84-88 NOTCHBACK FULL QUARTER WINDOW REPLACEMENT (PR) These reproduction notchback quarter windows are designed to replace the entire window and frame for a total custom sleek look. Each window is molded from high temperature acrylic with flame polished edges. Correct curvatures from front to back and top to bottom ensure a near perfect fit. Sold in pairs and includes mounting tape. Be sure to test fit before appying the supplied tape. Make sure the surface of the car is extremely clean before sticking the windows in place. Part # 50399 BLACK Price: $144.95
Anybody have pics? Do they just stick on over the quarter window frame?
As usual they stole someone elses design and marked them up WAY beyond what they sell for. They were developed by Ken Hines and you can buy direct from his Ebay page or his website. They are $119 with free shipping from here: http://kahines.com/
To see items not listed for sale, click his "pricing and ordering" tab. You will find the notchback windows there.
They REPLACE the entire quarter window frame.
Here they are on Lildevils car. They look awesome:
[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 11-03-2013).]
Sail Panel is part keeping cabin air fresh. Air is pulled thru B pillar... inside vent at bottom then up and out thru sail panel. Covered in owners manual etc. GT uses same idea but modified for fastback.
W/o that the air will go "stale" and can cause driver to sleep very easy. Worse, any small air leak from engine bay can cause CO poisoning w/o enough flesh air flow. That can make you drive like your drunk etc.
Example: Shift and Throttle cables often leak air. They use soft rubber and 25+ year later doesn't help.
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They aren't exactly like Hines. You can get them with the arrow head or GT/SE logo impregnated in the panel. See my thread https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/130773.html. I had a set of Hines and never installed them. I got mine off e-bay and they are the the same as TFS but cheaper. I'm still up in the air on the fit.
Sail Panel is part keeping cabin air fresh. Air is pulled thru B pillar... inside vent at bottom then up and out thru sail panel. Covered in owners manual etc. GT uses same idea but modified for fastback.
W/o that the air will go "stale" and can cause driver to sleep very easy. Worse, any small air leak from engine bay can cause CO poisoning w/o enough flesh air flow. That can make you drive like your drunk etc.
Example: Shift and Throttle cables often leak air. They use soft rubber and 25+ year later doesn't help.
Thanks for the tip.
Spoon
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Since IMSA GT's resentment for us has once again gotten the best of him, please allow us to give some factual background on the development of our notchback sail panels. For many years, customers have asked us to carry notchback sail panels. A year or two ago, we contacted FieroSails.com to inquire about distributing their inserts. We had a good dialogue with Paul over the course of several months and it turned out that he wasn't prepared to make a commitment. With demand mounting, we asked one of our fastback quarter window suppliers (Chris) if he had the interest and resources to produce notchback sail panel inserts. With barely any help from us, he designed and produced a few variations of notchback sail panel inserts and full sail panels. We didn't expect to receive the full panels, but they looked good, so we agreed to offer them to our customers.
Unfortunately, right around the time we were committing to carry Chris's panels, Paul at FieroSails.com called to ask if we were still interested in his sail panel inserts. Since the inserts were comparable, and Chris was offering full sail panels as well (and he had already begun to ramp up production), we apologized to Paul and told him that we had to stick with Chris. The conversation was very friendly and we left the door open to doing business in the future if circumstances ever change. Paul has great products and is an asset to the Fiero community.
So just to set the record straight, nothing was stolen as IMSA GT claims. Ken Hines is also a supplier of ours. We carry his fastback quarter windows. Ken is a great guy and his products are very nice. He sometimes struggles to keep up with demand during peak times, which is perfectly understandable since he has a full time job outside of the Fiero world. Had we known about his notchback sail panels and if we could rely on his supply during peak times, we would have been happy to consider his panels as well.
Please join us in wishing peace for IMSA GT. His anger toward The Fiero Store knows no limits and he has no way of fully comprehending the damage he inflicts on this forum or the Fiero community at large by telling everyone who will listen how we are such a horrible company. We have pubicly acknowledged, apologized, and offered to make amends on several occasions for the errors we made while doing business with IMSA GT several years ago. We hope that he will one day overcome his resentment, embrace forgiveness, and allow The Fiero Store to be included among the few reputable souls who dedicate themselves to keeping the Fiero marketplace alive and well.
Normal sail panel "glass" replacement is not a problem. OE sail panel works similar to NACA ducts to help pull air out of the cabin.
Any full panel that block/reduces air flow thru B pillar can be bad for reason I posted above and Does Not matter who makes them.
Fiero has many place that can leak air in/out of the cabin but eliminating B pillar vent path could cause problems. Fiero and Pickups have a very small cabins and shares many of same problems. Stale air, moisture problems like heavier window fog and so on... Example: When heat/AC is on, can affect their performance when windows, and roof, is closed. the Blower is on High but can't move enough air w/o B pillar venting.
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Originally posted by FieroStore: Since IMSA GT's resentment...
Please join us in wishing peace for IMSA GT. His anger toward The Fiero Store knows no limits and he has no way of fully comprehending the damage he inflicts on this forum or the Fiero community at large by telling everyone who will listen how we are such a horrible company. We have pubicly acknowledged, apologized, and offered to make amends on several occasions for the errors we made while doing business with IMSA GT several years ago. We hope that he will one day overcome his resentment, embrace forgiveness, and allow The Fiero Store to be included among the few reputable souls who dedicate themselves to keeping the Fiero marketplace alive and well.
Sorry but He's not only one. Many don't like TFS from buying your products. Returns and apologizing later does not give you an excuse for selling poor quality products. From your post above and my recent TFS purchase problems... To say I'm not happy is a huge understatement.
Just to be clear, we would never deny IMSA's (or anyone else's) right to not like us. Many people do not share or understand our perspective on Fiero marketplace dynamics and that's fine. We can still be on the same team while having differences of opinion. We usually don't comment every time someone posts a negative review of one of our parts. Sometimes those reviews are justified depending on your perspective and personal preferences. We do take exception to those comments/reviews that present patently false information. IMSA's assertion that we somehow stole someone else's design is grossly incorrect at best and libelous at worst. While our hearts go out to him, we couldn't let an accusation like that go unanswered. Your generalization that we are "selling poor quality products" may be misleading, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Meanwhile, we will continue to do our best to try to bring our customers the parts they need to keep their Fieros on the road.
FieroStore, could you please carry the better quality DIY_Stu dew wipes, since you have the ability to carry inventory?
While I appreciate the work you do as a vendor, even you have to admit that you've been cutting corners as to quality in the last couple years, while not reducing prices to match the lower quality products.
Briefly, since this is off topic, Austrian Import gives a perfect example of a product that has improved greatly since its first production run. The dew wipes that we offer today are far better than they were 5-10 years ago and compare favorably with any other dew wipe on the market (with all due respect to DIY_Stu, who appears to have very nice dew wipes). We appreciate Austrian Import for challenging us with such a civil tone, but making the generalization that we are "cutting corners" and "not reducing prices" is simply not accurate. If anyone would like to discuss this "quality vs. price" issue further, please feel free to email us and we will be happy to discuss other examples in greater detail.
I'm somewhat curious as to what issues everyone is having with the fierostore? I've really never had problems with them. The items ship fast, and have been pretty good. I think I had a set of hinges that were so-so, but they still worked fine. I've purchased quite a few things from them over the years, from GT replacement lenses to ash tray doors, to clips and screws. I mean really, we've lucky these places exist. without Rodney or Fiero Store, we'd be hard pressed to have our cars still running. I say support the folks that support our cars. Look at the overall track record versus a few marginal products. Otherwise, you hurt their business, and then what do you have? Even less parts available..
To get this thread back on topic, I have the khines version of these and love them. My car is a daily driver and don't have any issues with venting. Unlike the fastback versions, these do not seal along the bottom (no lip to support the double sided tape), so there remains a decent gap for the vent function to work with. Plus there is the large hole in the rear corner for air to escape as well.
I think those look super cool but to be honest, what The Orge says makes a lot of sense. Without numbers to show that airflow still is adequate I,m not ready to buy just yet. Im glad that they exist though.
I'm also glad that we have vendors that still offer hard to find replacement parts for this rare breed of car. I've not had any issues with any of them.
