So tell me, smart guy... what exactly is fictitious in the news story quoted in the first post of this thread. Let's hear it! Should be very easy for you to pick it apart.
I think the funniest part of all of this, was the absolute orgasmic elation that the left had for a couple of days during the Trump / Musk spat. I've never seen Democrats so happy since the election of President Obama. Haha...
I think the funniest part of all of this, was the absolute orgasmic elation that the left had for a couple of days during the Trump / Musk spat. I've never seen Democrats so happy since the election of President Obama. Haha...
I predicted, back in January (although probably not here), that there was likely going to be a dust-up of some sort between the two of them. Trump has a history of getting crossways with his people. It was inevitable. Some times those disputes get settled, sometimes they don't. Seems like this one sort-of did. I don't think it was done for "political theatre", but who knows. Doesn't really matter anyway.
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...there was likely going to be a dust-up of some sort between the two of them. Trump has a history of getting crossways with his people. It was inevitable.
Sorry I couldn't respond sooner. Even though I've been a member of this forum for yrs now, I don't spend nearly the time here that others do.
Anyhow, I already know the news reports about this issue so there's no need to read your link or check the veracity of it.
My original post was expressing amusement that liberals always, always use a left-leaning site to reinforce your positions. Those such as yourself are simply unable to use a politically neutral (or god forbid, conservative) news outlet that might share your outlook
Your directing me to the left-leaning site you linked to just goes to prove my point that much further.
Thanks for playing. It's been fun
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Yes indeed. Our friend Patrick can not provide any logic which proves the leftist sources true. And he wants us to prove them false .
Honestly, I don't understand why any American cares about what Patrick thinks. Until he gets naturalized (doubting that's ever going to happen), he has no voice in what Americans do or care about. Oh, he can holler, post stupid cartoons or whatever and stir a pot if you let him get to you but, who really cares what he thinks.
Pretty sure I'll get some smart @ss reply but, don't care about that either. DJT or any other Conservative (most likely) was better than what we had in the White House (regardless of what any non-citizen thinks).
Rams
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Originally posted by blackrams: Honestly, I don't understand why any American cares about what Patrick thinks. Until he gets naturalized (doubting that's ever going to happen), he has no voice in what Americans do or care about. Oh, he can holler, post stupid cartoons or whatever and stir a pot if you let him get to you but, who really cares what he thinks.
Rams
It does appear you don't care about or follow forum rules but just as a reminder, one is not supposed to change another's post in a quote. But, being "special", it may not matter.. But you did omit the most important part that I have bolded.
Rams
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Honestly, I don't understand why any American cares about what Patrick thinks. Until he gets naturalized (doubting that's ever going to happen), he has no voice in what Americans do or care about. Oh, he can holler, post stupid cartoons or whatever and stir a pot if you let him get to you but, who really cares what he thinks.
Pretty sure I'll get some smart @ss reply but, don't care about that either. DJT or any other Conservative (most likely) was better than what we had in the White House (regardless of what any non-citizen thinks).
I do care about forum rules, and I broke none. Was I attributing any words in my previous post to someone else? Take a good look.
You did, after the misquote, you said:
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LOL... you guys are too much!
Clearly in response to the quote, clearly directed at "someone else". The rule is "Do not change quoted text." You quoted text written by another member and changed it. You added/changed something to give the impression that someone (the "you guys" that you mention) said something they did not. It's not about attributing the words directly as much as it is the impression of that (see the quoted rule below) If you want to say something like that in jest (or whatever), don't use the quote feature, maybe say something like: Naturalized? More like lobotomized!
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Do not change quoted text. If you quote other members, do not change the quoted text. It's okay to highlight (through bold/underline/italics) words, but do not add/change anything so to give the impression someone said something they did not.
And you would be wrong. The "LOL... you guys are too much!" comment was in reference to the image of the MAGA supporters with their heads stuck in the sand.
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It's not about attributing the words directly as much as it is the impression of that...
Since when does your interpretation of forum rules eclipse what was actually stated by Cliff Pennock?
Please don't try and tell me how I should word my posts. I've been a member of this forum longer than you've been on the planet.
If you feel I've broken a forum rule, report me to Mr Pennock.
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Since when does your interpretation of forum rules eclipse what was actually stated by Cliff Pennock?
Please don't try and tell me how I should word my posts. I've been a member of this forum longer than you've been on the planet.
If you feel I've broken a forum rule, report me to Mr Pennock.
What is actually stated is what I said, it is about the impression that someone said something they did not. BlackRams thought you had edited his quote, he was under the impression you had changed his words, so will anyone else reading that thread, just because you didn't put the name on it doesn't mean that it doesn't "give the impression someone said something they did not".
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Do not change quoted text. If you quote other members, do not change the quoted text. It's okay to highlight (through bold/underline/italics) words, but do not add/change anything so to give the impression someone said something they did not.
As for reporting you, I have no reason to, it wasn't me you misquoted, and I'm not petty enough to go running to Mr Pennock for a judgment on how his rules should apply. It doesn't matter much to me, I quoted the actual rule when I posted my "interpretation" so people can see what Cliff said and see my "interpretation" and if it's wrong, so be it, I notice you didn't quote the actual rule in any of your posts with your interpretation of it, for example:
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Was I attributing any words in my previous post to someone else?
Where does it say in the rules that you need to attribute the words for it to apply? It says "if you quote other members". If that means by pressing the quote button and inserting another members text to change, then it still applies, if you go by the dictionary definition of quote:
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to speak or write (a passage) from another usually with credit acknowledgment
It says "usually", as in you don't always have to put a name on it to be a quote, so it would still apply. You quoted him (put his words in a quote box), and changed the words, it doesn't seem that hard to see that.
Honestly, I don't understand why any American cares about what Patrick thinks. Until he gets naturalized (doubting that's ever going to happen), he has no voice in what Americans do or care about.
Is this or is this not an open forum... based in the Netherlands... and frequented by members from many different countries?
If all you want is a MAGA-centric echo chamber, perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere. No, I'm not suggesting you leave PFF... but as long as you participate here, be prepared to see opinions that don't necessarily reflect your own.
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I predicted, back in January (although probably not here), that there was likely going to be a dust-up of some sort between the two of them. Trump has a history of getting crossways with his people. It was inevitable. Some times those disputes get settled, sometimes they don't. Seems like this one sort-of did. I don't think it was done for "political theatre", but who knows. Doesn't really matter anyway.
You're so right. I love the guy, don't get me wrong, but he's difficult to work with. He listens to almost everyone... you could be in the hallway as he's walking to a press briefing, and mention something to him, and he'll take that as more or less gospel without fully vetting it all the time. In the end, he always makes the right decision, but he's impulsive, as is Elon Musk... and things get said. They both are very type-A and used to getting their way, so it's only expected that two personalities like that would clash. They both have the right mind-set, but not always in agreement on how best to accomplish it.
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Although it paled in comparison to the "absolute orgasmic elation" you were experiencing and expressing here when Trump was re-elected! lol
Hah... I was definitely pleased that Trump won, but I've never been one to get overly emotional about politics. I've never cried or been overly ecstatic (whatever extreme is the exact opposite of crying in fear) over an election... whether it goes the way I want, or not. I'd say for the most part... a President does not dictate how generally my life will go. I think as we get older, people tend to worry about things because they want more things to be the same and often fear change... or are reluctant to accept change. As a younger person, your life is more dynamic... possibly because you have less responsibility to others... but we often forget the "freedom" of that feeling we have. I try to remember that as I go through my career and the decisions I make in life.
Short of a total collapse of our government (which we're financially leading to, regardless of who's president), neither Kamala or Trump would have an appreciable affect on my success or failure.
Is this or is this not an open forum... based in the Netherlands... and frequented by members from many different countries?
If all you want is a MAGA-centric echo chamber, perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere. No, I'm not suggesting you leave PFF... but as long as you participate here, be prepared to see opinions that don't necessarily reflect your own.
Begrudge? Hmmm, OK. Just being honest when I say your (political) opinion simply doesn't matter and I nor any other American should give a damn. Post whatever, doesn't matter to me. I'm not the Sheriff nor is this my house.
BTW, please remind me when Canada is going to pay up what it owes NATO.......................
Rams
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68 posts and counting in this thread alone says otherwise.
Patrick... have you seen your ratings bar?
I have you as a positive, so you know... but respectfully, I want to make a point here. We both disagree a lot on politics. There are just as many left-leaning people on the Fiero Forum as there are right-leaning people. In this case, it's not about being "overwhelmed" by Republicans as you've suggested in the past, but instead it's the way you respond to people. I'm not perfect by any means, but over the years since I joined here ~25 years ago, I've learned to TRY (at least) to calming the way I say things. I don't want to really get into it, but it's almost like you're upset at the views of others, so you try to antagonize, which results in you getting negged. Maybe you don't care... but I'd hate to see you get kicked off because you've pissed too many people off. I'm just as opinionated as you are... I've just learned to not be so aggressive in the way I share those opinions. Like, I'm not perfect, and not trying to suggest that either, but my ratings bar does at least suggest that I've made an effort...
Patrick, I also have you rated as a positive. I could change it to a negative and hurt your rating bar, , but I would not do that, ever. I used to play with people I have rated when their rating bar showed up and make it disappear.
I hear Trump is going to Canada next week to accept the deed to Canada. Just kidding. Canada is hosting the G7.
99% of my negative ratings have been picked up in P&R and in O/T political discussion (before P&R was created). As far as I'm concerned, negative ratings picked up in P&R are badges of honour. I won't be changing anything in regards to how I express my beliefs, political or otherwise. Elbows up.
To protect yourself or fight back The phrase "elbows up" generally means to protect yourself or fight back, particularly in the context of sports like hockey and boxing. It encourages readiness for a confrontation or challenge. The expression has cultural significance in Canada, often associated with standing up to the United States, and is linked to hockey legend Gordie Howe, known for his toughness on the ice.
I'm sure the humor of such a stupid statement is lost on some. Similar of what we call short man syndrome. Little guy drives a huge 4WD truck he has to climb into, not step up but climb.
Says the guy who's now posted 12 times(!) in this thread... originally trying to tell me what I'm allowed to discuss in this forum... and failing that, now simply trying to insult me.
This is nothing new, I've seen it all from you before.
Says the guy who's now posted 12 times(!) in this thread... originally trying to tell me what I'm allowed to discuss in this forum... and failing that, now simply trying to insult me.
This is nothing new, I've seen it all from you before.
Oh, sorry about that. Responding to all the insults coming from you about us, our President and generally the US may have inspired me a little. Apologies as appropriate, not all Canadians are as insulting in fact, very few. Have a great day.
Responding to all the insults coming from you about us, our President and generally the US may have inspired me a little.
Nowhere in this thread (or this forum) do I demean the country of America. However, I admit to not being above responding to baiting and insults in a similar fashion.
My present focus is on the clown show that's currently masquerading as the US administration. That's what this section of PFF is for... expressing political opinions.
Me thinks you lack the emotional maturity to deal with criticism of your choice as a "leader" (using the term loosely).
Nowhere in this thread (or this forum) do I demean the country of America. However, I admit to not being above responding to baiting and insults in a similar fashion.
My present focus is on the clown show that's currently masquerading as the US administration. That's what this section of PFF is for... expressing political opinions.
Me thinks you lack the emotional maturity to deal with criticism of your choice as a "leader" (using the term loosely).
Originally posted by Patrick: Sounds like Elon might've had a lawyer whisper in his ear. Notice however that Musk does not identify which comments "went too far", nor is there any hint of an apology. His only "regret" is perhaps losing government contracts.
Meanwhile, Trump is doing all he can to distract the American public from Elon Musk's comments about him... especially regarding Epstein. Look over here, look over there!
Sounds like Patrick has a partisan opinion. Fact is Elon did identify which comments went to far. They are the ones he took down, duh. Fact is Trump just spoke on our National TV that Elon was okay with the elimination of EV car subsidies. Explaining that he could still compete on a level playing field.
Elon said he was going to take the Dragon spaceship out of service. It took Americans to the international space station. (Saving us from paying Russia to do so.). He changed his mind.
news site. 
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