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No gauges at all? by Combatcarl
Started on: 07-31-2016 11:15 AM
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Last post by: Joseph Upson on 08-02-2016 05:39 AM
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The car now has a new ECU. starts and runs fine (yay) but still nothing from the gauges. No
Temp gauge
Fuel gauge
Voltage gauge
Check engine light
Oil pressure gauge
Tachometer
No warning lights at all
The car runs, blinkers and all lights including dash lights work fine. All the fuses are good under the dash. any ideas where to start looking.
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Report this Post07-31-2016 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Recheck your GAGE fuse.....
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Report this Post07-31-2016 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CombatcarlSend a Private Message to CombatcarlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Took a multimeter to all the fuses. I have continuity from post to post on all of em. But I will check and see if it actually gets 12v with acc on, (you just made me think of that so thanks)
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Checking for continuity with the key off is a fail. It doesn't work. The load on one side will give you "ground" and the multiple loads on the source side will give you a ground. So even with a blown fuse you will get continuity.

Do this instead - Turn the key on and check each side of the fuse for +12v with the other side of the meter grounded on a bolt that is in metal. It is better to use a 12v test light with an alligator clip if you have one. Easier to see the light, better because it loads the circuit slightly, If you find a fuse with +12 on one side and 0 on the other you have your bad fuse.

btw, the Fiero fuse box is hinged and swings to a vertical position. Find the latch, squeeze it towards the fuse box, push up slightly to take the pressure off and swing it down.

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Report this Post07-31-2016 05:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This is also a sign of poor plug connection at the back side of the instrument cluster, not sure which side as I have not gone back in to correct it since it's intermittent. I removed the cluster a few months ago in an attempt to make better contact at the terminal surfaces in the lousy factory connection to clear up the intermittent outer back lights for the odometer which resulted in an intermittent dash. Some times I get nothing at all for a few moments at startup but by the time the sun does it's thing on the car continuity returns on its own or after a bump in the road. It really is a lousy arrangement GM designed where with time the cluster contact terminals start to delaminate and corode from the plastic sheet they are adhered to.
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Report this Post08-01-2016 10:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CombatcarlSend a Private Message to CombatcarlEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Interesting theory on the continuity test being a faulty check, I'm going to look deeper into that after this gets settled. (I could see how your theory could be true) Unfortunately all fuses checked out and I have ACC switched power on both poles of the GAG fuse. (after the initial check i pulled one by one and tested continuity) I guess my next step is to pull the dash. (Dash hasn't been touched in the last 10 years so I suppose something could be starting to rot away. I'll let you know what I find. If anyone has any more ideas lmk. I can't think of a place besides the back of the cluster that all the individual curcuits could be affected by one fault!

Thanks for all the help so far!!!
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Report this Post08-01-2016 10:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Your ECM was fried and you have multiple gauges in the dash that don't work. My guess has been that someone put the battery in backwards and fried both the electronics in the ECM and the dash. Best bet - buy a dash from someone on the MALL section of the forum. You should be able to pick one up for cheap. Try to get the same layout as what you had before.

The radio and the alternator are the only other pieces of electronics that might still need replacing. If the alternator is charging the car and the radio works then that eliminates those pieces.

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Report this Post08-02-2016 05:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Putting the battery in backwards shouldn't knock the dash out completely particularly the back lighting along with the simplest of these old style gauges which should work in reverse when that happens I could be wrong. I'm eager to hear what the cause is. There are two instances I've experienced resulting in complete power loss at the dash and that's at the plug into the cluster and a fusible link in the 84 model. It could be coincidental in timing with the other failures. That always complicates diagnosing because it gives the impression two independent problems are linked.
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