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3800 swap coolant block off help by Lambocountach
Started on: 12-23-2017 01:36 AM
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Report this Post12-23-2017 01:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LambocountachSend a Private Message to LambocountachEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I was wondering if it would be ok to block off both the lim and front timing cover coolant holes as I don’t want to run a heater core in my swap. I had read some we’re doing this causes thermostat to get crushed? Also was trying to find info on blocking the 2 holes in Lower intake for throttle body as well as I will be swapping to gen v supercharger. Thank you for any info or links.

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Report this Post12-23-2017 01:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FIER086Send a Private Message to FIER086Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I blocked both off with no issues with freeze plugs. Going strong after 5,000 miles. However I have the modified Fiero thermostat housing that eliminates the heater core and thermostat concern.

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Report this Post12-24-2017 11:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LambocountachSend a Private Message to LambocountachEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Glad to hear that I was looking for a fiero thermostat housing with heater core deleted or did you just block that off as well. Was looking for this style https://goo.gl/images/DQEiDW

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Report this Post12-26-2017 10:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FIER086Send a Private Message to FIER086Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I used this one from WCF. I sent my 2.8 thermostat to them and they modified it. This way you hook up the heater core hose to the smaller port on the housing.
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Report this Post12-26-2017 12:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LambocountachSend a Private Message to LambocountachEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I am not trying to run a heater core at all I want to delete it completely. As will never use heat in this car only a/c.
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Originally posted by Lambocountach:

I was wondering if it would be ok to block off both the lim and front timing cover coolant holes as I don’t want to run a heater core in my swap. I had read some we’re doing this causes thermostat to get crushed? Also was trying to find info on blocking the 2 holes in Lower intake for throttle body as well as I will be swapping to gen v supercharger. Thank you for any info or links.



The factory alternator bracket that comes on Series 2 and 3 engines, as you probably already know, has both heater core lines from the LIM and water pump running thru it. What you may not know is this bracket ALSO has a coolant bypass passage that connects both of these coolant circuits inside of it. This is the engine's only means of a coolant bypass circuit. So if you aren't using the factory alternator bracket in a swap, you have no coolant bypass. Which may be fine as long as you are still using a heater core (in which case the heater core circuit would act as the bypass and that will be fine as long as it never becomes restricted). If you aren't going to use a heater core and are planning on plugging off the LIM and water pump passages, that could be a problem.

The way the cooling system works on pretty much ANY engine where the thermostat is located on the water outlet of the engine means there needs to be some kind of bypass that prevents pressure from building up against a closed thermostat. GM solved this issue in newer engines by placing the thermostat on the water pump inlet side of the system, however you can't simply do that on a 3800 engine because coolant must be allowed to flow past a closed thermostat on the inlet side of a system in order to permit it to open at the appropriate temperature. And GM achieved this in newer engines by routing the heater core coolant flow in such a way so that it would pass over the closed thermostat in a specially cast thermostat housing or water pump manifold.

You CAN plug off the heater core port on the LIM as well as the heater core port on the water pump housing so long as you run some kind of bypass in the system. You could use a modified stock Fiero t-stat housing and simply run a hose from the heater core outlet port of that housing over to the water pump inlet hose (or passenger's side coolant tube heater hose port if you have an 87-88 Fiero). This should allow coolant to circulate from the water outlet of the engine back to the water pump when the thermostat is closed.

If you don't install some kind of bypass and simply plug off all heater ports on the engine, you will likely collapse thermostats or worse - blow out gaskets due to excessive water pump head pressure.

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Report this Post12-27-2017 12:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LambocountachSend a Private Message to LambocountachEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thank you I remember reading that somewhere but couldn’t find the info. Would I be able to drill and tap the lower intake manifold hole and timing cover hole and install a hose to loop/bypass. I will be using Fierorog bracket and alternator mount thank you again I wish I had spare cash to have you do my swap your work is amazing. Is their a page about your turbo 3800 I sheen at fieroroma
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Originally posted by Lambocountach:

Would I be able to drill and tap the lower intake manifold hole and timing cover hole and install a hose to loop/bypass.


Yes, you can do that.

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