Just curious...What are the thought of Trump supporters in regards to firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics when Trump and his top aides used to be too happy to praise the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics?
My thoughts are that there's so much biased press, I believe very little that put out there. I assume DJT had a valid reason to terminate her services. He is the "Boss" after all. We really don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
Just curious...What are the thought of Trump supporters in regards to firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics when Trump and his top aides used to be too happy to praise the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics?
I heard that she was a leftover Biden appointee. That's was one of Trumps largest issues during his first term. He left people in place, assuming (hoping?) that they were trustworthy. Bit him in the ass. Ended up having to fire many/most of them. This is no different. If he found her untrustworthy... AMF.
But again, it's his call. Of course, his detractors are going to b!tch about anything they can.
I heard that she was a leftover Biden appointee. That's was one of Trumps largest issues during his first term. He left people in place, assuming (hoping?) that they were trustworthy. Bit him in the ass. Ended up having to fire many/most of them. This is no different. If he found her untrustworthy... AMF.
But again, it's his call. Of course, his detractors are going to b!tch about anything they can.
SSDD.
Not contesting that Trump has the ability to change out personnel. I contend that his timing is poor.
Many times when things go south, Trump claims things are “rigged” to make him look bad. To use a quote that’s been attributed to Sigmund Freud, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” In other words, sometimes, even if you don’t like them, the facts are true.
Biden appointee. Don't care. Every single one of them needs to be fired.
Doug, Just trying to understand, here. It was O.K. to keep qualified Trump appointees in place during the Biden administration but it’s not O.K. to keep qualified Biden appointees. Is that your premise?
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Doug, Just trying to understand, here. It was O.K. to keep qualified Trump appointees in place during the Biden administration but it’s not O.K. to keep qualified Biden appointees. Is that your premise?
Mike, I am a proven good lay. Not every one likes my lay.
So, in the past, this same individual has grossly inflated job numbers prior to the 2024 election... and then had to revise down (SIGNIFICANTLY) once Biden or Kamala or whoever ran, actually lost. So she's not great, that's absolutely for sure. It's pretty easy to tell what the jobs numbers are, specifically because one of the hugest data points is the ADP job numbers, which is independent. These numbers were not great, and echoed some of the things that she had said; however, her numbers were for sure worse than they needed to be.
It should come as no shock though that we could be going into a recession. Tariffs, nearly 1 million Federal employees laid off, and a largely uncertain market. But the economy is surprisingly strong despite this. If we didn't have economic enthusiasm (despite the narrative the Democrats have tried to push in the media), things would be fairly bad right now. Once the trade agreements are made, the drain on our resources from illegal immigrants goes down significantly, and welfare reform takes place post FY updates in September, things should actually start picking up. And to that point... Trump has absolutely EVERY right to fire that person.
As President, I would likely fire every single Democrat that was currently holding a position of authority. To be completely honest, there should be absolutely no nominees of President Biden still in office right now. This is just normal... but the Executive Branch has grown so massive, that even THIS president has a hard time figuring out how many agencies there are. There are over 1000 under his authority... and half of them are still being run by Biden-appointees... which the senate is largely stonewalling the replacements.
Not contesting that Trump has the ability to change out personnel. I contend that his timing is poor. ...
You can "contend" whatever you like. The fact remains that this is his decision. Kind of like working at a company in an "at will" state. You can be fired for whatever reason - or none at all. I contend that, if she was doing a good job and not screwing with the numbers, (I had actually forgotten about all the "necessary revisions" during Bidens cluster... I mean "term") she might still be employed. I have absolutely zero doubt that she was trying to make Trump look bad. Appears that she got caught.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:
Doug, Just trying to understand, here. It was O.K. to keep qualified Trump appointees in place during the Biden administration but it’s not O.K. to keep qualified Biden appointees. Is that your premise?
Whatabout... whatabout... whatabout... ?
Again, that was Trump's mistake during the first rodeo. Keeping all of Obama's people in place. He's trying to prevent the similar scenario, this time. Wholesale replacements, at the outset, and then one arsehole at a time, as necessary.
Biden can do (and did) mostly whatever he wanted. He's ancient history at this point.
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Doug, Just trying to understand, here. It was O.K. to keep qualified Trump appointees in place during the Biden administration but it’s not O.K. to keep qualified Biden appointees. Is that your premise?
Obama and Biden appointees have been proven to actively undermine President Trump. I am unaware of any Trump appointee that tried to undermine Biden. If they did, they deserve to be fired too.
The President gets to choose who works for them, regardless of party.
Again, I’m not contesting that Trump has the ability to change out personnel. I am contending that his timing is poor. He always makes these personnel changes when things go south. He makes them known to everyone to show that he’s in control of something that he’s not. The only folks believing this are his MAGA base.
Trump claims things are “rigged” to make him look bad. That’s very possible. After all, politics is a nasty game full of lying and cheating. However, to use a quote again that’s been attributed to Sigmund Freud, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” In other words, sometimes, even if you don’t like them, the facts are true. Shooting the messenger won’t change them.
There is a simple explanation for why he fired her now. Trump complained about her during the campaign. After getting elected he has been busy. She slipped under the radar for several months. She just stepped in it again and reminded Trump that she is there so he fired her. It is as simple as that.
BTW, she sucks at her job. Her numbers can be off by as much as 90%.
There is a simple explanation for why he fired her now. Trump complained about her during the campaign. After getting elected he has been busy. She slipped under the radar for several months. She just stepped in it again and reminded Trump that she is there so he fired her. It is as simple as that.
BTW, she sucks at her job. Her numbers can be off by as much as 90%.
Doug, it’s not her numbers. They are numbers calculated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. You think she does the investigation, calculations, and predictions by herself? Not hardly.
The BLS is a non-partisan office. The numbers are calculated and reported to everyone. They are updated as new data comes in. It’s not unusual for previous estimates to be updated.
Don just happens to be the recipient of updated data. It shows things are not as rosy as he and his minions are saying.
Again, I’m not saying Don doesn’t have the right to change personnel, I’m saying he has terrible timing and sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar.
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: The only folks believing this are his MAGA base.
And ???
Who believed Biden did not have demention ? Who believed that Obama was the first black President ?
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: However, to use a quote again that’s been attributed to Sigmund Freud, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” In other words, sometimes, even if you don’t like them, the facts are true. Shooting the messenger won’t change them.
Doug, it’s not her numbers. They are numbers calculated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. You think she does the investigation, calculations, and predictions by herself? Not hardly.
The BLS is a non-partisan office. The numbers are calculated and reported to everyone. They are updated as new data comes in. It’s not unusual for previous estimates to be updated.
Don just happens to be the recipient of updated data. It shows things are not as rosy as he and his minions are saying.
Again, I’m not saying Don doesn’t have the right to change personnel, I’m saying he has terrible timing and sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar.
If she has no influence on the numbers then replacing her will also have no influence on the calculations either.
Why are you so upset about her firing if you believe the director of BLS has no influence on the numbers? Did you come to this conclusion yourself of was your opinion assigned to you by the media?
If she has no influence on the numbers then replacing her will also have no influence on the calculations either.
Why are you so upset about her firing if you believe the director of BLS has no influence on the numbers? Did you come to this conclusion yourself of was your opinion assigned to you by the media?
Doug, Cliff, et.al. I’m not upset by her firing. I’ve said several times Don has the right to fire who he wants. The point is he’s vindictive and tens to fire only when he perceives that he had been attacked or injured. It’s like he can’t handle criticism or truth - especially when his actions are questionable.
history at this point.
