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88 Fiero AC Always Cycles and Radiator Fan is always on when driving by Oslo
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Report this Post05-20-2016 10:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OsloClick Here to visit Oslo's HomePageSend a Private Message to OsloEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I tried searching for this, but when searching both AC and radiator fan, so much unrelated stuff comes up I just had to ask...

My '88 GT will run the radiator fan the entire time the key is turned on. Also, when the engine is running the AC clutch is always kicking on and off on the compressor. If I turn the HVAC controller to OFF it stops, but if I put it on ANY of the other settings the radiator fan and AC clutch both start doing their thing. I can only imagine it's related!

Is there a common issue of why your AC system would be triggered all the time the HVAC is activated?
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Report this Post05-20-2016 10:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
As I understand it the ac clutch kicking on is an issue regarding the amount of charge or restriction in the system.
Either low charge or a restriction in the flow.
But I'm no expert.

So even if you have the blower set to floor, (not AC) it triggers the ac compressor and fan?
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Report this Post05-20-2016 10:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tebaileySend a Private Message to tebaileyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My 84 only kicks the fan and compressor on in the AC position. Maybe a problem with you HVAC controll?
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Report this Post05-20-2016 11:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroTonySend a Private Message to FieroTonyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have an 88 4cyl. So I can't be much help comparing A/C systems since they use different compressors. Here's my dropbox link for the 88SM, (and some other info). Should help some if you don't have one.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/...pE5Xxg6X8P3Zspa?dl=0
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Report this Post05-20-2016 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You need to replace your HVAC control head.
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Report this Post05-20-2016 06:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Oslo:

If I turn the HVAC controller to OFF it stops, but if I put it on ANY of the other settings the radiator fan and AC clutch both start doing their thing. I can only imagine it's related!


Many people don't realize that the A/C also runs in Defrost mode... but no, it shouldn't be running in Heater or Vent mode.
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Report this Post05-21-2016 02:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PonnariSend a Private Message to PonnariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Patrick brings up a very good point here. When controls set to defrost it does cycle the AC, and as far as I understand, it does not run the radiator fan in defrost mode. Is that correct?

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Originally posted by Ponnari:

When controls set to defrost it does cycle the AC, and as far as I understand, it does not run the radiator fan in defrost mode. Is that correct?


I removed the A/C from my Formula when I got it (so I can't go check)... but I believe anytime the A/C is running (including while in Defrost mode), the rad fan is running. I'm sure someone with their A/C still installed will easily be able to clarify this.

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Report this Post05-21-2016 08:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The cooling fan runs whenever A/C or defrost is selected on the HVAC head on an 88.

The O/P has a defective HVAC head.

I checked the 88 FSM wiring diagrams, if his description of the problem is accurate, the only thing that could cause this is the head.
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Report this Post05-21-2016 11:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for OsloClick Here to visit Oslo's HomePageSend a Private Message to OsloEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks folks. I have an '86 parts car, so I'm hoping the control unit in the dash is the same as my '88. I'll try swapping them out.
If that doesn't do it I'll bring it to a shop that does AC work and get their input on if the system is too full or not full enough and go from there.
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Report this Post05-21-2016 11:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PonnariSend a Private Message to PonnariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Uh-Oh, my AC is working and has been fine since it was fixed about 4 years ago. But my radiator fan does not run in defrost, it only runs when control is set to AC max, norm, and b/l. BTW, this is on my 86 GT. My others don't have working AC.
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Report this Post05-22-2016 12:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for donuteater306Send a Private Message to donuteater306Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Ponnari:

Uh-Oh, my AC is working and has been fine since it was fixed about 4 years ago. But my radiator fan does not run in defrost, it only runs when control is set to AC max, norm, and b/l. BTW, this is on my 86 GT. My others don't have working AC.


Not sure about the 88's. But on 1985-87 V6 models with AC, the radiator fan does NOT run with the defroster even though the AC is cycling. The radiator fan only operates on Max, Norm, or Bi-level.
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Report this Post05-22-2016 12:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PonnariSend a Private Message to PonnariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks donuteater306, that's what I always thought, thank god I don't have something additional to fix!

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Originally posted by donuteater306:

...on 1985-87 V6 models with AC, the radiator fan does NOT run with the defroster even though the AC is cycling.


Interesting. Thanks, I learned something today.

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A jumper wire can be added to the circuit board on an early HVAC head to enable the cooling fan to run in DEFROST mode.
Sorry, can't post pics from my phone....
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Report this Post05-23-2016 09:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

... defective HVAC head.



I assume the "HVAC head" is the control panel? I haven't heard it called that before but have heard car stereo decks described as a head unit.

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Report this Post05-23-2016 09:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
OK, control panel.....
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Originally posted by Oslo:

Thanks folks. I have an '86 parts car, so I'm hoping the control unit in the dash is the same as my '88. I'll try swapping them out.
If that doesn't do it I'll bring it to a shop that does AC work and get their input on if the system is too full or not full enough and go from there.


All years of heat/air controls function the same and will plug right in. 84 units have different color buttons, but they also work the same way.

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