If we did something like this, should we give back the Statue of Liberty, or at least scrub that whole "teeming masses" quote from it? Maybe replace it with a QR code where they can Zelle whoever the current US President is $5 million so they can get their gold card?
The Statue of Liberty isn't policy, no matter what some of the Liberal Progressives might espouse.
It is even worse than that. The Statue of Liberty was a gift to commemorate 100th birthday of the nation and the abolition of slavery. That is why there are broken chains at the foot of the statue. The sonnet, The New Colossus, was a fund raiser to build the pedestal for the statue and has nothing to do with its purpose. Somehow that poem usurped the original meaning of the statue. It is the Statue of Liberty, not the Mother of Exiles. The poem is a lie.
It is even worse than that. The Statue of Liberty was a gift to commemorate 100th birthday of the nation and the abolition of slavery. That is why there are broken chains at the foot of the statue. The sonnet, The New Colossus, was a fund raiser to build the pedestal for the statue and has nothing to do with its purpose. Somehow that poem usurped the original meaning of the statue. It is the Statue of Liberty, not the Mother of Exiles. The poem is a lie.
We almost agree. With the way we've been proceeding, the entire statue is a lie.
You've hyperfocused on one aspect of the and missed the overall meaning. The statue was meant to celebrate the US' liberty and democracy, and it's spread across the world (get it? She's holding the torch out to the rest of the world?), while commemorating the US' abolition of slavery. I agree entirely it was not expressly meant as a symbol of immigration...until the US made it so by tying it and the poem together inarguably and officially. It didn't usurp the meaning, it extended it in a purposeful way.
So back to the point I was making: If we're being honest we should either scrub that part out and be open that we'd rather import new rich foreign overlords than give hungry people looking for an opportunity a chance, or just ditch the idea of the statue altogether because even if you want to call what's happened over the last few months "liberty" I don't know if there's enough apologetics to claim we're still openly extending it to the world. Maybe we could replace the torch with something more appropriate...like a whoopie cushion or a Diet Coke can?
We almost agree. With the way we've been proceeding, the entire statue is a lie.
You've hyperfocused on one aspect of the and missed the overall meaning. The statue was meant to celebrate the US' liberty and democracy, and it's spread across the world (get it? She's holding the torch out to the rest of the world?), while commemorating the US' abolition of slavery. I agree entirely it was not expressly meant as a symbol of immigration...until the US made it so by tying it and the poem together inarguably and officially. It didn't usurp the meaning, it extended it in a purposeful way.
So back to the point I was making: If we're being honest we should either scrub that part out and be open that we'd rather import new rich foreign overlords than give hungry people looking for an opportunity a chance, or just ditch the idea of the statue altogether because even if you want to call what's happened over the last few months "liberty" I don't know if there's enough apologetics to claim we're still openly extending it to the world. Maybe we could replace the torch with something more appropriate...like a whoopie cushion or a Diet Coke can?
I believe that legal immigration is the key to proper immigration. I don't believe that a mass influx of unvetted illegal border crossers is what the Statue is celebrating.
Different times, different needs and different standards.
But no discussion of the article in my initial post?
PAY TO GET IN THIEF'S WILL GET IN SCAMMERS LIKE THE RUMP WILL GET IN PIMPS HOOKERS RIP OFFS ALL GOT CASH TO BRIBE THE WAY IN WORKERS WILL BE IN POVERTY FOR MANY MANY YEARS
I believe that legal immigration is the key to proper immigration. I don't believe that a mass influx of unvetted illegal border crossers is what the Statue is celebrating.
You support legal immigration...so you support asylum seekers who are going through proper channels, given that is very much legal immigration? What's happening with Abrego Garcia must be very upsetting to you, especially since the Supreme Court determined he had a legal status when he was deported.
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Different times, different needs and different standards.
But no discussion of the article in my initial post?
I'm not arguing against changing with times, but I don't think current times call for the importation of a new foreign upper class, which is exactly the kind of immigration these $5 million dollar gold cards -or other pay-to-immigrate schemes- are going to bring. I addressed the article you posted calling for exactly that kind of system in my first response
If we did something like this, should we give back the Statue of Liberty, or at least scrub that whole "teeming masses" quote from it? Maybe replace it with a QR code where they can Zelle whoever the current US President is $5 million so they can get their gold card?
America promised the opportunity for a better life.
Current left-leaning policies promises the opportunity for a life of welfare and entitlements.
You cannot have both socialism and mass immigration of the impoverished.
When we brought in hoards of impoverished people, we did so with the opportunity for them to work in factories, etc. There was work for them. Even when we started down the path of "socialism" with the New Deal, we gave them jobs. The Biden Administration wasted trillions and trillions of dollars given to him by Trump's administration for COVID. Even Biden's infrastructure bill resulted in basically 1/10th of what they'd hoped it would do. It was a disaster.
When FDR created the New Deal and started spending... he said, I want a dam... so the Government built a dam and offered jobs to any who would work it. There wasn't half a decade of permitting, negotiating with unions, and paying multiple government contracts to do studies and evaluations before the eventual actual contract was issued.
We are over-regulated... by an amount so absurd, that everything is basically made shittier to pay for the adminstrativa and **** .
You look even at something as simple as the World Trade Center. We built the twin towers, from beginning to end, in less than 3 years... including permitting, engineering, and construction. They were amazing feats of construction.
The new World Trade Center One took over 12 years for permitting and everything else. 11 if we eliminate the year needed for excavating the remains of those who perished on 9/11.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: America promised the opportunity for a better life.
Current left-leaning policies promises the opportunity for a life of welfare and entitlements.
You cannot have both socialism and mass immigration of the impoverished.
When we brought in hoards of impoverished people, we did so with the opportunity for them to work in factories, etc. There was work for them. Even when we started down the path of "socialism" with the New Deal, we gave them jobs. The Biden Administration wasted trillions and trillions of dollars given to him by Trump's administration for COVID. Even Biden's infrastructure bill resulted in basically 1/10th of what they'd hoped it would do. It was a disaster.
When FDR created the New Deal and started spending... he said, I want a dam... so the Government built a dam and offered jobs to any who would work it. There wasn't half a decade of permitting, negotiating with unions, and paying multiple government contracts to do studies and evaluations before the eventual actual contract was issued.
We are over-regulated... by an amount so absurd, that everything is basically made shittier to pay for the adminstrativa and **** .
You look even at something as simple as the World Trade Center. We built the twin towers, from beginning to end, in less than 3 years... including permitting, engineering, and construction. They were amazing feats of construction.
The new World Trade Center One took over 12 years for permitting and everything else. 11 if we eliminate the year needed for excavating the remains of those who perished on 9/11.
Originally posted by NewDustin: If we did something like this, should we give back the Statue of Liberty, or at least scrub that whole "teeming masses" quote from it? Maybe replace it with a QR code where they can Zelle whoever the current US President is $5 million so they can get their gold card?
We ... do you think the French would come pick up the Statute of Liberty ? Who named it the Statute of Liberty. Do the French have one of their own ?
I do like helping out needy people. However, I would like to pick who I want help out, and won't help out.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: America promised the opportunity for a better life.
Current left-leaning policies promises the opportunity for a life of welfare and entitlements.
You cannot have both socialism and mass immigration of the impoverished.
When we brought in hoards of impoverished people, we did so with the opportunity for them to work in factories, etc. There was work for them. Even when we started down the path of "socialism" with the New Deal, we gave them jobs. The Biden Administration wasted trillions and trillions of dollars given to him by Trump's administration for COVID. Even Biden's infrastructure bill resulted in basically 1/10th of what they'd hoped it would do. It was a disaster.
When FDR created the New Deal and started spending... he said, I want a dam... so the Government built a dam and offered jobs to any who would work it. There wasn't half a decade of permitting, negotiating with unions, and paying multiple government contracts to do studies and evaluations before the eventual actual contract was issued.
We are over-regulated... by an amount so absurd, that everything is basically made shittier to pay for the adminstrativa and **** .
You look even at something as simple as the World Trade Center. We built the twin towers, from beginning to end, in less than 3 years... including permitting, engineering, and construction. They were amazing feats of construction.
The new World Trade Center One took over 12 years for permitting and everything else. 11 if we eliminate the year needed for excavating the remains of those who perished on 9/11.
HEATH AND SAFETY MATTER
60 PEOPLE DIED BUILDING THE FIRST WTC OHC SAVES LIVES BUT COST TIME AND MONEY 2 DIED BUILDING THE REPLACEMENT WTC1
58 LESS PEOPLE DIED DO TO RULES AND REGS BUT THE RUMP WANTS LESS RULES AND REGS A LOT LESS WITH A LOT LESS INSPECTORS AND WHOLE AGENCY'S ELIMINATED
WONDER HOW MANY DIE PER MILLION BUCKS SAVED BY DEVELOPERS UNDER THE RUMPS REVISED RULES
