Can someone explain to me how Don can promise savings of 500, 800, 1000, 1500 percent on prescription drug prices? By my calculations, that would mean the drug manufacturer would give the consumer the drug for free and also pay them 4,7, 9, 14 times the cost of the drug.
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Can someone explain to me how Don can promise savings of 500, 800, 1000, 1500 percent on prescription drug prices? By my calculations, that would mean the drug manufacturer would give the consumer the drug for free and also pay them 4,7, 9, 14 times the cost of the drug.
There it is !
Percentages. Also called per centum. one one-hundredth part; 1/100.
Can someone explain to me how Don can promise savings of 500, 800, 1000, 1500 percent on prescription drug prices? By my calculations, that would mean the drug manufacturer would give the consumer the drug for free and also pay them 4,7, 9, 14 times the cost of the drug.
It depends entirely on which drugs are being discussed. President Trump often speaks in generalities, which Democrats often use to argue the semantics for. There is a massive trade deficit as it applies to pharmaceuticals, which you can read about here: https://www.fool.com/resear...cal-tariffs-imports/
The tariffs go both ways in many cases, but more often than not, we're having to import more than we export... though that is improving. The FDA also plays a large part in some of the prices that we're paying, which I would honestly say has a lot to do with lobbying from the pharmaceutical companies, rather than anything specifically political.
Of course, some drugs you cannot get a generic because the patent-period has not run out, but... I'm glad he's working on this... it's a pretty big expense since we're such an unhealthy and obese nation.
Can someone explain to me how Don can promise savings of 500, 800, 1000, 1500 percent on prescription drug prices?
Mike, you got your answer from two of Trump's biggest supporters at this forum. One member appears to have the same math skills as Trump ... while the other has the same deflection skills as Trump, totally ignoring your actual question and going off in an entirely different direction.
So Mike, to answer to your question... Trump can promise anything he pleases, as his supporters will accept any cockamamie idea/statement he comes up with.
Mike, you got your answer from two of Trump's biggest supporters at this forum. One member appears to have the same math skills as Trump ... while the other has the same deflection skills as Trump, totally ignoring your actual question and going off in an entirely different direction.
So Mike, to answer to your question... Trump can promise anything he pleases, as his supporters will accept any cockamamie idea/statement he comes up with.
The math error I kinda sorta understand. Deflection…not so much. I thought it was a simple question.
Mike, you got your answer from two of Trump's biggest supporters at this forum. One member appears to have the same math skills as Trump ... while the other has the same deflection skills as Trump, totally ignoring your actual question and going off in an entirely different direction.
So Mike, to answer to your question... Trump can promise anything he pleases, as his supporters will accept any cockamamie idea/statement he comes up with.
It wasn't a real question he was asking. It was based purely on emotion and his frustration, but I still chose to try to answer it in a reasonable manner.
What I will tell you though (since none of this seems important to you)... the Democrat party is in shambles. They have the worst approval rating in over 30 years. The last administration is almost unanimously viewed by all except radical leftists as a complete and utter failure. It honestly looks like entire generations are swearing off the party for good. There's even a distinct a possibility that it might split permanently between Socialists and old Democrats. I'm praying every night for Mandami to win the NYC election so NYC can fully experience the excitement of socialism (which I will no doubt benefit from as they will all move to Florida, and I own 3 properties in the state).
I should probably be enjoying this... but to an extent, I actually feel sorry for you guys.
Can someone explain to me how Don can promise savings of 500, 800, 1000, 1500 percent on prescription drug prices? By my calculations, that would mean the drug manufacturer would give the consumer the drug for free and also pay them 4,7, 9, 14 times the cost of the drug.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It wasn't a real question he was asking. It was based purely on emotion and his frustration, but I still chose to try to answer it in a reasonable manner.
What I will tell you though (since none of this seems important to you)... the Democrat party is in shambles. They have the worst approval rating in over 30 years. The last administration is almost unanimously viewed by all except radical leftists as a complete and utter failure. It honestly looks like entire generations are swearing off the party for good. There's even a distinct a possibility that it might split permanently between Socialists and old Democrats. I'm praying every night for Mandami to win the NYC election so NYC can fully experience the excitement of socialism (which I will no doubt benefit from as they will all move to Florida, and I own 3 properties in the state).
I should probably be enjoying this... but to an extent, I actually feel sorry for you guys.
Thank you for your sympathy, Todd, but I really don’t need it.
I asked a real question. It wasn’t based on emotion or my frustration. And no, you didn’t try to answer, you went off on a tangent as you have done before.
What I don’t understand is how you (you seem to be reasonably intelligent) think that everything Don says is gospel. Surely you can see that many of the things he says and does are emotionally based. He lashes out at anyone who criticises him. When he is proven wrong, he doubles, triples, or quadruples down and continues to espouse false or incorrect statements. Doesn’t it concern you at least a little?
BTW, I’m not a Mandami supporter. I suspect that if the choices were better, he wouldn’t be the designated candidate. But even if he is elected, I don’t foresee dramatic issues for NYC. I DO expect to see Republicans try to sew discontent. It’s been in the Republican playbook since Newt Gingrich’s Contract on America.
Thank you for your sympathy, Todd, but I really don’t need it.
I asked a real question. It wasn’t based on emotion or my frustration. And no, you didn’t try to answer, you went off on a tangent as you have done before.
What I don’t understand is how you (you seem to be reasonably intelligent) think that everything Don says is gospel. Surely you can see that many of the things he says and does are emotionally based. He lashes out at anyone who criticises him. When he is proven wrong, he doubles, triples, or quadruples down and continues to espouse false or incorrect statements. Doesn’t it concern you at least a little?
BTW, I’m not a Mandami supporter. I suspect that if the choices were better, he wouldn’t be the designated candidate. But even if he is elected, I don’t foresee dramatic issues for NYC. I DO expect to see Republicans try to sew discontent. It’s been in the Republican playbook since Newt Gingrich’s Contract on America.
Your question wasn't real. It's not about topic or content, it's about satiating your TDS. I made the [incorrect] assumption that you wanted an answer on how the U.S. might be able to lower drug prices.
You say "What I don’t understand is how you think that everything Don says is gospel."
I don't, but you apparently do, it seems? I'd never even heard that small interview snippet... which means it probably wasn't important to most people. Trump bloviates. He's a New Yorker, it's what they do, and it's something he does. It doesn't mean I take that as gospel. The math obviously doesn't work. Since we're talking about gospel, if I look at the Bible, there are two books of Genesis that presumably contradict themselves. Do I take both to be fact, or do I understand the message that's being conveyed here?
My understanding of what's being done is more than skin deep, meanwhile, you seem to be living off negative soundbites. To you, this is all about Trump and your obsession with him. To me, this is about fixing the problems in America. The weird thing is, you are obsessed with Trump, yet you think that I (or others) are also obsessed with Trump. You really do not understand the middle-center and general conservative mind. Trump is a means to an end, and to a degree, rather entertaining. I can absolutely speak for everyone else here who's of my same mindset, Blackrams, Raydar, Randye, etc., and say that they feel the same way I do about him. I'd be willing to bet.
Todd, Todd, Todd. I get it. It’s hard to convince someone that sees things differently that you are right and only your view point is valid. I think this is really upsetting to you so to help you I’m going to say you win. You’ve really put me in my place and helped me understand the answer to my question. Thank you. I’m now ready to give my life to the MAGA-sphere.
Why could I not see this before? It’s all so clear now. Maybe now I can get over my TDS.
Can anyone tell me where I can get my red MAGA hat?
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Todd, Todd, Todd. I get it. It’s hard to convince someone that sees things differently that you are right and only your view point is valid. I think this is really upsetting to you so to help you I’m going to say you win. You’ve really put me in my place and helped me understand the answer to my question. Thank you. I’m now ready to give my life to the MAGA-sphere.
Why could I not see this before? It’s all so clear now. Maybe now I can get over my TDS.
Can anyone tell me where I can get my red MAGA hat?
Again, you're still going on about Trump / MAGA. I would vote Uranus Party if tomorrow they had a candidate who could win and said they were going to streamline the government and reduce bureaucracy.
This isn't about me... it has nothing to do with me. My viewpoints and this discussion doesn't have to be a win or lose concept. That you're thinking about it in this manner is in my opinion, completely wrong. I answered your inauthentic question with a real answer. Any frustration you feel right now has nothing at all to do with me, it has to do with your stress and angst towards the fact that President Trump is president and you feel a lack of control... I don't know, I'm just guessing, help me out here. For the overwhelming vast majority of us, Trump is just a means to an end-goal. It's not about him...
Again, you're still going on about Trump / MAGA. I would vote Uranus Party if tomorrow they had a candidate who could win and said they were going to streamline the government and reduce bureaucracy.
This isn't about me... it has nothing to do with me. My viewpoints and this discussion doesn't have to be a win or lose concept. That you're thinking about it in this manner is in my opinion, completely wrong. I answered your inauthentic question with a real answer. Any frustration you feel right now has nothing at all to do with me, it has to do with your stress and angst towards the fact that President Trump is president and you feel a lack of control... I don't know, I'm just guessing, help me out here. For the overwhelming vast majority of us, Trump is just a means to an end-goal. It's not about him...
Again, Todd, you’re projecting and deflecting.
I don’t feel frustrated with anything other than your attempt at convincing me that I am unhappy with President Trump. That’s a given. Many people are, MAGA included, and it’s ok to voice that. It’s ok to ask the hard questions about why he’s doing certain things. It’s ok to question the calibre of his appointees. What concerns me is how focused you are on convincing me I’m wrong.
You are so concerned that I’m a left leaning, liberal Democrat who would support a communist/socialist platform. I’m not. I’m a moderate centrist.
You are so wrought up over this, I’m beginning to worry. I think you are a closet liberal. It’s ok to have those feelings Just don’t try to pin labels on people by your comments.
As I’ve done before, I’m ending my responses in this discussion thread. It’s not serving any purpose any longer.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Your question wasn't real. It's not about topic or content, it's about satiating your TDS. I made the [incorrect] assumption that you wanted an answer on how the U.S. might be able to lower drug prices.
You say "What I don’t understand is how you think that everything Don says is gospel."
I don't, but you apparently do, it seems? I'd never even heard that small interview snippet... which means it probably wasn't important to most people. Trump bloviates. He's a New Yorker, it's what they do, and it's something he does. It doesn't mean I take that as gospel. The math obviously doesn't work. Since we're talking about gospel, if I look at the Bible, there are two books of Genesis that presumably contradict themselves. Do I take both to be fact, or do I understand the message that's being conveyed here?
My understanding of what's being done is more than skin deep, meanwhile, you seem to be living off negative soundbites. To you, this is all about Trump and your obsession with him. To me, this is about fixing the problems in America. The weird thing is, you are obsessed with Trump, yet you think that I (or others) are also obsessed with Trump. You really do not understand the middle-center and general conservative mind. Trump is a means to an end, and to a degree, rather entertaining. I can absolutely speak for everyone else here who's of my same mindset, Blackrams, Raydar, Randye, etc., and say that they feel the same way I do about him. I'd be willing to bet.
It is instructive to recall what journalist Selena Zito said in 2016:
"The press, (the Left), takes him, (Trump), literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”
This is why Leftoids will "literally" nitpick over misstated percentages while ignoring the crux of the statement on lowering drug prices.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Again, Todd, you’re projecting and deflecting.
I don’t feel frustrated with anything other than your attempt at convincing me that I am unhappy with President Trump. That’s a given. Many people are, MAGA included, and it’s ok to voice that. It’s ok to ask the hard questions about why he’s doing certain things. It’s ok to question the calibre of his appointees. What concerns me is how focused you are on convincing me I’m wrong.
You are so concerned that I’m a left leaning, liberal Democrat who would support a communist/socialist platform. I’m not. I’m a moderate centrist.
You are so wrought up over this, I’m beginning to worry. I think you are a closet liberal. It’s ok to have those feelings Just don’t try to pin labels on people by your comments.
As I’ve done before, I’m ending my responses in this discussion thread. It’s not serving any purpose any longer.
I've asked before, but you've not answered. Before you run away again, can you please answer? Can you please tell me exactly what it is you think I'm projecting?
Being completely honest with you... this entire response from you appears to be projection. I'm not concerned at all that you're left leaning. But you asked a question, and I responded to it.
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Originally posted by randye: It is instructive to recall what journalist Selena Zito said in 2016:
"The press, (the Left), takes him, (Trump), literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”
This is why Leftoids will "literally" nitpick over misstated percentages while ignoring the crux of the statement on lowering drug prices.
The question is... do they realize they're doing this? Or is it a desperate attempt to find failure?
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:
Thanks, Randye. That is the one of the most succinct responses and answers I’ve ever seen on this forum.
It's odd to me that you've singled me out as the one you want to focus on. It's pretty obvious what you've done here... not sure why you view me as your toughest critic... it's not intentional. Neither Blackrams or Randye agree with you, though I'm sure either one would give you a beer if you came into town, same as I. This weird thing where you try to "befriend your enemy" while focusing on me is really, really, strange.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... The weird thing is, you are obsessed with Trump, yet you think that I (or others) are also obsessed with Trump. You really do not understand the middle-center and general conservative mind. Trump is a means to an end, and to a degree, rather entertaining. I can absolutely speak for everyone else here who's of my same mindset, Blackrams, Raydar, Randye, etc., and say that they feel the same way I do about him. I'd be willing to bet.
Heh... pretty accurate. I certainly don't agree with everything that Trump has done, and is doing. But most of it is spot-on. Yeah, he's full of bluster. As mentioned, he's a New Yorker. To his core. And he loves to troll people. Do I take him seriously? Not always. I am of the "wait and see" mindset. But I do believe that he is trying to do the right thing for us as a nation, and for its people. A damn sight better than Brandon and his handlers could have even thought about doing.
I think it's freaking hilarious when he comes out with something, and everyone on the left starts spinning on their eyebrows. The "crisis du jour". Jeez people, get a freakin' life.
Heh... pretty accurate. I certainly don't agree with everything that Trump has done, and is doing. But most of it is spot-on. Yeah, he's full of bluster. As mentioned, he's a New Yorker. To his core. And he loves to troll people. Do I take him seriously? Not always. I am of the "wait and see" mindset. But I do believe that he is trying to do the right thing for us as a nation, and for its people. A damn sight better than Brandon and his handlers could have even thought about doing.
I think it's freaking hilarious when he comes out with something, and everyone on the left starts spinning on their eyebrows. The "crisis du jour". Jeez people, get a freakin' life.
I sometimes wonder if he does it on purpose... because whether the left realizes it or not, they end up carrying his message. I've still not seen the whole 500 / 1000% thing... it seems like most people don't care that he exaggerated it. But people like Patrick and Mike, they're literally carrying Trump's water by spreading the news that Trump plans to lower drug prices. Trump either continues to get repeatedly lucky, or he's incredibly smart and does this on purpose. He says things that makes the left just totally go insane, and then in an attempt to make Trump look bad, they end up spreading his message.
When he got elected in 2016, I wonder how much he spent on his campaign. I suspect that he didn't have to spend much, because the press was up his posterior at every available opportunity. They were so sure that he was just a flash in the pan that they just couldn't leave him alone. It was all "Trump did this... - 24/7". Some people would compare it to watching a train wreck. But in reality, the whole thing was like a train wreck. And they got him elected. (TBH. Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment was the cherry on the top. It may have mobilized a few thousand - or a few tens of thousands - of people who possibly would have sat on the sidelines, up until then. When they heard that they were like, "Oh HELL no!") And the Dems have mostly continued to shoot themselves squarely in the foot, ever since.
I sometimes wonder if he does it on purpose... because whether the left realizes it or not, they end up carrying his message. I've still not seen the whole 500 / 1000% thing... it seems like most people don't care that he exaggerated it. But people like Patrick and Mike, they're literally carrying Trump's water by spreading the news that Trump plans to lower drug prices. Trump either continues to get repeatedly lucky, or he's incredibly smart and does this on purpose. He says things that makes the left just totally go insane, and then in an attempt to make Trump look bad, they end up spreading his message.
For the record... I'm not trying to irritate you (Mike), though I suspect that's the only reason why you and Patrick are here. The way I perceive you and Patrick being here in this forum is... Trump is in office, things are going his way, it's affecting you personally, you're not happy about it, and you don't know what else to do, and perhaps you're trying to make yourself feel better by trolling those of us here who voted for him.
OMG... Todd, reading your posts is like watching an accident unfold in slow motion. As much as I might feel for the individual(s) involved, there's nothing I can do to prevent the looming misfortune from occurring.
I'm not religious at all... but when I see what's happening in the US with MAGA supporters, an old Bible quote comes to mind... "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."
I can't speak for anyone but myself... but I suppose the reason why I post about Trump here, is to remind the half dozen participants of P&R that there are indeed still people out there who haven't fallen for the deception. Oh, that and the fact that Trump is a narcissistic, vindictive POS who seems to have some sort of personal grudge against Canada.
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OMG... Todd, reading your posts is like watching an accident unfold in slow motion. As much as I might feel for the individual(s) involved, there's nothing I can do to prevent the looming misfortune from occurring.
I'm not religious at all... but when I see what's happening in the US with MAGA supporters, an old Bible quote comes to mind... "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."
I can't speak for anyone but myself... but I suppose the reason why I post about Trump here, is to remind the half dozen participants of P&R that there are indeed still people out there who haven't fallen for the deception. Oh, that and the fact that Trump is a narcissistic, vindictive POS who seems to have some sort of personal grudge against Canada.
Not sure what you mean by an accident unfolding in slow motion. I'm also not sure what you think is going to happen either... or what you think is happening to "MAGA supporters?" But I suspect you won't tell me; it'll just be more trolling.
The United States voted for this, and I'm VERY pleased with what he's been doing. To be completely honest, I regrettably take some pleasure in the sorrow that a lot of very left-leaning liberals are going through right now. I go to Democratic Underground, and honestly... the despair and emotional breakdowns I read... it does make me a little happy, and I feel bad for that. I recognize fully though that the left has absolutely no sympathy for anyone. They brainwash themselves to believe everything they do is righteous, and they want nothing but pain and suffering to everyone who disagrees with them.
Why they're upset is that they're seeing the carefully crafted and hard-fought walls they put up, crumbling down. The ideology they've built for almost a generation has fallen faster than the Berlin wall. Everything from DEI to trans propaganda, are falling apart. The Democrats went so overboard, that they literally just lost Generation Z as I outlined in that other e-mail.
I don't know that you or Mike really care one way or another about trans issues, or DEI, or anything like that. But what I can speculate is that your identity... your "personality" has become your politics. This is FAR more prevalent on the left than it is on the right. That's because you're more likely to be an atheist if you're on the left... and humanity has a propensity to absorb some aspect of faith into "something." For most on the right, that's religion (particularly true of Hispanic and black minorities). But for the left, this often becomes their religion. It is for that reason that they are so much more affected when their party loses, or when their party fails at something ... they take it personally.
It's extremely rare, to see a Republican or Conservative cry when their presidential candidate loses... I'll say it's even unhealthy. But when a Democrat loses and a Republican wins... there's almost universal crying, tears, and everyone thinks the world is over. This is because of exactly what I said... for people on the left, politics becomes their personality. Respectfully Patrick... for you and Mike, it's clear that your political identity is WHO you are. As for Canada... they've been pulling US product off the shelves... particularly liquor. No one in the United States is doing that, because we generally don't do that. Canada has actually made it a policy in most of their provinces. Canada will eventually come around and we'll make a deal.
Serious question, can you tell me what exactly it is that I'm projecting?
Here's a perfect example. But of course, you won't/can't acknowledge this. No, I'm not being "mean", I'm not trying to be "annoying", I'm not "trolling" you. However, your total lack of personal introspection is truly mind boggling.
Originally posted by Patrick: So Mike, to answer to your question... Trump can promise anything he pleases, as his supporters will accept any cockamamie idea/statement he comes up with.
Here's a perfect example. But of course, you won't/can't acknowledge this. No, I'm not being "mean", I'm not trying to be "annoying", I'm not "trolling" you. However, your total lack of personal introspection is truly mind boggling.
That's just it Patrick... my politics are NOT my religion. It's not who I am, and it's not something I really think about day in and day out. It's only once in a while when I come on Pennocks (usually for something else, and see a response, or something really strikes me). Otherwise, I'm very A-political in how I lead my life. So this is not at all projecting. Me personally, I'm very religious... I think about God, and the church significantly more than I do anything to do with politics. It's a personal belief and I know both you and Mike are atheists, and most people have their own religious views, so I chose to not talk about my religion. It's something I'm so confident in, that it literally doesn't matter to me what others thing of it. That's who I am.
...my politics are NOT my religion. It's not who I am, and it's not something I really think about day in and day out.
There's nobody on PFF who posts more strongly held political opinions than you, yet you've asserted time and time again that other PFF members' "political identity" is WHO they are. This is exactly what "projection" is all about. Consciously or unconsciously, you can't bear to admit to yourself (and/or to members here) that politics is a big deal for you. I don't care that it is, but don't try telling me that politics is who I am... when I'm here in P&R just to post what a dick that Donald Trump is.
There's nobody on PFF who posts more strongly held political opinions than you, yet you've asserted time and time again that other PFF members' "political identity" is WHO they are. This is exactly what "projection" is all about. Consciously or unconsciously, you can't bear to admit to yourself (and/or to members here) that politics is a big deal for you. I don't care that it is, but don't try telling me that politics is who I am... when I'm here in P&R just to post what a dick that Donald Trump is.
Patrick, I'm going to have to concur with JDV here. What you view of me as having "strongly held opinions" has more to do with the way I convey myself in text. I try to be very thorough, very concise, and I know I type a lot more than I generally should about any topic. Looking at my technical posts, I put the same level of thought and effort into them as well. What I'm saying is, don't mistake my presentation for some kind of political ideological infatuation. I'll put the same level of effort into a post about the Atari 2600 as I will any of these topics. These topics in particular just happen to engage you a different way. For me, discussion like this is partly how I learn / grow my thoughts on a subject ... this is why I often get frustrated by many of the posts that you and Mike make, because they tend to be devoid of content. Instead they're usually based almost entirely on emotion... while never really discussing any content or context at all. Case in point, this is one of the reasons why I really enjoyed discussing topics with Rinselberg. While I disagreed with him on most things, he never hesitated to take the time to explain things in detail, and we often ended up seeing eye to eye on quite a few things... which he very happily would repeat to others in discussion, hahah.
You use P&R as an outlet for you to express your emotions towards Trump... as you've literally stated above. Then ironically, you state that I'm the one being emotional and projecting my emotion onto you. This is effectively the exact same thing that Mike from Sydney does, and then runs away when I start debating him. I like deep contextual discussions... that's who I am. I think I speak for most people here when I say, I'd much prefer you put the same level of effort into your P&R posts as you do your technical posts. You've told us now many, many times that you don't like Trump... let's discuss the actual issues. That's what I assume this forum section to be for.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Patrick, I'm going to have to concur with JDV here. What you view of me as having "strongly held opinions" has more to do with the way I convey myself in text. I try to be very thorough, very concise, and I know I type a lot more than I generally should about any topic. Looking at my technical posts, I put the same level of thought and effort into them as well. What I'm saying is, don't mistake my presentation for some kind of political ideological infatuation. I'll put the same level of effort into a post about the Atari 2600 as I will any of these topics. These topics in particular just happen to engage you a different way. For me, discussion like this is partly how I learn / grow my thoughts on a subject ... this is why I often get frustrated by many of the posts that you and Mike make, because they tend to be devoid of content. Instead they're usually based almost entirely on emotion... while never really discussing any content or context at all. Case in point, this is one of the reasons why I really enjoyed discussing topics with Rinselberg. While I disagreed with him on most things, he never hesitated to take the time to explain things in detail, and we often ended up seeing eye to eye on quite a few things... which he very happily would repeat to others in discussion, hahah.
You use P&R as an outlet for you to express your emotions towards Trump... as you've literally stated above. Then ironically, you state that I'm the one being emotional and projecting my emotion onto you. This is effectively the exact same thing that Mike from Sydney does, and then runs away when I start debating him. I like deep contextual discussions... that's who I am. I think I speak for most people here when I say, I'd much prefer you put the same level of effort into your P&R posts as you do your technical posts. You've told us now many, many times that you don't like Trump... let's discuss the actual issues. That's what I assume this forum section to be for.
For goodness sakes, Todd. Give it a rest. You go on and on and on and repeat the same stuff. You just wear me down and I get tired of reading and responding to your posts so I have to draw the line at some point. So rather than tell you to STFU, I withdraw. If that makes you feel like you won the argument, that’s good. If it leaves you unfulfilled and you have to continually whine about how Patrick and I are using P&R to express our emotions towards Trump, that’s fine, too.
To me, you come across as a converted missionary trying to convert the masses. As proof of this, I call your attention to the fact that you have said on multiple occasions that the first time you voted in a Presidential election you voted for Bill Clinton and infer that after that you only voted for Republican candidates. I just want you to know, I don’t need converting.
I will give you this, you are good at making me go back on my plan not to respond to you. I’ll have to work harder on that.
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...this is one of the reasons why I really enjoyed discussing topics with Rinselberg. While I disagreed with him on most things, he never hesitated to take the time to explain things in detail, and we often ended up seeing eye to eye on quite a few things... which he very happily would repeat to others in discussion, hahah.
And where did that get him? I'll tell you where... treated like absolute sh!t by select friends of yours here... just like he/they did to dratts and JazzMan.
There's no point going into detail about anything in P&R. It's not like it gains any measure of respect by the usual suspects.
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: For goodness sakes, Todd. Give it a rest. You go on and on and on and repeat the same stuff. You just wear me down and I get tired of reading and responding to your posts so I have to draw the line at some point. So rather than tell you to STFU, I withdraw. If that makes you feel like you won the argument, that’s good. If it leaves you unfulfilled and you have to continually whine about how Patrick and I are using P&R to express our emotions towards Trump, that’s fine, too.
To me, you come across as a converted missionary trying to convert the masses. As proof of this, I call your attention to the fact that you have said on multiple occasions that the first time you voted in a Presidential election you voted for Bill Clinton and infer that after that you only voted for Republican candidates. I just want you to know, I don’t need converting.
I will give you this, you are good at making me go back on my plan not to respond to you. I’ll have to work harder on that.
And where did that get him? I'll tell you where... treated like absolute sh!t by select friends of yours here... just like he/they did to dratts and JazzMan.
There's no point going into detail about anything in P&R. It's not like it gains any measure of respect by the usual suspects.
Well, Rinse and I both had really good conversations... and we'd PM occasionally too. I miss the guy.
But as I've explained before... I am not the leader of all who proclaim to be conservative, independent, or Republican on Pennock's. Everyone here is a totally separate person. You always seemed to get upset at me for things that other people did to others... and I never really understood that. Either way, when I have time, I'm here to engage in topic discussion if you want.
Good to know... my friends are research scientists, car people, football staff, and my neighbors. Most of them are left-leaning. I have no drug lords, pimps, or ladies of the night that I keep in my company.
... while the other has the same deflection skills as Trump, totally ignoring your actual question and going off in an entirely different direction. 
