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Lgx swap by tdrnek2
Started on: 03-21-2017 12:31 PM
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Report this Post03-21-2017 12:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tdrnek2Send a Private Message to tdrnek2Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Has anyone considered this? I'm very interested in trying it on my next build. Also, what would be a good transaxle to pair up with it?
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Report this Post03-21-2017 01:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Quite the design.

Integration of the electronics would take a bit of doing....
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Report this Post03-21-2017 02:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpadesluckSend a Private Message to SpadesluckEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Welcome to the forum. To answer your question, in my short time here I have not seen anyone ask about the LGX. Hell, I had to look it up to see what you where talking about honestly. ha
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Welcome to PFF!

I had to look it up too...


GM 3.6 Liter V6 LGX Engine

The 3.6 liter V6 engine (production code LGX) is a six-cylinder engine produced by General Motors for use in a broad range of vehicles. It is part of GM’s fourth-generation high-feature DOHC V6 engine family and first launched on the 2016 Cadillac ATS, 2016 Cadillac CTS, and 2016 Cadillac CT6.


Sounds expensive...
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Report this Post03-21-2017 05:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've seen ads for dropouts for as little as $1200.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Quite the design.

Integration of the electronics would take a bit of doing....


The easiest way to address this is to not integrate the associated electronics at all. Engines should be seen as lumps of iron/steel/aluminium.

The electronics is a separate problem.

My work colleague wasn't able to get a Subaru engine (plus its matching computer) working in another Subaru.

So he just ordered a Haltech Elite... problem solved? I'll need to check up with him once it's wired up.
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Report this Post03-21-2017 06:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I don't know, but I suspect the LGX, with it's many features as to cam phasing, etc may be to advanced to run on any aftermarket controllers, but I haven't investigated it.

4.9, 3800, SBC are old and getting scarce, for our community to enjoy more power we will have to find a newer platform to replace the standbys.
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Report this Post03-21-2017 06:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for wgpierceSend a Private Message to wgpierceEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Saw a thread a while back on doing a high feature 6, do a search. I recall most thought way too hard for the benefit due to the electronics.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I don't know, but I suspect the LGX, with it's many features as to cam phasing, etc may be to advanced to run on any aftermarket controllers, but I haven't investigated it.

4.9, 3800, SBC are old and getting scarce, for our community to enjoy more power we will have to find a newer platform to replace the standbys.


My buddy got the Haltech because it could handle the variable phasing for 4 camshafts, 2 widebands, and whatever else that engine needed. I haven't checked if it fits the LGX in particular, but it seems to run almost anything.

High Feature V6 uses its own bellhousing pattern, so you won't be able to mate a Fiero transmission to it. So consider an F40?

Swapping for newer junkyard engines is a non-stop technology treadmill; if we learn to rebuild what we have, then we relieve ourselves of having to keep up. With every new generation of engines, they will just keep on getting more and more complicated. Eventually, nobody will be able to mess around with production engines. Heck, some people were left behind with the switch to fuel injection.

I still see old Fords with flatheads at car shows; they find a way to do it, so why can't we? I think old car communities are like cannibals, the survivors staying alive eating the dead, or even killing the barely alive (parting out cars which could have been driven). It's already reached this state with fastback taillights (which is partly why I have an 84-87 notchie)

A VW air-cooled engine can be constructed with just aftermarket parts; no original factory parts required. I'm not sure if an SBC is the same, but it's obviously a better choice (in terms of parts availability down the road) than 2.5/2.8/4.9/3800.
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Report this Post03-21-2017 07:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
SBC, IMHO, is too heavy and upsets the cars balance.
I done lots of 3800SC's and 4.9's (my DD is a 4.9 Formula), problem with both is expense of rebuilding when they reach the end of their life.

There is incredible potential with the LS series of engines, and the DOHC six in the new line of engines seems to fit the Fiero vibe.

Thanks for info on the controller!
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Report this Post03-21-2017 08:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The Haltech can run everything on the High Feature engines, except for the SIDI.

None of the SIDI engines have ever been swapped into a Fiero. The SIDI injectors are electronically different from standard injectors, and none of the "affordable" aftermarket ECU options handles direct injection yet.
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Report this Post03-21-2017 08:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I didn't notice that the LGX was direct-injected.

I would think that any electrical differences are trivial to handle.

However, with direct injection, injection timing, duration, and even the number of injections is all new stuff.

From the engine's perspective, port injection isn't much different from carburetion. Fuel is mixed more or less precisely in the intake manifold, with no real timing requirements, and then the intake valve admits the mixture when needed. Pretty idiot-proof.

Direct injection is completely in another league of complexity. Some reverse-engineering (by the aftermarket), or trickle-down of corporate know-how is necessary. As time goes on, cars are harder to modify, auto modification seems less prevalent, so I don't know if the aftermarket has enough incentive to invest in a direct-injection computer.
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I just looked around some more, Motec will do direct injection, but it's $$$$$.
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Originally posted by pmbrunelle:

I just looked around some more, Motec will do direct injection, but it's $$$$$.


Yep. So does Magnetti-Morelli too I think (I probably spelled that wrong), but it's mid 5 digits as well.
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