A report I saw this morning indicated that DJT may have an interest in a "Third Term".
The suggestion has been made that VP Vance and Pres. Trump could reverse roles in another campaign with VP Vance running as President and DJT as VP. Then if elected, Vance could step aside and the DJT would assume the role again as President.
As far fetched as this idea is, it might work although as just about everything else has gone, SCOTUS would end up deciding this. Personally, I just don't see this as working. I also don't see any reason currently why Vance were to step aside. I'm thinking all of this is to just give Dems something else to worry about and I'm loving it.
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Agreed and that's why I feel like it's just another distraction DJT is giving the Dems high blood pressure over.
Rams
He said “I’m not joking” when asked if he was joking.
It’s clearly unconstitutional. Trump knows it, we all know it. To pretend like it’s okay for him to suggest this is just changing the goalposts of acceptability for our POTUS. Our presidents aren’t kings, and that’s by design.
Putin’s first term started out with limits. 25 years later…
He said “I’m not joking” when asked if he was joking.
It’s clearly unconstitutional. Trump knows it, we all know it. To pretend like it’s okay for him to suggest this is just changing the goalposts of acceptability for our POTUS. Our presidents aren’t kings, and that’s by design.
Putin’s first term started out with limits. 25 years later…
Joe, ask yourself why our POTUS is “trolling” the American public. Why do you assume he’s kidding or “trolling” here, and why does that make it okay?
He’s talking about doing something that’s explicitly against the Constitution. Do you not care about the Constitution anymore? Why does he get a pass from you, but someone else wouldn’t get a pass?
Joe, ask yourself why our POTUS is “trolling” the American public. Why do you assume he’s kidding or “trolling” here, and why does that make it okay?
He’s talking about doing something that’s explicitly against the Constitution. Do you not care about the Constitution anymore? Why does he get a pass from you, but someone else wouldn’t get a pass?
Ok, first of all... no matter how insanely radical you think I am, or anyone else here. You can be absolutely sure I would not vote for Donald Trump for a 3rd term because it would be ridiculous. I love what the guy is doing right now... but it's completely asinine to think that he would attempt to run for a third term, even if for some reason he thought he could get away with it.
And furthermore, as radical as you think the "conservative" judges are... they literally rule on the basis of language in the code of law and constitutionality. They would not authorize things merely because you think they liked him. This is the difference between an activist judge.
And sure, Newsom is positioning himself for the next presidential election... but the Democrats right now live in an echo-chamber. Otherwise... they would have likely won the election. But they're so focused on trans rights, and... I don't even know... nothing else? That they've missed all the real-world things... like skyrocketing crime, mass illegal immigration, failing schools, etc.
He said “I’m not joking” when asked if he was joking.
Would you have expected him to answer the question differently? While I can not suggest anything as to what is the truth, he just made it questionable on whether or not he's a "Lame Duck President" this term. That in itself changes many things. We all know how much a "Lame Duck" gets done toward the end of their term. Well that for what must be Congressional approved. Biden (or his staff) seems to have done a lot of financial transaction moving money around so that DJT wouldn't have access to it (Stacey Abrams as one example).
As you and Todd both said, it would be unconstitutional (unless that gets changed by 2/3rds of the states). That's very unlikely to happen.
Rams
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Joe, ask yourself why our POTUS is “trolling” the American public. Why do you assume he’s kidding or “trolling” here, and why does that make it okay?
He’s talking about doing something that’s explicitly against the Constitution. Do you not care about the Constitution anymore? Why does he get a pass from you, but someone else wouldn’t get a pass?
He's not trolling the people that support him, he is trolling the media and those that are opposed to him.
Ok, first of all... no matter how insanely radical you think I am, or anyone else here. You can be absolutely sure I would not vote for Donald Trump for a 3rd term because it would be ridiculous. I love what the guy is doing right now... but it's completely asinine to think that he would attempt to run for a third term, even if for some reason he thought he could get away with it.
And furthermore, as radical as you think the "conservative" judges are... they literally rule on the basis of language in the code of law and constitutionality. They would not authorize things merely because you think they liked him. This is the difference between an activist judge.
And sure, Newsom is positioning himself for the next presidential election... but the Democrats right now live in an echo-chamber. Otherwise... they would have likely won the election. But they're so focused on trans rights, and... I don't even know... nothing else? That they've missed all the real-world things... like skyrocketing crime, mass illegal immigration, failing schools, etc.
I don’t think he can or would actually run for a third term. As I said… it’s unconstitutional. But I think it’s generally dangerous for our POTUS to be discussing doing clearly unconstitutional things. It’s fine and even healthy to discuss policy ideas or start a discussion on if the constitution should be amended because of X, Y, or Z. It’s not appropriate to pretend like the 22nd amendment can just be ignored.
This is just one of many things he says that I put under his “bad leader” category. I don’t disagree with all of his platform in concept, but I greatly disagree with how he does it. Simple statements like this can slowly erode how the American public respects our constitution.
By the way, I’m just as against politicians making massive statements against gun rights, even while that offers more interpretation than this does. If folks want an amendment, go through the process. But you can’t ignore our constitution.
Originally posted by theBDub: This is just one of many things he says that I put under his “bad leader” category. I don’t disagree with all of his platform in concept, but I greatly disagree with how he does it. Simple statements like this can slowly erode how the American public respects our constitution.
This is the thing... you very much dislike Trump's brash attitude... the arrogance, and the way he just kind of waves off anyone he doesn't care about. This enrages many people. I don't personally know why, because if he did it to me, I wouldn't be bothered, and I'd just as likely do it to someone like Nancy Pelosi (if she even cared). But it's this same attitude that for all the reasons why you dislike him, that many people like him.
Many people feel like the political class have been ignoring real issues in the country and focusing on nonsense... so when he comes in and throws over the poker table and destroys the game, people love it.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: This is the thing... you very much dislike Trump's brash attitude... the arrogance, and the way he just kind of waves off anyone he doesn't care about. This enrages many people. I don't personally know why, because if he did it to me, I wouldn't be bothered, and I'd just as likely do it to someone like Nancy Pelosi (if she even cared). But it's this same attitude that for all the reasons why you dislike him, that many people like him.
Many people feel like the political class have been ignoring real issues in the country and focusing on nonsense... so when he comes in and throws over the poker table and destroys the game, people love it.
Todd, respectfully… of course Trumpers like this. Your entire comment is extremely well known to virtually every one of us Trump haters. Not even sure I understand if you actually think I don’t know this or if you’re speaking to someone else by replying to me.
I wouldn’t be offended by him on a personal level. I am the lovable ******* of my neighborhood and company. I generally like unapologetic assholes. It’s that he’s a horrible, horrible, horrible leader for a country like ours. He’s already ruining international relations in a way that will take us many future presidencies to overcome and regain trust.
And I get it man… you disagree. But it’s just hilarious to me to imagine Biden or Obama saying 10% of anything Trump has said and watching your aneurisms happen, compared to your reaction to stuff like this.
Originally posted by theBDub: I generally like unapologetic assholes. It’s that he’s a horrible, horrible, horrible leader for a country like ours. He’s already ruining international relations in a way that will take us many future presidencies to overcome and regain trust.
While I recognize the above response was not directed to me, I must note that while DJT may not be the leader you respect, he is still a leader. His history of success is out there. That's not to suggest I agree with every single thing he does or says but, he's trying to correct a huge number of overwhelming bad judgements made by his predecessor and others. While the "World" may not agree with many of DJT's moves, he gets more respect from our allies, neighbors and potential enemies than his predecessor ever got. Other President's bought friends who didn't respect the US and put our National Debt to levels we may never climb out of.
I can't see a way I could support a third term for DJT but that doesn't mean there isn't a way to do it lawfully. I simply don't see a way even though I recently spent a night at a Holiday Inn Express. The Constitution reigns supreme for all of us.
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While the "World" may not agree with many of DJT's moves, he gets more respect from our allies, neighbors and potential enemies than his predecessor ever got.
Based on the statements and actions of our allies and enemies, both… I totally disagree.
Based on the statements and actions of our allies and enemies, both… I totally disagree.
Understood, but, under Biden, they were laughing at us, those statements are coming from those who have benefitted from previous "Give Away" Presidents and they don't want things to change.
Edited: If, you're referring to the "Respect" previously bought and paid for, then I would agree.
I would agree they aren't MAGA fans. But, their free ride is over.
Rams
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Todd, respectfully… of course Trumpers like this. Your entire comment is extremely well known to virtually every one of us Trump haters. Not even sure I understand if you actually think I don’t know this or if you’re speaking to someone else by replying to me.
I wouldn’t be offended by him on a personal level. I am the lovable ******* of my neighborhood and company. I generally like unapologetic assholes. It’s that he’s a horrible, horrible, horrible leader for a country like ours. He’s already ruining international relations in a way that will take us many future presidencies to overcome and regain trust.
And I get it man… you disagree. But it’s just hilarious to me to imagine Biden or Obama saying 10% of anything Trump has said and watching your aneurisms happen, compared to your reaction to stuff like this.
I really think you're living in an echo-chamber. I don't know how you can come away thinking Obama and Biden haven't not only said... but actually DONE things that were insanely inappropriate. Biden held a speech outside the White House with red lights, military guard, for no other reason than to declare that Trump was a threat to Democracy. Which... we all remember, you believed in entirely. You came on here totally frenetic, almost terrified if you will... and tried to convince the 5-6 of us that voting for Trump meant the end of the world as we know it. Biden literally raided Trump's home... a former sitting president, and the biggest contender against Biden's re-election campaign. I don't even know how you can begin to sit there and pretend like things have been normal in the slightest.
I also greatly disagree with your view on international relations. You may have "finally" come up in society, but I've been an international traveler and "of that society" my entire life. My classmates and friends growing up were Mike Schwab (is this where you work?), the prince of Jordan, Henry Hagar (married Jenna Bush), etc. This is a picture of my dad, you can probably pick him out since you know the three presidents there. You've stated repeatedly how you've just made VP at your company, and that somehow gives you insight into the rest of the world. Glad you've finally reached a level that many of us on Pennock's have already lived. I'm proud of you... but I get the impression you believe the rest of us on Pennock's live in trailers, or have no clue what's going on in the rest of the world.
News flash, Europe and other countries have always hated us, even when we help them. There is a general dislike of American "exceptionalism" and our attitude. Democrats have taken the position of literally paying off our adversaries and our allies so they play nice with us... which is a completely absurd attitude. We've literally built China, most of the middle East, and multiple countries in Asia with our economy. These countries didn't like us under Biden or Obama... they made FUN of us. Nothing has changed from then until now... they still hate us, but now they're pissed because we're calling them to the mat.
What we're doing right now is a very good and very necessary "rightening" of a global trade imbalance.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: News flash, Europe and other countries have always hated us, even when we help them. There is a general dislike of American "exceptionalism" and our attitude.
They pretended to like us.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Democrats have taken the position of literally paying off our adversaries and our allies so they play nice with us... which is a completely absurd attitude. We've literally built China, most of the middle East, and multiple countries in Asia with our economy.
Also, we rebuilt Japan, and Germany, after WW II. Which was not done by our economy. It was our generosity and compassion.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: These countries didn't like us under Biden or Obama... they made FUN of us. Nothing has changed from then until now... they still hate us, but now they're pissed because we're calling them to the mat.
Just as they did not like Trump after he told NATO to pay their dues. Now they are squealing because we want fair tariffs.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I really think you're living in an echo-chamber. I don't know how you can come away thinking Obama and Biden haven't not only said... but actually DONE things that were insanely inappropriate. Biden held a speech outside the White House with red lights, military guard, for no other reason than to declare that Trump was a threat to Democracy. Which... we all remember, you believed in entirely. You came on here totally frenetic, almost terrified if you will... and tried to convince the 5-6 of us that voting for Trump meant the end of the world as we know it. Biden literally raided Trump's home... a former sitting president, and the biggest contender against Biden's re-election campaign. I don't even know how you can begin to sit there and pretend like things have been normal in the slightest.
I also greatly disagree with your view on international relations. You may have "finally" come up in society, but I've been an international traveler and "of that society" my entire life. My classmates and friends growing up were Mike Schwab (is this where you work?), the prince of Jordan, Henry Hagar (married Jenna Bush), etc. This is a picture of my dad, you can probably pick him out since you know the three presidents there. You've stated repeatedly how you've just made VP at your company, and that somehow gives you insight into the rest of the world. Glad you've finally reached a level that many of us on Pennock's have already lived. I'm proud of you... but I get the impression you believe the rest of us on Pennock's live in trailers, or have no clue what's going on in the rest of the world.
News flash, Europe and other countries have always hated us, even when we help them. There is a general dislike of American "exceptionalism" and our attitude. Democrats have taken the position of literally paying off our adversaries and our allies so they play nice with us... which is a completely absurd attitude. We've literally built China, most of the middle East, and multiple countries in Asia with our economy. These countries didn't like us under Biden or Obama... they made FUN of us. Nothing has changed from then until now... they still hate us, but now they're pissed because we're calling them to the mat.
What we're doing right now is a very good and very necessary "rightening" of a global trade imbalance.
I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of events during the Biden presidency. Biden’s Delaware home was also raided. This wasn’t some weaponization of the DOJ. It’s our government leadership mishandling classified documents and getting caught.
Your characterization about my “place in the world” is also off. Title is off, characterization is off, company is off. You do this often, Todd. You make assumptions with a little info, and you hit the gas pedal.
And yes, I genuinely believe Trump is a danger to our republic as we know it. No, I’m not frenetic about it. You’ve got some picture in your head based on faulty memory. Your information leaps are somewhat logical, but at every leap you added in detail that isn’t correct. Your end analysis is so flawed it’s absurd.
It's hilarious to watch Leftoids suddenly become Constitutional originalists when someone yanks their chain.
It’s hilarious to watch Trumpers fall over themselves to defend this. Last time this was a topic on the forum, the basic argument was that it was a joke and can’t be taken seriously. Trump now says it’s not a joke, and he’s had public and private conversations on the idea, and all you can muster is that Obama also did it… as you link a scripted interview from a comedy show.
I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of events during the Biden presidency. Biden’s Delaware home was also raided. This wasn’t some weaponization of the DOJ. It’s our government leadership mishandling classified documents and getting caught.
Your characterization about my “place in the world” is also off. Title is off, characterization is off, company is off. You do this often, Todd. You make assumptions with a little info, and you hit the gas pedal.
And yes, I genuinely believe Trump is a danger to our republic as we know it. No, I’m not frenetic about it. You’ve got some picture in your head based on faulty memory. Your information leaps are somewhat logical, but at every leap you added in detail that isn’t correct. Your end analysis is so flawed it’s absurd.
Disagreement is part and parcel of political discussion.
The reports of the visit to Biden's house didn't mention the flashing lights on police cars parked outside, the SWAT teams or the rifling of Jill's personal belongings by agents.
As to weaponization of the DOJ, there are many examples that have come to light; the visit to the Biden residence was a CYA move by the Biden administration.
I do wonder how a Senator and VP ended up with papers that only a President had the right to take, and I also wonder how a President who had the right to the copies by the benefit of being President, had his house raided.
I agree to a certain extent with your statement in the third paragraph, Trump IS a threat to the Republic, AS WE KNOW IT.
Keep in mind, in our lifetimes the Republic as designed by the Founders has been twisted beyond their intent. They made no provisions for a bureaucratic branch of government that wrote policy, instead they envisioned a small Federal government and left the bulk of regulation to the individual states. I think Trump's actions are sorely needed to downsize and restore our Republic.
Well, the other Big Three got bailed out, I see this as no different. Some folks like their Teslas. I don't want one but, that's just me. Biden must have really liked them, there's a huge government contract to buy 400 Teslas from the Biden Term.
Disagreement is part and parcel of political discussion.
Keep in mind, in our lifetimes the Republic as designed by the Founders has been twisted beyond their intent. They made no provisions for a bureaucratic branch of government that wrote policy, instead they envisioned a small Federal government and left the bulk of regulation to the individual states. I think Trump's actions are sorely needed to downsize and restore our Republic.
I agree with the sentiment, and I do hope through all of this that the end result is a more efficient government that still effectively protects our rights as citizens, which I think is the primary purpose of any government. I hope we reduce spending and learn to manage our debt. I hope wasteful programs and programs that aren't needed anymore are minimized and/or abolished.
I also hope it's all done appropriately, that our elected officials are driving change that they're legally allowed to do, and that we don't destroy our soft power we have across the world along the way.
I'm not going to dig it back out, but someone posted (elsewhere) the text of the applicable law, regarding this. It stated that, "A person can not be elected to more than two terms." Elected. Although it has always been assumed, the idea of an elected president stepping aside and making their VP a three-term president is not specifically mentioned, unless it was just conveniently omitted from what was posted (which is always possible.) But I suspect it can't/won't happen.
I'm not going to dig it back out, but someone posted (elsewhere) the text of the applicable law, regarding this. It stated that, "A person can not be elected to more than two terms." Elected. Although it has always been assumed, the idea of an elected president stepping aside and making their VP a three-term president is not specifically mentioned, unless it was just conveniently omitted from what was posted (which is always possible.) But I suspect it can't/won't happen.
Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the trolling.
Not hard to dig out lol. It's the 22nd amendment.
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No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Doh! Fair enough. Thanks. In my defense, I was busy, and about to run some errands.
But there's that word, in all instances. "Elected". It says absolutely nothing about someone (even someone previously twice elected) filling in for a resigning president.
Now... If there is something else - in writing - prohibiting a twice served president from becoming a vice-president, then we can talk. But, at this point, I have to believe that it was merely taken for granted that this particular scenario was not allowed. Interesting times, indeed.
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Originally posted by theBDub: Biden’s Delaware home was also raided. This wasn’t some weaponization of the DOJ. It’s our government leadership mishandling classified documents and getting caught.
BDub, Your description of the two searches greatly disagrees with what the news media reported. DJT's home was raided which we can agree on. Biden's home was searched, there is a big difference in how these two events occurred. Swat Teams with lots of FBI and Law Enforcement at DJT's home, not conducted in anything close to that at Biden's.
At least a President had the authority to remove documents, something a Senator or VP doesn't have the authority to do. Tell me again on how the FBI wasn't politicized.......................... Or, we can talk about HRC and her documents, private server, emails and how all of that was attempted to be destroyed.
BDub, Your description of the two searches greatly disagrees with what the news media reported. DJT's home was raided which we can agree on. Biden's home was searched, there is a big difference in how these two events occurred. Swat Teams with lots of FBI and Law Enforcement at DJT's home, not conducted in anything close to that at Biden's.
At least a President had the authority to remove documents, something a Senator or VP doesn't have the authority to do. Tell me again on how the FBI wasn't politicized.......................... Or, we can talk about HRC and her documents, private server, emails and how all of that was attempted to be destroyed.
Rams
SO ALL THEY HAVE IS WHATABOUTS BOO HOO RUMP WAS CAUGHT STEALING AND FOUGHT THE FEDS OVER A HUGE AMOUNT OF SECRET STUFF WHEN OUT OF OFFICE AND HIS CULT THINKS THAT IS OK DARK SIDE BS
I'm curious, did we ever get an "Ignore Function/tab" to click on? No doubt my name would get ignored if that available but, that's OK. Trolls get old and seldom change their ways.
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I'm curious, did we ever get an "Ignore Function/tab" to click on? No doubt my name would get ignored if that available but, that's OK. Trolls get old and seldom change their ways.
Rams
SO THEN YOU COULD PRETEND THE RUMP IS A Genius AND EVERYTHING IS FINE ?
