between the plastic and the clip OR completely removed the raised edges around the connection. I decided the latter as my recent shifter assembly rebuilt made removing the bracket simple.


Hence, I removed the shifter bracket from the base; put it in a vise and then filed off the raised edges. With these edges gone, the back of Part #3 can now lay flat on the bracket clip. Later, the joint can be secured tightly without cracking the new skeleton.


IF you leave this situation ‘as-is’, my suggestion is leaving out the screw OR least don’t tighten the hardware too much as your new plastic frame might break at this spot.
*End of Special Note 2*

With the completed 3-4-5 assembly still sitting flat on the tunnel and abutting of Part #2; verify that the tunnel threaded holes beneath the slots of Part #5 lines up.

*My didn’t and needed to drill and thread new holes in the tunnel to align correctly with the slots of Part #5.


Also note that the rear of the factory console support used 0.5-inch length screws while Part #5 has deeper slots to mount on the tunnel. Made sure your extra 0.75-inch length screws will mate with the tunnel threads.


Route the lighter wiring harness under Part #5 and through the opening in Part #4.


Mount the wiring harnesses of the ash tray lighting into the holes under the Part #3, and then to the outbound side of Part #2 between the plastic upper floor plate, next carefully twist the sockets into the mounting holes as the plastic twist-lock ‘tabs’ are small and very old…


Route the power window/mirror wiring connecters {if used} to the center of Part #3 as shown in the last photo.

Align and connect Part #3 with Part #2 with two of the included plastic M/F push-in connections. Afterward, align the last plastic upper floor plate holes to Parts #2 and #3 and secure them with four of the included plastic M/F push-in connections. {7 and 8 in GM illustration}


Install your 0.75-inch screws through the rear slots of Part #5 and tighten them on the tunnel. {9 in GM illustration}
*I added 1/8”x3/4” fender washers on the factory screws for more support.


Install your hardware through the slot of the mounting ‘tab’ of Part #3 into the shifter bracket clip and secure the joint. {10 in GM illustration}
*I added a 1/8”x3/4” fender washer on the factory screw for more support.


Install the four carpet clips on the rear slots of Part #5.
Mount the ALDL connecter on Part #4 using two of the included 7mm hex-head machine screws.


The new center console skeleton/support/frame is complete!


Put Your ‘Stuff’ Back

Reinstall the rear pad; lighter and trim plate; radio; climate control unit; front pad; front trim panel; shifter trim plate and shifter plate using the edited GM illustration below and your manual.


Summing It Up

The 3D reproduction of the center console frame wasn’t plug-and-play, though this review is a single kit which I received from ‘The Fiero Store’.

Noticeably, the main issue of the kit was the inaccurate positions of some brass inserts. The few issues listed required ‘carving’ factory items to alter them on the new skeleton.

As a retired manufacturing engineer, I was not pleased about the situation with any other option than the chances that TFS might have a ‘better’ replacement; which I didn’t make an effort.

I also did not attempt to have a discussion with the creator; as my experience taught me that when sharing positive criticism, very often I got a negative reaction.

On the bright side and taken as a whole, I’m very satisfied with the end result! The product IS superior to the OEM frame with the coarse-thread screw method.

If you’re still on the fence, the kit is highly recommended if your factory console support is falling apart..

If you’re planning to change the factory head unit size, don’t order the ‘standard’ kit from TFS; double-DIN or other custom kits are available on PFF at the link above.

Hopefully, this review might help…

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Under 'Production Refurbishment' @ 136k Miles

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That's a FANTASTIC write up!! Thank you!!!

I ordered this for my daughter's car a long time ago, but when we tore into her interior, her center console didn't have any cracks in it at all (surprising), so we didn't replace it. But this is really good to know. I would love to see this in a PDF.
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Great review, VN!

What is the weight difference between the OEM unit and the multi piece unit?

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Sorry olejoedad, I didn't weight weigh the difference...

However using my hand, I'll guess around 'double' or more between the OEM unit and the multi piece unit.

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Very good review- I know Matt and actually tested the first version on my car...It definitely needed some mods but Matt had asked to have it tested. I think he will be interested in any improvements that he can make.

I will send him an Email and see what he thinks....
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Thanks cvxjet by being the 'middleman'...
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I do appreciate the write up. And i have seen those issues before but i had to pick spacing and hole placement that was closer in line with every year fiero. When skeletons were installed from the factory, they used wood screws for a reason as tolerance from suppliers differed year to year for parts. So, a couple mm here and a couple mm there from a well-used mold didn't show any difference when they originally made. I had to pic placement that was in the middle from all the ones i had seen or tested with. Also the sun and over 40 years we all get a little old or bend or flex. The off location for the zip tie sitting higher could easily be fixed from some support material probably got left from going over the part before shipment. I will make note of making sure that fitment is better. But like you said overall it is a good replacement for our very old cracking skeletons. Always appreciate the input that what makes this group great. If anyone wants to provide criticism i am open for ideas. It takes a lot of time and effort to getting this together and for the fiero store to provide a good product for everyone to get a skeleton and other great thing they provide. At the end of the day, it fits and i know everything in the center portion of the car is now much tighter and more solid than it ever did from the factory and if you have to go back in and do maintenance again that task will now be much easier than it used to be.


These new machine screws in the bottom are socket-heads while the factory used Torx head screws. *Picky me wants four screws in the same ‘type’ so I’ll search to see if I can locate either/or….
!! this will be fixed when the new radio surround comes out with RW upholstery !!

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Thank you for the response and answers as I really understand 'manufacturing' too....

However, I didn't get your last comment on socket-heads vs.Torx head screws:
 
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!! this will be fixed when the new radio surround comes out with RW upholstery !!


Can you please say more?
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im working on a replacement radio surround the top screws that will be provided will have the machine thread screws like the skeleton if you choose to get a new one when they will be produced.
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Thanks for the heads-up!
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