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No Tax On Tips Act ... by 82-T/A [At Work]
Started on: 05-23-2025 07:10 AM
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Report this Post05-23-2025 07:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 82-T/A [At Work]Send a Private Message to 82-T/A [At Work]Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've been seeing a lot of misinformation on this... everything from Democrats actually introduced the bill, to It's only for cash tips, not credit card tips, etc... All of which is completely incorrect. I've seen a bunch of Tweets too where people are harassing Republicans for being stupid because of the misinformation they've been told. I still have access to WestLaw, so I did some research and wrote it all down.

BLUF: It was introduced by Ted Cruz back in June of 2024. It's a Named Law called "No Tax On Tips Act," it's separate from the spending bill, and it includes not just "cash" tips, but tips paid by credit card, or in tip-sharing arrangements. So, it covers all tips. Here is my LONG explaination:


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Ok, I looked it up in WestLaw. “No Tax On Tips” is a “Named Law” which refers to “Senate Bill” S.B. 129, which was actually introduced in the Senate by Republican Senator Ted Cruz as S.4621 in the 118th 2nd Session (so back in June of 2024). It was co-sponsored in the Senate by Rick Scott, Steve Daines, and Kevin Cramer.

It was then sent to the House in the 118th Congress (2nd Session) in July of 2024 by Mr. Byron Donalds of Florida, and Mr. Van Orden of Wisconsin, to evaluate the bill and prepare it for a vote in committee.

It was sent to committee as H.R. 482 in January of 2025 with two more co-sponsors, by Mr. Buchanan (Republican), Mr. Donalds (Republican), Mr. Van Orden (Republican), and Mr. Horsford (Democrat).

It was passed by the House in January of 2025, and re-introduced into the Senate again as S.B. 129 by Ted Cruz, Mr. Daines, Ms. Rosen, Mr. Rickets, Ms. Cortez-Masto, Mr. Hawley, Mr. Scott and Mr. Cramer.

It passed Senate Finance Committee earlier in the year (January) and is listed as currently “Engrossed” in the Senate as of May 20th, 2025 as “An Act.” I believe it is not listed as official yet, because it hasn’t been added to the Congressional Federal Register yet (as it hasn't been signed by Trump yet), but it passed as a “named law” (separately from the rest of the spending bill).

The confusion is that originally it listed “Cash Tips” … which is using the IRS definition, which I explained is anything that’s considered part of a normal payment for services (which are defined as restaurants, etc.). In the latest version, which was the one that passed, they refer to the term as “Qualified Tips” and references “cash tip” as defined by the IRS, which the IRS refers as:

Cash tips include: those received directly from customers, electronically paid tips distributed to the employee by their employer and tips received from other employees under any tip-sharing arrangement. All cash tips must be reported to the employer.”

Or put a bit more organized:

• Cash tips received directly from customers.
• Tips added to credit card payments.
• Tips shared with other employees under tip-sharing arrangements.


The latest bill (which passed on Tuesday) also further defined the types of businesses that it includes as viable from cash tips, and also adds a whole section (long) for beauty stuff… such as nail care esthetics, etc. I can’t link to WestLaw because it’s a paid-for service. And for the record, it was introduced by Ted Cruz. It didn’t get buy-in from Democrats until just this month. The bill had been on-going for a year, and only had Republican support until January.

FYI, the IRS defines these as “Cash Tips” because they are cashed out at the end of the day to the employee. So when people pay with credit card, it’s usually paid out as cash from the till at the end of the night (traditionally)… though with Square and stuff, it tends to go on the ADP statement as a “Cash Tip.”

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Just wanted to mention that here, because I'm seeing a LOT of disinformation being pushed out by troll farms and Democrats trying to trash this bill... for whatever it's worth.
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Apparently, this is why Democrats are saying that Democrats introduced it:

https://www.rosen.senate.go...-for-nevada-workers/


Senator Rosen apparently refers to it as her bill... using very misleading language... but the bill was introduced by Senator Ted Cruz, and she was merely a co-sponsor to the revised version and helped it pass committee (which it would have passed anyway by simple majority). Not going to trash her for supporting it, because we want bipartisan support... but not thrilled with her language of her calling it "her bill" when clearly she definitely had nothing to do with creating it. But it is what it is... politicians will poltificate...
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Report this Post05-23-2025 01:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You still tip?
I always palm the money to the person's hand and wink at them.
Is that creepy? Perhaps I should stop whispering to them about taxation and robbery.
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Report this Post05-23-2025 02:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Doug85GTSend a Private Message to Doug85GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I do not like this law at all. So the cook in back making the food gets taxed regularly while the waiter has a big chunk of his money not taxed. What is left of the waiters wages will be taxed even less because the income will be lower. I know some restaurants share tips with the other staff because it is a team effort to serve customers. Will the wait staff still want to share when they know they can pocket all of the tips tax free?


IMO the law that allows for tipped employees to be paid less hourly should be abolished. Everyone has the same minimum wage and everyone gets taxed the same.
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Report this Post05-23-2025 02:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cliffwSend a Private Message to cliffwEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Trump's Big Beautiful Bill is supposed to enable no tax on tips.

I love the idea of no tax on overtime. Most of my money was earned with overtime. Time and a half.

Also, there was some talk on no tax on social security. Which I believe is fair. After all, the government has been getting a free loan from every working American, interest free.
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Jake I sent you another PM.
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