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Helicopter engine in a what?? by Spoon
Started on: 06-03-2019 10:13 PM
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Report this Post06-03-2019 10:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpoonSend a Private Message to SpoonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've heard about and read about lots of different engine swaps in our Fiero's but these old boys really had an imagination. Does this look familiar and notice the curiosity of the 2 guys in the lower left. The actual swap would occur when your engine needed service. The dealer would swap in a spare engine and send you on your way. Around 50 cars were built and were named the Tucker48 and they were real helicopter engines.

Wonder if anyone ever stood in the empty engine bay....


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Report this Post06-03-2019 10:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sourmashSend a Private Message to sourmashEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
There's a movie, maybe made by Ron Howard about Preston Tucker and his car. One of the Bridges boys played him. Jeff I think. I'm too lazy to search.
EDIT; It was Coppola. Didn't remember Clint Howard being in the film and Ron always casts his brother in his films. Often anyway.

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Report this Post06-04-2019 12:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for IMSA GTSend a Private Message to IMSA GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Unlike a standard automotive engine that has to be rebuilt after so many miles, turbine engines have to be rebuilt after so many HOURS of use. If those were used as daily drivers, the owners went broke trying to maintain the engines.
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Report this Post06-04-2019 12:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cvxjetSend a Private Message to cvxjetEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The big three basically shut Tucker down because his car was so innovative......watch the movie- it is well done.
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Report this Post06-04-2019 07:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for johnt671Send a Private Message to johnt671Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The AACA museum in Hershey PA has a nice display of Tuckers. They also had a Fiero on display over the winter, but the last time I went it was gone.
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Unlike a standard automotive engine that has to be rebuilt after so many miles, turbine engines have to be rebuilt after so many HOURS of use. If those were used as daily drivers, the owners went broke trying to maintain the engines.


An aircraft engine used on the ground probably wouldn't need the same maintenance as one used in an aircraft. Simply because you can't park on the side of a flight path to address any issues. Lycomings and Continentals used in airboats and hovercraft require less mandatory service than an aircraft engine. And on the note of automobile engines, a Porsche 911 or 912 engine has been used to power aircraft, as well as a VW engine for a light aircraft. In that application, the engine requires more maintenance than when used in a car. FAA regulations.

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Unlike a standard automotive engine that has to be rebuilt after so many miles, turbine engines have to be rebuilt after so many HOURS of use. If those were used as daily drivers, the owners went broke trying to maintain the engines.


In most aircraft, time between overhaul is longer for a turbine engine (in terms of operational hours) than a standard gasoline reciprocating engine. There have been exceptions to this general rule but most were due to materials issues in early jet engines. As an example of this, the ME 262 engine needed to be replaced after either 10 or 50 hours of operations (i do not remember which number is correct), Modern turbine engines get many thousands of hours of use prior to being replaced. Standard numbers for Time Before Overhaul (TBO) for piston engines are normally in the 1800 to 2000 hour range. There are also some diesel aircraft engines but I do not know enough about them to comment on operational hours prior to overhaul.

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Unlike a standard automotive engine that has to be rebuilt after so many miles, turbine engines have to be rebuilt after so many HOURS of use. If those were used as daily drivers, the owners went broke trying to maintain the engines.


The Tucker used a Gasoline Powered helicopter engine, not turbine.

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Report this Post06-04-2019 12:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Many old Helicopter and airplane engines are "simple" gas engine. I believe including the "MASH" Bell 47 Helicopter.
Tucker basically used a gas engine available and not made by Ford et al.
Unlike AMC that used a mix of Ford/Chevy engines w/ mods to work w/ different trans etc ending w/ a Frankenstein power train that didn't share most parts w/ original motor/trans often causing problems to fix them.
I think old AMC Jeep had Hack up Chevy engine, don't know who made the trans, Chrysler Transfer Box for 4FD made in Syracuse NY at Process Gear plant.

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Report this Post06-04-2019 11:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for damittronSend a Private Message to damittronEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I had a friend my whole childhood, who's dad was a mad scientist...in the absolute coolest way possible. He belonged to the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association). He built his own inverted wing airframe and put a Mazda rotary engine in it. That thing was waaaaay cool, and fast as hell too. He used to get teased a lot about blowing seals and using it as a smoke screen generator. Anyway - the rotary engine came out every 120 hours and was re-worked. He actually had 3 of them that he rotated through.
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Report this Post06-05-2019 11:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sourmashSend a Private Message to sourmashEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
120 hours doesn't seem like much, but the hour meter on the riding mower I've been using a few years on a few properties isn't there yet.

Never knew there was a gasoline turbine helicopter engine.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

120 hours doesn't seem like much, but the hour meter on the riding mower I've been using a few years on a few properties isn't there yet.

Never knew there was a gasoline turbine helicopter engine.


No turbine, it's just a flat 6 gas helicopter engine. This was the 1940s. The engine was also converted from air cooled to liquid cooled for use in the car.

The original engine for the car was suppose to be 589ci fuel injected flat 6 with hydraulically operated valves. Its didnt work out too well so Tucker purchased Franklin helicopter engines for use.


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