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White smoke coming from the dipstick and oil cap by FieroInFlames
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Not sure what to do or where to start. Car runs fine, starts up right away, and I don't feel like there's any loss of power. Had some suggestions from the subreddit that it's a bad exhaust mainfold gasket, a valve cover leak, or blow by. Can anyone help me diagnose the problem? I attached an imgur link at the top with a video of the engine smoking.
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I am going to say run a compression test. That looks like all sorts of head gasket to me.
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Originally posted by skywurz:

I am going to say run a compression test. That looks like all sorts of head gasket to me.


I can find people discussing the results of their compression tests all over the internet, but I can't find a guide on it. Would it be in the haynes manual and do a need that little gauge thing actually do it?
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You need the guage. If it's a small leak you may not detect it with this method. I suspect you have a combustion chamber to oil jacket leak. The smoke you see is exhaust entering the oil jacket side of the engine. When this happens on the coolant side you can do a leak down test to confirm.

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I think you are experiencing #2 in this list
https://haynes.com/en-us/ti...head-gasket-can-fail
I've personally seen and worked on 5 out of 7 in that list. I've yet to see oil or coolant to outside.. but probably will eventually.

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Might be a good idea to also pressurize the cooling system. If it doesn't hold pressure then its most likely a head gasket problem. White smoke is usually steam.

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Originally posted by FieroInFlames:

I attached an imgur link at the top with a video of the engine smoking.


That's gotta be one of the crappiest ways of posting a video. First, shoot video in the correct orientation, not in portrait/vertical video mode. Then upload it to YouTube, where you then can easily embed the videos in your posts here.

In regards to your issue, check that the PCV system is operating properly. Otherwise, pressure in the crankcase builds up and it tries to escape anywhere it can. Make sure the PCV valve isn't sticking, or better yet, just replace the valve. It's inexpensive.

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Originally posted by Patrick:

That's gotta be one of the crappiest ways of posting a video. First, shoot video in the correct orientation, not in portrait/vertical video mode. Then upload it to YouTube, where you then can easily embed the videos in your posts here.

In regards to your issue, check that the PCV system is operating properly. Otherwise, pressure in the crankcase builds up and it tries to escape anywhere it can. Make sure the PCV valve isn't sticking, or better yet, just replace the valve. It's inexpensive.



The only reason I disagree with PVC is from a different video he didn't share here where there's smoke puffing out of the dipstick tube with the dipstick still installed. (He said he posted in Reddit and thought id see what advice he got over there i did this before my initial comment)

WARNING! Portrait Video
https://www.reddit.com/r/fi...l_me_this_is_normal/


Edit:

Also this rear line that has no check valve and is under constant vacuum while running.

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Originally posted by skywurz:

The only reason I disagree with PVC is...


I disagree with PVC as well... because it's PCV.

 
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Also this rear line that has no check valve and is under constant vacuum while running.

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That tube is the air supply for the PCV system. If the PCV valve isn't stuck shut, yes, that tube is normally under vacuum. However, under certain engine conditions, crankcase pressure is temporarily forced to go the other way (into the air snorkel)... and if the PCV valve is stuck shut, then built up crankcase pressure is constantly being pushed out into the snorkel... and out anywhere else it can escape.
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Originally posted by Patrick:

That tube is the air supply for the PCV system. If the PCV valve isn't stuck shut, yes, that tube is normally under vacuum. However, under certain engine conditions, crankcase pressure is temporarily forced to go the other way (into the air snorkel)... and if the PCV valve is stuck shut, then built up crankcase pressure is constantly being pushed out into the snorkel... and out anywhere else it can escape.


HA! I blame autocorrect

I guess I had my vacuum direction swapped and found this nice video.

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Originally posted by skywurz:

...found this nice video.


Yeah, that explains it pretty good. I first learned about the PCV system back in the early 70's while fiddling around with small and big block Chevy engines. Pretty simple, yet effective system which hasn't changed much over the decades.
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If the car has been parked overnight to days could be just moisture boiling off on top of any blow by for the pistons.
Weird weather in most places can dump a lot of water into a cooling/cold engine and take awhile to boil off.

If the car has been running an hour or more, then maybe worry.
Pressure testing Fiero coolant system is harder because little clearance to install most testers on the rad w/o taking the hood off...
Most current kits available thru "Loaner Tools" programs have many caps all too tall to fit there.
Most Old Stant testers you find used have the pump on the rad tube and even taller then new testers.
Only found 1 old ACDelco tester (AKA GM/Kent-Moore J-24460-A ) w/ a test cap made to fit Fiero and some others w/o pulling the hood etc. (Likely is a Stant tester but never seen this version w/ their name. Stant makers parts and tools for car makers for 50+ years.) Likely still find one but likely have to buy a tool you rarely need.

 
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In regards to your issue, check that the PCV system is operating properly. Otherwise, pressure in the crankcase builds up and it tries to escape anywhere it can. Make sure the PCV valve isn't sticking, or better yet, just replace the valve. It's inexpensive.
Iffy valve may make this problem and is cheap so replace them.
But a good PCV valve only helps when an engine isn't worn. Even then, opening oil fill port bypass the valve and "smoke" just goes out the shortest path.

If the fill cover is on and smoking thru PCV inlet port then something is wrong. I think should see a little vacuum there @ idle.

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