I was trying to capture a video of some low >2° KR I was experiencing at 4K rpm in second gear. At 30 sec into the video, you can see me stop pulling and look behind me. I saw what looked like a rock flip up into the air, now I know it was part of my 282 case. Here's my problem.
What are my options now? I found a Beretta locally with a FWD Getrag that Rodney sells an adapter kit for. Its a fairly low price of $275 no core with 60 day warranty.
I've seen, but not researched the F23, would it be better to go this route just because its an upgrade? How expensive is the swap?
F-40. I've sourced 2 of these fairly close to me. (We committed to but them) They are brand new transmissions with 0 miles. I've read bad things about 06' rattle, and fieroguru had posted a video of his. The trannies are from around 06, so I don't really know if it would be a good idea to roll the dice. I really want mattwa to post his F-40 build on here so I can read about it. I need a really good writeup on the f40.
Here is the wonderful video I had the pleasure of capturing. Don't mind me talking to myself, it was for my dad originally.
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I would attempt to see if there is someplace else to catch a bolt into the tranny. Maybe by modifying the bracket?
Otherwise... I have a 92-93 Beretta Getrag in my car. Has the integrated slave/release bearing. The gearing is the same as the Fiero Getrag. It might be a little easier to shift. (That was supposed to be one of the upgrades, along with sturdier differential gears.) I really like it. Lots of room without that external slave in the way. In addition to buying Rodney's pieces, you will probably have to tap the holes for the select cable bracket. At least I did.
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If there's no internal damage I'm sure you can switch to another Getrag without it happening again but you may want to switch to a poly motor mount to possibly reduce strain on the tranny mounts. You can probably use the same kind of Prothane mount Rodney uses with some spacers.
Also try to avoid bump starting it if it ever stalls while you're moving, I tore the rear motor mount on my Northstar doing that too many times.
if it is not leaking or broken other than that mount hole , i would just modify the mount to catch one of the other bolts .are you running the stock V6 ? if so , then you really dont need a trans upgrade .
The Fiero 282 and the FWD 282 are the same strength externally the FWD one just has a stronger diff and slightly different shifter assembly which can be used with a little work. The F23 is stronger all around and a lot easier to come by with decent mileage but is more work to instal with the need for new mounts, some changes in the harness, shifter adapter and another select cable or I would suggest a stronger cable from California push pull so it will last longer as I have seen a few select cables fail when used as a shift cable even had one of Rodney's brand new ones fail in less then two weeks of easy driving. Dan
I really don't want to go to all the extra work for the f23. The 282 has a decent track record...
I'm guess trying to justify the $265 I just spent on a FWD 282. I hope this all works out for the best. I really don't want to pull the motor again for a while after this.
I drove my brother's Cobalt SS (supercharged one) with the F23 and did not like the gear ratios. At 3000 rpm in 5th he was doing 80mph and I think the Getrag does 88mph. You'd lose fuel economy but gain acceleration. I have an F40 install and I love 6th gear, but I have a 3.4. When I had a 2.8 it could just maintain speed at 65 @ 1800rpm in 6th.
I drove my brother's Cobalt SS (supercharged one) with the F23 and did not like the gear ratios. At 3000 rpm in 5th he was doing 80mph and I think the Getrag does 88mph. You'd lose fuel economy but gain acceleration. I have an F40 install and I love 6th gear, but I have a 3.4. When I had a 2.8 it could just maintain speed at 65 @ 1800rpm in 6th.
the cobalt SS turbo and supercharged models both use the f35 .and it is a transmission that a lot of people seem unhappy with .there are lots of threads about gear ratios for the f23 , i dont really know what you would rev at 70mph .the big advantage over the f40 is you just use fiero axles in the f23 .they both need work to make shift linkages etc work .
Originally posted by mitchjl22: I'm guess trying to justify the $265 I just spent on a FWD 282. I hope this all works out for the best. I really don't want to pull the motor again for a while after this.
I have one bolted to my 4.9/Allante setup. It also has the EP LSD installed, which probably doesn't help the case, as much as the diff. Everything is rubber mounted. Both tranny mounts and all three (front, rear, and under the pan) engine mounts. Even without a dogbone, I haven't broken anything. In the interest of not shock loading the drivetrain, I don't do clutch drops, but I'll occasionally mat the gas after the clutch is fully engaged.
I really don't want to go to all the extra work for the f23. The 282 has a decent track record...
I'm guess trying to justify the $265 I just spent on a FWD 282. I hope this all works out for the best. I really don't want to pull the motor again for a while after this.
The FWD HM282 is an easy install, if you use Rodney Dickman's install kit. That said, chances are the FWD gearbox will have a magnetic speed sensor. You'll need to build or buy a buffer circuit for the speed sensor, so the Fiero speedometer can understand the electrical signal from it.
Also, you might want to install a second dogbone / torque strut somewhere on the driver side of the car. Under acceleration (especially with a high performance engine like the 3800SC), the transmission tries to rotate in its mounts. The firewall side tries to pull up, while the trunk side tries to push down. And since the stock dogbone is way over on the passenger side of the engine bay, it doesn't help much with that.
Originally posted by wftb: the cobalt SS turbo and supercharged models both use the f35 .and it is a transmission that a lot of people seem unhappy with .there are lots of threads about gear ratios for the f23 , i dont really know what you would rev at 70mph .the big advantage over the f40 is you just use fiero axles in the f23 .they both need work to make shift linkages etc work .
With the 282 it is pretty easy to instal a second dog bone, I do a mirror image sort of build of the chassis side of the dog bone bracket on the other side of the car then make a bracket coming up off the housing of the 282 to a bracket on the tranny side. can post a pic or two if it helps explain better. If you take your time it can look pretty much stock. Dan
With the 282 it is pretty easy to instal a second dog bone, I do a mirror image sort of build of the chassis side of the dog bone bracket on the other side of the car then make a bracket coming up off the housing of the 282 to a bracket on the tranny side. can post a pic or two if it helps explain better. If you take your time it can look pretty much stock. Dan
I'd like to see some pictures of this if you have a chance.
The supercharged Ion and Cobalt used the MU3 version of the F35 which used a 4.05 final drive... the turbocharged 2.0 cars used the MU2 F35 with a 3.84 final and a 0.7 5th, which would make it a little better for cruising than the 3.94 final and 0.69 5th in the the J-body Metric F23... moot point though because you can't really use an F35 in a Fiero without and adapter plate or an Ecotec.
Info on FWD manual transmissions that can be used without a bell housing swap:
With the 282 it is pretty easy to instal a second dog bone, I do a mirror image sort of build of the chassis side of the dog bone bracket on the other side of the car then make a bracket coming up off the housing of the 282 to a bracket on the tranny side. can post a pic or two if it helps explain better. If you take your time it can look pretty much stock. Dan
Yes that is a bonus as I have seen quite a few fieros where the welds have let go there and the two pieces have separated allowing the strut tower to move under heavy load.
Okay so when I called the Pull apart, I told the I wanted the manual from a beretta 1989, they said they had a 90, with a V6 and said they should cross reference. I just got the tranny, and it has an old sticker on it that says Muncie. Thats not correct......?
I'll post pictures in a minute when they upload, the sticker says, *610NRxM003267* MUNCIE
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Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:48 pm Location: Meadville, PA Jon I was just stating what the guy told me I bought my new garnet gtz off of because he said he had the flywheel turned when he rebuilt the motor in '08 and shimmed it
So, do I bolt on my shift linkage then to this one? Would I be better off getting an 87-89 tranny instead of a 90? If they're all basically the same then no big deal I'll just use this one.
I'm not sure if the Fiero shift linkage will work properly with it. But Rodney Dickman sells a shifter linkage for FWD Getrags that will work. He also sells an internal slave to Fiero slave cyl adapter, if you want to go that route.
So, do I bolt on my shift linkage then to this one? Would I be better off getting an 87-89 tranny instead of a 90? If they're all basically the same then no big deal I'll just use this one.
If you bolt the Fiero Getrag shifting linkage to this FWD Getrag you will find you can not get first or second gear. The shifting shaft in a FWD Getrag is shorter. My FWD conversion kit fixes this.
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If you bolt the Fiero Getrag shifting linkage to this FWD Getrag you will find you can not get first or second gear. The shifting shaft in a FWD Getrag is shorter. My FWD conversion kit fixes this.
Yes, that's what I thought, the case look a little different than mine, but if its the same, great! I'll order your shift linkage, and do I need the slave adapter? This transmission has a hole in the bell housing with a clutch arm inside the bell housing.
