I think he'll support it - one way or another. Can't say I'm for boots on the ground, but I don't think it'll be necessary, anyway. I'm pretty sure there are already people there "stirring the pot" or otherwise encouraging the people. I've already seen rumors that the "Assahola" has already left the building. If THAT'S the case...
Any thoughts on how trump will respond to the uprising of the Iranian people against there government.
Pure speculation... I'm sure the United States is behind it, or at the very least, fueling it... and I fully support freeing Iran from the Ayatollah Cockamamie.
Based upon your statement, an "unflagged" vessel is not under any jurisdiction (even though everyone knows where it came from.) And is likely up to something nefarious. Sounds like "fair game" to me.
So, they're in international waters - without flying the flag of any country. Pretty much defines them as pirates, according to what I have been reading. I mean... there could also be rafts, drifting aimlessly - with no "state flag". That might garner some sympathy and assistance. But they're fiberglass, and have three or four 300 HP outboards. Not exactly begging for a rescue.
or as the clip shows 90% fly no flag in local waters
btw outside the inlet is the ocean so under your rules a free fire zone for flag less vessels
but no excuses for the second shot killing all people who survived the first shot a war crime with out a single excuse sought just hide the clip and call it top secret
They're also not likely suspected of criminal activity. And close enough to easily arrest, if they were. Don't try to put words in my mouth. You're smarter than that, Ray.
"But, but, but, but..." You can make excuses and "whatabouts" all day long. But you know better.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Selling across state lines would immediately create competition, which the big insurance companies don't want. These insurance companies had a hand in crafting Obamacare... it was basically a blank check for them.
Heh, you can buy auto insurance across State lines.
Originally posted by Patrick: There are plenty of unfortunate people who started out life behind the eight ball, and were never afforded the opportunity to get ahead. It's so easy to think that everyone and anyone can live comfortably, just because you or I may be able to.
I started out life behind the eight ball. I have been behind it many other times in my life. I am living comfortably. I live rent/mortgage free and own paid off property at Medina Lake.
It is so easy to think that everyone and anyone can live comfortably.
Heh, you can buy auto insurance across State lines.
Not really, even though the internet makes it look like that happens. Every insurance company must be chartered by the state to conduct business within the state.
So, I suppose that if the supposed "American citizens" were acting suspiciously, trying to remain anonymous, and appeared to be smuggling, then... yeah. Their own fault.
Okay, so you're in agreement then that American citizens/civilians who "appeared" to be "acting suspiciously" are fair game to be killed on the spot by foreign governments/countries. (I highly suspect you never leave the US.)
But it's a moot point anyway. We are not a major exporter of any "illegal consumables".
Oh really? Maybe have a gander at this article about drugs and guns pouring across the border from the US into Canada.
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President Donald Trump claims he's targeting Canada with punishing tariffs on all our goods because he's concerned about the country's supposedly lax approach to fentanyl and migrants.
But new data from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) shows Canada has a reason to worry about what's pouring in from the U.S.
There's been an influx of illegal American drugs and guns, which experts and law enforcement say are fuelling crime, death and addiction on this side of the border, too.
CBSA is seizing many more drugs, prohibited weapons and firearms than they were just two years ago, according to figures compiled by the border agency and shared with CBC News.
More at the above link
So... according to what you've stated, you'd have no problem with these American smugglers being executed on the spot as they cross into Canada. Alright, duly noted.
There's been an influx of illegal American drugs and guns, which experts and law enforcement say are fuelling crime, death and addiction on this side of the border, too. CBSA is seizing many more drugs, prohibited weapons and firearms than they were just two years ago, according to figures compiled by the border agency and shared with CBC News.
I have heard of exactly zero people being arrested (which was one of the caveats that I mentioned about Ray's "Miami boat people" - being easy targets for arrest, if they were under suspicion. The Venezualien "fisherman", not so much.)
But they were just as likely to be Canadian - or maybe Hispanic - anyway. If they were Americans, our press - or especially YOUR press - would be bleating about it incessantly, for one reason or another and, of course, blaming it on Trump.
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So... according to what you've stated, you'd have no problem with these American smugglers being executed on the spot as they cross into Canada. Alright, duly noted.
So nice of you to presume that I'd have no problem.
But it's still a moot point. Nothing much is going to happen. I'm not going to play "what if". Your toothless government isn't going to do anything but piss and moan about Trump. At least you come by your TDS honestly. When your "leaders" decide to get off their asses and actually do something - other than oppress their own citizens in day-to-day life - let me know.
Edit - So what does your "immigrant" situation look like, these days? I wonder how many of our criminal immigrants have moved on to greener (if not colder) pastures. Probably bringing a portal to the pipeline with them, I would suppose.
You guys have fun with them. We've had enough, as you may have noticed.
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I have heard of exactly zero people being arrested...
Well, that settles it then... no Americans have ever been arrested for smuggling drugs and/or firearms into Canada.
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So nice of you to presume that I'd have no problem.
I presumed nothing. Read your own posts. Hell, I've already supplied links to them. It's what you've stated.
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When your "leaders" decide to get off their asses and actually do something - other than oppress their own citizens in day-to-day life - let me know.
LOL... "oppress". You know nothing about living in Canada and/or what the government here is doing.
Rather ironic that you would accuse Canada of oppressing its citizens when it's the US that has legions of private police patrolling its streets and exercising raids around the country.
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Your toothless government isn't going to do anything but piss and moan about Trump.
Toothless or not, it beats having a convicted felon and all his suck-ups in charge.
It's amazing the lengths Trump will go to distract the public from the Epstein files. Imagine, invading a country and kidnapping its president and his wife. There must be some juicy/incriminating Trump/Epstein stuff still hidden away... but for how much longer!
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Todd, don't worry about me. I'm not the one totally brainwashed into believing that the current US administration can do no wrong.
I'm not worried, because I think genuinely you're a good guy, but you tend to allow yourself to be driven by politics.
I would say though that the Democrats, and those that are very left-leaning, tend to consistently be on the wrong side of history.
Whether it's the Trail of Tears, the creation of the KKK and Jim Crowe laws, to being NAZI sympathizers during the war, to Agent Orange... even NVC sympathizers, to now defending narco terrorists... the Democrats constantly... constantly are on the wrong side of history. Almost every single time.
Do you think history, 40 years from now, will look upon the capture of Maduro as a bad thing, or a thing that eventually brought peace to Venezuela?
Do you think in 10 years, anyone will even be talking about these drug boats being shot out of the water? It's Democrat fodder that's completely irrelevant and not even news-worthy... it's merely just to make people like you and Ray get worked up.
...but you tend to allow yourself to be driven by politics.
Oh damn, you were doing so well for about two seconds.
Todd, nobody but nobody is more "driven by politics" in this forum than you are. However, I don't honestly believe that you have such poor personal insight that you can't see this.... so come on, forget about repeating this nonsense over and over again here.
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Do you think history, 40 years from now, will look upon the capture of Maduro as a bad thing, or a thing that eventually brought peace to Venezuela?
I think a much better question would be... Do you think history, 40 years from now, will look upon the presidency of Donald Trump as a good thing, or a thing that eventually brought turmoil to the world?
By acting in this manner, Trump has "justified" Russia's invasion of Ukraine, he's "justified" the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel, and he's "justified" the future invasion of Taiwan by mainland China.
Basically, the signal has been given by Trump that from this point forward, stronger countries can act arbitrarily towards their weaker neighbors with impunity.
So this goes far beyond what has happened, and/or what will happen in Venezuela. It sets a terrible precedent that could have serious ramifications worldwide for decades.
I think a much better question would be... Do you think history, 40 years from now, will look upon the presidency of Donald Trump as a good thing, or a thing that eventually brought turmoil to the world?
I think when we're all dead, Trump will likely be looked upon in a very similar way to how Teddy Roosevelt is viewed... a loose canon who's allies and enemies feared him, but that implemented very pro-American policies. Also... president during COVID. I also think Joe Biden will be looked upon as "that guy that had dementia in office" with basically nothing else worth mentioning except maybe the disastrous pullout of Afghanistan. Obama will be known as the first African American president, and catching Osama Bin Laden, and Bush will be known as the president during 9/11, and who started the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I think when we're all dead, Trump will likely be looked upon in a very similar way to how Teddy Roosevelt is viewed... a loose canon who's allies and enemies feared him, but that implemented very pro-American policies.
IMO, you paint a far too positive image of Trump (not a surprise, of course)... but in all honesty, the story is yet to be written. Let's see what's in those unredacted Epstein files. Could be very telling in regards to how Trump will actually be viewed, both presently, and years from now.
When you've got nothing else, just fall back on that.
When your glorious leader puts so much time and effort into hiding these files, redacting what is released, and providing major distractions... ya gotta wonder why! Well, maybe you don't, but non MAGA-zealots are certainly interested in knowing the truth of the matter.
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IMO, you paint a far too positive image of Trump (not a surprise, of course)... but in all honesty, the story is yet to be written. Let's see what's in those unredacted Epstein files. Could be very telling in regards to how Trump will actually be viewed, both presently, and years from now.
Unless you've done something incredibly awful, most former presidents are looked upon in a mostly-fond light.
Unfortunately for Biden, there isn't anything at all that he did or enacted during his term that stands the test of time, or is even noteworthy. Quite frankly, the only "big thing" during his administration was the pull-out of Afghanistan, which was a horrendous failure by anyone's account. I mean, I can't really think of anything else. The Build Back Better or Inflation Reduction Act... neither of those were particularly meaningful (in most cases, they did the exact opposite of what they were called), and have largely already been forgotten.
But yes, Trump still has 3 more years... and it remains to be seen what he does from there.
I used to be all up on the Epstein stuff, but it occured to me... no criminal keeps a neat tally of all the crimes that are committed... there's no reason Epstein would either. His "black book" had already been released over 7 years ago, and while there are clearly some people being protected... I'm not sure it's the selatious bombshell we know it to be. I think we already know that Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew likely did stuff... there's a lot of corroborating evidence to point to that. I'm sure there's more people... but honestly, the Biden administration and the Democrats have already looked at all this information (they had access to it). If there was something really bad on Trump, don't you think they would have released it to try to prevent him from winning the election?
As I said... I don't think there's really anything much there except the what and how... and maybe a couple of who's that we don't know about (that are less important).
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... If there was something really bad on Trump, don't you think they would have released it to try to prevent him from winning the election?
People keep forgetting this. Or, more likely, maybe they just want it so badly that they can taste it.
What's Joe Biden got to do with the price of tea in China? Is this the best that MAGA zealots can do in a desperate attempt to prop up Donald Trump? Continually bringing up an ex-President who should've been in a seniors facility years ago?
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...the Biden administration and the Democrats have already looked at all this information (they had access to it). If there was something really bad on Trump, don't you think they would have released it to try to prevent him from winning the election?
We've been down this road before, but I'll repeat what I've posted previously. There are no doubt Democrats implicated in these files as well as Republicans. I suspect a decision was made by Democrat Party leaders to keep the files under wraps to protect their own, thus sacrificing the opportunity to reveal Trump's indiscretions. The Democrats probably thought they could win the last election without releasing what they knew about Trump and Epstein. Turns out of course, that this was a major blunder on their part.
For the record... I'd like to see the Epstein files fully revealed, with political party affiliation playing no part in who is publicly named.
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I don't think there's really anything much there except the what and how... and maybe a couple of who's that we don't know about (that are less important).
Wishful thinking on your part, but obviously Trump has his own reservations... hence the army of lawyers that have been put to work redacting anything in these files to do with him.
Maybe have a gander at 
There must be some juicy/incriminating Trump/Epstein stuff still hidden away... but for how much longer! 
