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Looking to Megasquirt my Fiero 3.4 turbo by Madess
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Report this Post05-17-2017 02:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MadessSend a Private Message to MadessEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have a MS3 Pro from Megasquirt. Looking from wiring diagrams and how to get started. Any help would be appreciated.
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Report this Post05-17-2017 07:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Well, tell us what kind of 3.4 you have? What kind of crank sensor/cam sensor?

Or are you running HEI?

Most of the relevant information is in the manuals:
http://www.msextra.com/manuals/ms3manuals/
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Report this Post05-18-2017 06:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MadessSend a Private Message to MadessEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
3.4 turbo with ported heads, a cam, a trueleo intake and other upgrades.

As far as wiring goes, I am using the stock 88 engine wiring harness, stock ecm and stock distributor.
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Why not use the early V6 ECM which can be programmed to run turbo? Lots of guys around that can burn a chip for you.

Contact this guy before spending money on a whole new unnecessary system.

http://www.gmtuners.com/
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Long story, but I already have all the megasquirt stuff, but I am considering selling it...

I have already done the 7730 in my other car.
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Report this Post05-18-2017 09:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
If you have 7730 experience, then you should be familiar with its capabilities.

So if you are happy with the 7730, get another one and use it on the turbo 3.4.

If you don't think the 7730 is up to the task, then use the MS. But if you do that, then you'll have some learning to do.

So if you already have a system that works, I would just stick with that...
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Report this Post05-19-2017 01:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MadessSend a Private Message to MadessEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
With my turbo piping I will probably have to toss the egr if I go 7730, I have heard there are issues with this, any thoughts?
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EGR is not required to make an engine run smoothly; it's an emissions device.

Are you asking if the 7730 will freak without an EGR valve hooked up to it?
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Originally posted by pmbrunelle:

EGR is not required to make an engine run smoothly; it's an emissions device.


That's not actually true, under the right conditions an EGR can actually increase fuel efficiency because it can reduce drag when you let off on the gas.
http://www.tuneruniversity....ts-saving-you-money/
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Originally posted by Madess:

Long story, but I already have all the megasquirt stuff, but I am considering selling it...

I have already done the 7730 in my other car.


I would go megasquirt.
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That's not actually true, under the right conditions an EGR can actually increase fuel efficiency because it can reduce drag when you let off on the gas.
http://www.tuneruniversity....ts-saving-you-money/


Maybe, but it's another variable to adjust (thus more work when tuning), more plumbing, and you're putting crud through your intake. I have had an EGR delete, and the intake manifold doesn't get dirty like when I had EGR.

The bottom line is that you can have a nice-running engine without it.

Besides, if you're putting a turbo on a car, it seems contradictory to be concerned about whatever minor fuel economy gain you may have due to EGR...

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Maybe, but it's another variable to adjust (thus more work when tuning), more plumbing, and you're putting crud through your intake.



More tuning, no as you don't have to program it to do anything but yes, more plumbing and a dirtier intake. I definitely wouldn't bother adding one if you don't have one but if it's there and you can control it, I'd leave it for future experimentation.
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Report this Post05-20-2017 07:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MadessSend a Private Message to MadessEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I know it is not difficult to delete the egr with the 7730. I may just go that route.
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More tuning, no as you don't have to program it to do anything but yes, more plumbing and a dirtier intake. I definitely wouldn't bother adding one if you don't have one but if it's there and you can control it, I'd leave it for future experimentation.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a digital EGR (not Fiero vacuum-actuated style), you have an EGR duty cycle table to mess with.
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Correct, but my turbo piping would get in the way of the digital egr and the adapter for it. I would either have to move the egr or RE plumb the turbo.
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Report this Post06-09-2017 12:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MadessSend a Private Message to MadessEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I was wondering if for now, I could get a chip for my Fiero as is. Can anyone do that? I tried to contact Darth Fiero, but I have not received any replies.
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Theory is great. Practice is everything. EGR saves you fuel because you can't manage part-throttle well with your foot. In the long run, carbon build-up in your intake and heads reduces performance.

I don't run EGR or PCV into my intake on my race car and there is no carbon buildup on my heads (and intake).
See here my engine still in the car with no intake - don't those ports look nice?:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../075502-18.html#p692

The Allante solves part throttle issues with a smaller TB and larger TB in the same unit where the larger one doesn't begin to open until about 1/2 throttle.

People need to stop spreading the performance-enhancing myth(lie actually) of dumping carbon and oil into your entire intake stream.
Perhaps if a filter was put in front of the EGR stream prior to going back into your intake, that would be true but it would either get burned or need to be changed often.

#EGR_BLOWS like literally
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Originally posted by lou_dias:
People need to stop spreading the performance-enhancing myth(lie actually) of dumping carbon and oil into your entire intake stream.
Perhaps if a filter was put in front of the EGR stream prior to going back into your intake, that would be true but it would either get burned or need to be changed often.


Did anyone say that EGR and PCV had no downsides?

Some people choose to use this equipment, because despite the downsides, there are positives. It's up to each driver to evaluate what they prefer.

Myself, on my Fiero, I like PCV, but not EGR.

OP, maybe if you're up to it, you can try tuning it yourself?

I don't see what a long-distance tuner can do that you can't do yourself. The main difference (which may be worth a lot) is experience.

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Report this Post06-09-2017 10:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Francis TClick Here to visit Francis T's HomePageSend a Private Message to Francis TEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Perfect timing: We got a new IC burner to burn a few chips for my 87 highly modified norm asp 2.8 and we'll also burn a few for my 86 turbo that also has one of our intakes and headers + + when we get them done and dyno tested, we'll likely sell some.

 
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I was wondering if for now, I could get a chip for my Fiero as is. Can anyone do that? I tried to contact Darth Fiero, but I have not received any replies.


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