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Wiring Harness problem by Cailibird
Started on: 04-11-2024 10:20 AM
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Hey there I'm having a problem with certain circuits not recieving power. Specifically:

J7 H6 H7 F7 F8 F9 E1 E2 C1 C3 A1

I'm not sure why they aren't receiving power. And im still VERY new to working on cars and I need some help. Do I need to do some rewiring? Do I need to change the harness? What exactly do you guys think the problem could be?

Any help is appreciated
I just want to be able to drive my car again
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Year, Engine, etc?
WTF Plug are you seeing a problem?

No power to Many circuits can be many things... Fuse, fusible links, some switches, etc.

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Report this Post04-11-2024 11:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I can only surmise he is talking about the C500 connector.
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Oh my bad. I forgot to give more details. I haven't been home the past few days but I'll be home tomorrow evening and I'll post a picture.

But it's a 1988 4cyl. Just the standard edition. And the plug im talking about is that little box right next to the battery in the back

Tomorrow evening I'll send you a picture of the harness I'm talking about
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I can only surmise he is talking about the C500 connector.


Yeah that one
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Report this Post04-12-2024 12:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Most of the terminals you listed only have power on an intermittent basis.

If you could describe the problems your car is experiencing, perhaps we can give you some guidance.

Here is a listing of what the C500 has....


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Essentially. The car cranks but won't start.
We thought it was the alternator so that has been replaced. But even after replacing it the car wont start up. And after checking the C500 we found that a lot of the wires aren't getting power. Both at idle and while trying to crank the car.
I've stated which ones aren't getting power which would be

J7 H6 H7 F7 F8 F9 E1 E2 C1 C3 A1

So the car isn't recieving spark in the plugs. So I'm now starting to think it would be the coil pack has gone bad. And we checked the PCM or whatever that thing in between the seats behind the glove box is. And there is a Brown/Black wire that also isn't getting any power both while at idle and while cranking the car.

By "idle" I just mean with the ignition on.

Idk if that helps clear up what could be going on or not
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Most all of the wires you mentioned do not have power unless that particular circuit is turned on.

Forget about them for now.

Did you test all of your fuses?

When you turn the key on, do you hear a click from behind you head, or the fuel pump run for a few seconds?
Do you smell fuel at the throttle body?
If you spray some starting fluid into the throttle body when cranking does the engine fire?

If you pull a spark plug and hook it to the plug wire, then lay the plug on the engine and crank it do you see spark?
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Yes yes and idk. I'll try the starting fluid thing. But yes there is also a spark. It just won't crank. Here give me about an hour and I'll try spraying that fluid to see if the engine fires
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When you say 'it won't crank' does that mean the starter isn't turning the engine over?
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Yeah the engine with turn over. But it just won't fully "run" if that makes sense
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

Yeah the engine with turn over. But it just won't fully "run" if that makes sense


Sorry. I'm not the best at giving details. But yeah it cranks. Turns over. It'll attempt to start but it won't fully get there
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Sounds like the fuel pump. Try spraying starting fluid in the throttle body while having someone crank the car. My guess is it will fire.
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What led up to the current situation?
Has the car set for a while, did it happen while driving, did it happen suddenly or gradually?
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

The car cranks but won't start.
We thought it was the alternator so that has been replaced. But even after replacing it the car wont start up.



How did you come to that conclusion?

 
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So the car isn't recieving spark in the plugs.


 
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But yes there is also a spark. It just won't crank.



 
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

But yeah it cranks.


???

[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 04-12-2024).]

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Forget the starting fluid, it's not going to magically fix you're issue.

Please confirm
Does engine rotate when trying to start.
Did you verify the spark plug has good spark?

Once we clarify the symptoms we might be able to point you in the direction of what the cause is.
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To answer the questions. Number 1.
It happened suddenly. I got home from my girls house and the next morning it just wouldn't start

Number 2.
Its not the fuel pump, you can hear it start when you turn the ignition on

Number 3.
Yes the engine will turn over. I checked the spark the other day and there was spark. But I haven't been able to look today. I won't be able to get to it until Sunday again. And then I'll be able to confirm again.
But as of the last time I checked. Yes there's spark.

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Originally posted by Stingray92:

Forget the starting fluid, it's not going to magically fix you're issue.

Please confirm
Does engine rotate when trying to start.
Did you verify the spark plug has good spark?

Once we clarify the symptoms we might be able to point you in the direction of what the cause is.


No, it won't magically fix his issue, but it will tell if there is a fueling issue.
He has already confirmed that the engine cranks over and there is spark.

As the OP stated, he doesn't know much about cars, or how to explain things.
Did you read his entire posting?

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Let us know what you find out Sunday when you get back to the car.

You should be able to smell gas when you're cranking the engine and it doesn't start.
Pull the air filter off and you should see a spray of gas down into the throttle body.
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Yeah there's a gas smell. Confirmed
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Shoot it with some starting fluid and see if it fires.

If it doesn't, check to see if you have a GOOD spark.

Do you have a way to check fuel pressure?
Do you have a spark checker?
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Shoot it with some starting fluid and see if it fires.

If it doesn't, check to see if you have a GOOD spark.

Do you have a way to check fuel pressure?
Do you have a spark checker?


I tried that on Friday. It didn't do anything.
I might have a weak spark. I don't have a way to check those.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Shoot it with some starting fluid and see if it fires.

If it doesn't, check to see if you have a GOOD spark.

Do you have a way to check fuel pressure?
Do you have a spark checker?


I tried that on Friday. It didn't do anything.
I might have a weak spark. I don't have a way to check those.
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Pulled the plugs. No spark
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I would suggest pulling the coil packs/ignition control module that the coil packs mount to and replace the crankshaft position sensor. It's the tube that goes into the block under the ICM.
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Alright. I once again am going to be away from the car until Tuesday. I'll look to find another while I'm gone though. Thank you for being so helpful
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It was the crank position sensor. Just replaced it and it started on up. Thank you so much man
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The only thing in worried about now is that its blowing white smoke. But I replaced that head gasket already. And the oil looks fine. I'm hoping its because it sat for about a month and a half.
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Thank you for the update.

Glad to help you with your problem.
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