When protests turn into riots, it is needed. There are arguments that it is much worse than just a riot. Foreign nationals illegally here are waving their foreign flags are assaulting law enforcement, vandalizing and looting. Would any of their home countries tolerate that? If they are so proud of their home countries, why are they demanding that they not be returned there?
When protests turn into riots, it is needed. There are arguments that it is much worse than just a riot. Foreign nationals illegally here are waving their foreign flags are assaulting law enforcement, vandalizing and looting. Would any of their home countries tolerate that? If they are so proud of their home countries, why are they demanding that they not be returned there?
But, Gov. Newsom says the NG were not needed and are only inciting more violence........................
The lack of support for ICE and his own citizens/LEOs is a bit surprising for me but, I'm not there. My son is a FF/Para-Medic with Memphis, a couple weeks ago there was a firefight between gangs right in front of his station. Automatic weapons were in use. They watched the majority of the conflict behind their bullet proof glass windows. When the PD finally arrived (after it was all over) the station crew responded. My son went to the first body to render aid. There was nothing he could do, the dude had 36 bullet holes with the last one fired into the dude's forehead. The other body had about 40 bullet wounds. The Director of the FBI tells us that Memphis is the Murder Capital of the US (per population). We all wish the TN NG would be deployed in certain parts of Memphis.
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------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
Society needs rules, without them we have what we have in LA. When those that are elected don't enforce those rules or chose to flat out break them we have what we are seeing now. This is my backyard, for now. Let's hope they don't burn it down. Let's hope those in charge don't consider Long Beach and acceptable loss. Going to go fuel up the cars after work. The governor should have ordered the NG to stop this before it got to this point. There is no acceptable loss in this "peaceful" protest. One fire in the wrong location and we could lose a lot more than some illegal trespassers and protesters that I suspect are also trespassers. Call it what it is, this is a war. These invaders you see setting fires and throwing rocks. They are not part of society, they are the issue.
There has got to be a better way. I have no problem with immigrants coming here and having a life, but I also want my neighbors to also be able to provide for their families. The contractor down the street says he is always getting out bid, the only way that happens is due to the cost of labor. It's time we made it fair across the board.
There has got to be a better way. I have no problem with immigrants coming here and having a life, but I also want my neighbors to also be able to provide for their families. The contractor down the street says he is always getting out bid, the only way that happens is due to the cost of labor. It's time we made it fair across the board.
I recently had a 30X40 ft metal shop erected, due to contractors on the concrete, it took a long time to get the concrete completed. I fired the first contractor because he lied and refuse to follow code and always took the easy way to get it done even though his way weaken the entire structure and would not pass code. Regardless, I ordered and paid for my building, the manufacturer would not produce the building until I sent them a picture of a finished slab. Well, that was finally accomplished. The crew arrived with my builder and not one of them spoke English. I called the company and they assured me that the crew was all legal but, I had no proof. I registered a complaint with the "company" but, I doubt it would make a difference. I can't tell you how frustrating it was to try and give instructions on things when both parties don't speak the same language. When I was in Korea, I learned enough Korean to get by. This crew should have had and English speaking team leader.
I also have no issues with "legal immigration". But, I had a hard time finding contractors who would provide proof their crews were "legal" immigrants. Rams
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Being able to speak Spanish does not always help. My manager was in an auto accident last year. A guy in a pickup truck changed lanes into her car and did significant damage. The lug nuts in the truck's wheels also embedded themselves into her car's wheels so both vehicles were stuck together in the middle of I-5. She rolled down her window and called out to him. He said he only spoke Spanish. My manager is Peruvian so she started talking to him in Spanish. He just rolled up his window and refused to talk. She legally immigrated and hates the illegals who jump the line.
Turns out he is an illegal alien driving his boss's work truck. He had no drivers license and could not show insurance but for some reason the CHP let him go anyway. Uninsured motorist will have to cover her car but she is out her deductible, the time and hassle it will take to get her car repaired. Ultimately everyone end up paying for the accident since that is how insurance works.
Long story short, when it fits their needs, some people will use the language barrier to their advantage.
Honestly, I'm not in favor of using active duty troops for riot control. La has a huge police force and Calif Nat Guard. They need to handle their own problems.
Originally posted by maryjane: Honestly, I'm not in favor of using active duty troops for riot control.
Why not ?
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Originally posted by maryjane: La has a huge police force and Calif Nat Guard. They need to handle their own problems.
The police force was decimated with the "de-fund the police" movement. The police force did not "nip it in the bud" when the riots first started. Even the LA police chief said they were overwhelmed. What about the large other areas where the police were needed to protect and serve. Gavin Newscum did not mobilize California's National Guard. Californians largely (it seems) do not want ICE to deport "illegal aliens" (correct definition per the US Constitution) because they are a sanctuary State and Cities.
The problem they are trying to solve is to get a higher body count, Legal or illegal. To increase their representation in the US Congress.
Now Newscum is suing the US Government foe violating their sovereignty. Which is what happened that started the Civil War. And also enforcing the Civil Rights act which allowed black people to go to white schools, and colleges.
The police force was decimated with the "de-fund the police" movement. The police force did not "nip it in the bud" when the riots first started. Even the LA police chief said they were overwhelmed. What about the large other areas where the police were needed to protect and serve. Gavin Newscum did not mobilize California's National Guard. Californians largely (it seems) do not want ICE to deport "illegal aliens" (correct definition per the US Constitution) because they are a sanctuary State and Cities.
The problem they are trying to solve is to get a higher body count, Legal or illegal. To increase their representation in the US Congress.
Now Newscum is suing the US Government foe violating their sovereignty. Which is what happened that started the Civil War. And also enforcing the Civil Rights act which allowed black people to go to white schools, and colleges.
Some times you do whet you have to do.
decimated MEANS REDUCED BY 1/10 ALL ARE BLOATED WITH FAT GUYS AL HAVE FAR LES TURN OVER THEN NEEDED
i THINK THEY SHOULD BE REDUCED BY 1/10 EVERY YEAR AS NOW THEY NEVER FLUSH THEM HARD OR OFTEN BY VOTE OF OTHERS GET THE DEAD WOOD OUT GET THE CRUEL THE KILLERS THE BULLY COP OUT
BTW WAS ANY POLICE DEPT REALLY REDUCED BY MORE THE %5 OR HALF decimated
Honestly, I'm not in favor of using active duty troops for riot control. La has a huge police force and Calif Nat Guard. They need to handle their own problems.
I tend to agree Don. While DJT is using an old law to use the Federal Troops/Marines, I agree that the CA NG and other CA resources should be able to handle this. While DJT did have to federalize the CA NG to send them in, that's not the same as using active duty federal troops within CONUS. The problem for LA is the CA Governor doesn't seem to support the LA LEOs, Highway Patrol, Fire Dept and Para-Medics, First Responders and so on. Those folks are putting their lives on the line for leadership and citizens that won't stand up for them.
Thanks for posting that. Quite a bit of video not making the national media. And, it contains some humor. Whether it's LA, CA, Miami, FL or any other city, when a protest turns into a riot, a strong reaction to restore peace is an elected official's job. Newsom is such a failure!
That's almost funny considering who said it, if these riots were in your city and all those Cubans you have complained about were the rioters you might see this in a different light. I did say might. Considering the source and his TDS self-proclaimed symptoms, it's hard to know.
Forest Gump's mama was right, Stupid is as Stupid does.
The police force was decimated with the "de-fund the police" movement. The police force did not "nip it in the bud" when the riots first started. Even the LA police chief said they were overwhelmed. What about the large other areas where the police were needed to protect and serve. Gavin Newscum did not mobilize California's National Guard. Californians largely (it seems) do not want ICE to deport "illegal aliens" (correct definition per the US Constitution) because they are a sanctuary State and Cities.
The problem they are trying to solve is to get a higher body count, Legal or illegal. To increase their representation in the US Congress.
Now Newscum is suing the US Government foe violating their sovereignty. Which is what happened that started the Civil War. And also enforcing the Civil Rights act which allowed black people to go to white schools, and colleges.
Some times you do whet you have to do.
Because they are trained in lethality first and foremost. It's not the kind of activity the everyday Marine signed up for and it's simply NOT their job. It's just asking for trouble.. Look up Esequiel Hernández Jr.
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When the local government is telling the NG that they do not have to follow orders what is our next line of defence? I don't want any branch of the Service to have to police any of the states but look what happened last time. BLM "peaceful" protests burned down a lot of businesses. How many of them recovered? My biggest worry is one of these asshat "peaceful" demonstrators will start a fire and wipe out what is left of LA and my back yard.
This has been posted in lots of places, but I haven't seen it here, in so many words.
Police and National Guard in LA are being attacked by people who are here illegally, waving the flag of the country they came from, and burning the flag of our country. That's not a protest. It's an invasion.
Originally posted by Raydar: ... attacked by people who are here illegally, waving the flag of the country they came from, and burning the flag of our country.
Why do the flag waving protesters not go and live in the country their flag represents ?
NBC just broke into the show my wife was watching. Some CA federal judge just blocked DJT's authority to send in the NG. Goes into effect tomorrow PM. Of course, that will be appealed.
I figured when Newsom decided to sue over this he's find a Woke judge.
All politics aside... I've always been really upset / bothered by the fact that cities would ALLOW people to go block by block, destroying buildings and burning down businesses. This isn't new... the same thing happened after Dr. King was assassinated. I understand the reasoning... at the time, none of those businesses were owned by black families, etc... or the people doing the rioting. They felt like society was against them. It wasn't right, and the national guard was deployed back then too (in the 60s).
Today, there's really no excuse... not even an empathetic excuse. Many of the people who CAUSE the trouble are not even from our country... I don't mean illegals... they're usually ANTIFA agitators from Europe that come here intentionally to foment instability. They were... (at least a few years ago) sponsored by the Kremlin. These people organize these protests, and get everyone else to commit crimes as well. Today though... most of those businesses they destroy are family or privately owned... even the franchises are owned by individuals (most of them) and not corporate. The other people LIVE in these communities and destroy these businesses.
What upsets me is that the local governments ALLOW it... because radical or not... these Democrat leaders KNOW that this is the core of their base. They can't lose that solid 20% of their base... and they figure they can explain away the unfortunateness to the rest of the Democrat constituency. This is why they use terms like "Summer of Love" or why the DAs let them off with a warning, etc. They don't hold them accountable.
One thing that people don't consider is that, with National Guard... when the protestors attack the national guard, it becomes a FEDERAL crime. You attack state police, it's a state crime (assault). But the only way for it to become Federal is if you are attacking an agent (or person) of the Federal Government. So this becomes felonious assault. This is VERY intentional, and Trump knows exactly what he's doing here. It allows the FBI to arrest, and the DOJ to prosecute, where as the local state governments would have them back out on the streets by the weekend. Trump is looking to eliminate these individuals and prevent them from creating more protests (that turn violent).
So yeah... I support it.
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One thing that people don't consider is that, with National Guard... when the protestors attack the national guard, it becomes a FEDERAL crime. You attack state police, it's a state crime (assault). But the only way for it to become Federal is if you are attacking an agent (or person) of the Federal Government. So this becomes felonious assault. This is VERY intentional, and Trump knows exactly what he's doing here. It allows the FBI to arrest, and the DOJ to prosecute, where as the local state governments would have them back out on the streets by the weekend. Trump is looking to eliminate these individuals and prevent them from creating more protests (that turn violent).
So yeah... I support it.
My understanding is this all started when "Protesters" attacked ICE Agents, ICE called for some LEO support, it took LA LEOs over 45 minutes to respond. ICE agents are Federal and therefore, this became Federal from the start.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... Many of the people who CAUSE the trouble are not even from our country... I don't mean illegals... they're usually ANTIFA agitators from Europe that come here intentionally to foment instability. They were... (at least a few years ago) sponsored by the Kremlin. These people organize these protests, and get everyone else to commit crimes as well. Today though... most of those businesses they destroy are family or privately owned... even the franchises are owned by individuals (most of them) and not corporate. The other people LIVE in these communities and destroy these businesses.
Our school systems are programming the students to be marxists.
My understanding is this all started when "Protesters" attacked ICE Agents, ICE called for some LEO support, it took LA LEOs over 45 minutes to respond. ICE agents are Federal and therefore, this became Federal from the start.
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True... but each incident and each person is separate. The Federal government's CFR and code of laws are totally unique to the states... which of course I know you know. But the Federal government's laws specifically state that murder, assault, battery, etc... is ONLY Federal, if a person affects a person operating under the authority of a Federal agent, or the person is a politician. So two examples...
Joe is your neighbor, and he's an FBI agent, and you attack him at home because his dog **** on your yard. - State crime Joe is your neighbor, and he's an FBI agent, and he's on duty, and you attack him - Federal crime
So even though ICE agents were attacked... that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in the protest will then be charged under a Federal statute. That's why they brought in the National Guard. If any protestor throws a brick at a National Guardsman, and they are either caught then (or caught later from video evidence), that individual is now guilty of Federal felonious assault... and will go to Federal prison if convicted by the DOJ in Federal district court. The local state / county DA's no longer have authority... though they can still also charge that individual with a state crime... but CA just let's them go.
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Our school systems are programming the students to be marxists.
Cliff, the school system today is wild... I feel really bad for Gen-Z... with so many weird viewpoints.
Many of my daughter's friends are some kind of "trans" while also being very religious (Christian), and many of them are pro-Communist. Like, I don't get it.
The trans thing is waning though... it's not as "cool" as it was just a couple of years ago... many of her friends are going back to normal and not using terms and such, and there's a lot more people who are anti-communist than communist. But when I was a kid in Northern Virginia... I didn't know anyone who was pro-Communist. Just sort of a sign of the times I suppose.
I've had to really navigate carefully how I raise my daughter... always trying to guide her, but also allowing her to fail and make her own decisions in doing so.
She has a really good heart, and always wants to befriend everyone who's weird, strange, and different. Which I very much respect... but a lot of these people are a little emotionally damaged (mental illness, etc.). Many of them are trans, suffer from depression, have bi-polar disorder, and all kinds of autism up and down the spectrum. I've had to politely tell her that while it's important she treats everyone with respect... I remind her of what my dad used to tell me all the time when growing up. "You are the friends you keep." Which I've essentially told her... if you're constantly associating yourself with people who have problems, you're going to be sucked into their emotional roller-coaster. It's important to be a friend when a friend is in need... but you can't be the emotional punching bag for every person who's afflicted by today's social media and "latest thing."
She's tried to distance herself from friends who suffer from mental illness... which I know is sad, but I've explained to her why it's important sometimes for your own sanity to stay grounded, and she told me one day that this was the best advice I'd ever given her. I hate to be that way... but people are so screwed up today... half her school is on anti-depressants and has some kind of social disorder.
