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s10 booster upgrade issues... by deezil
Started on: 08-10-2015 02:18 PM
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Report this Post08-10-2015 02:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for deezilSend a Private Message to deezilEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey all I am at my wits end with this swap.

I have a 88gt with the s10 booster. I have a had a issue with this s10 setup ever since I put it on a few years back.
The system doesn't seems to have enough vacuum or power to run the brakes. The car also got rebuilt calipers all the way around at the same time and a new 88gt master cyl.

It has vacuum at the booster and I have even bought a vacuum tank for cars with big cams and have it plumbed in line. Nothing seems to help the pedal feels pressure like it has vacuum and then goes a little past that right after hitting the brakes. You really have to stand on it to get the brakes to hit hard enough to stop it.

I have had the system bled countless times thinking that was it but it never helped. this summer I swapped out the Booster again and had it bled on a machine at a brake shop. Same damn result.


I wonder if the adjustable rod should be adjusted further into the master cyl booster assembly. Any Ideas? There isn't any slop in the pedal . It just seems it doesn't have any braking force into you are already to the floor standing on it.
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Report this Post08-10-2015 02:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TopNotchClick Here to visit TopNotch's HomePageSend a Private Message to TopNotchEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Is there any difference in running with the vacuum hose connected to the booster, and running with it removed (and plugged, for the sake of the engine)?
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Report this Post08-10-2015 03:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for deezilSend a Private Message to deezilEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Yes. If I remove it I may as well have no brakes.
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Report this Post08-10-2015 03:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NW-FieroSend a Private Message to NW-FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Are you still running 28 year old rubber brake lines at the calipers? has the master cylinder been rebuilt. not much else left if the caliper are free moving.
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Is it the S-10 master cylinder as well, or has only the booster been swapped?

The S-10 master has a larger bore and would result in lower line pressures with the same amount of pedal travel, explaining your lack of braking power.

The Fiero bore is 15/16", and the S-10 bore is somewhere around 1.25." Just to give you an idea. Could explain your issue.
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Report this Post08-10-2015 04:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you get used booster?
Any Dual Diaphragm can fail 1 diaphragm cause heavy pedal problems.

Booster w/ iffy check valve for vac line is a problem too.

The rest is brake system problems.
Could be have bad rear pistons, etc.

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Report this Post08-14-2015 11:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for deezilSend a Private Message to deezilEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hoses are 4 years old and not expanding.
Master cyl is 88 fiero gt. Both Boosters were re man s10.

Calipers are newish pedal a ts like normal pedal but doesn't start braking until standing on it near the floor...
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Report this Post08-14-2015 11:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did the brakes work well before you changed the booster?
If you wish an all new installation use Rodney Dickman's connector and this new brake booster that he recommends;
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tff-2232nb

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Report this Post08-14-2015 04:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RodneyClick Here to visit Rodney's HomePageSend a Private Message to RodneyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
To confirm you have a good vacuum supply buy and run a rubber vacuum hose from the engine brake booster port directly to the brake booster. Tie wrap it under the car temporary. If it then works well then you have a problem in the steel tube.

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Hook up a vac gauge to the booster line to see exactly what the vac is at.
Do you hear a constant hiss from inside when you push on the brakes, not just when you first push it down but when you hold it down?
And as orge said, did you use the same check valve on both boosters?
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Report this Post08-15-2015 03:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for deezilSend a Private Message to deezilEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The Brakes had 2 bad rear calipers when I Got it.

Its seems to have good vacuum supply without any leaks. I used a new check valve and even grabbed one off another car to try it

I just hear the hiss when I step on the brakes. It doesn't keep doing it while I am on them.
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Any progress on this issue?
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Report this Post08-21-2015 08:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Are your rear calipers adjusted correctly?
Will the ebrake hold the car stationary when in gear and with foot on the gas?
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