Police are investigating the explosion of a Tesla Cybertruck outside the Trump Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Police said a truck pulled up in front of the hotel on Wednesday near a glass entrance, then smoke started coming from the vehicle and it exploded.
The driver was killed and seven people were injured, police said without naming any of the individuals involved. Officials said all injuries were minor.
In a post on X, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the explosion "was caused by very large fireworks and/or a bomb carried in the bed of the rented Cybertruck and is unrelated to the vehicle itself".
The fire occurred around 0840 PT (1540 GMT), just hours after 15 people were killed when a man drove a truck into a crowd in New Orleans, Louisiana, on New Year's Day.
Police have yet to confirm the if the Las Vegas incident was caused by a bomb or fireworks, but two sources with knowledge of the investigation told the BBC's US partner CBS News that investigators were working to determine whether fireworks were responsible.
Sheriff Kevin McMahill of the Las Vegas Police Department said officials were "well aware of what happened in New Orleans", referring to the attack that included improvised explosive devices found near the scene in Louisiana.
"As you can imagine, with an explosion here on an iconic Las Vegas Boulevard, we are taking all of the precautions that we need to take to keep our community safe," he said during a news conference.
"Obviously, a Cybertruck, the Trump Hotel, there's lots of questions that we have to answer as we move forward," he added.
The two incidents have not been linked. Mr McMahill said there was no longer a threat to the Las Vegas community.
Was recently reported on NBC that the person that rented the Tesla was an American "Special Forces" member. No idea if this is factual. Unfortunately, we still don't know who was in the Tesla when it went up in flames.
LAS VEGAS (AP) — The person who died when a Tesla Cybertruck packed with explosives burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel was a highly decorated U.S. Army Green Beret who deployed twice to Afghanistan, officials said Thursday.
Two law enforcement officials identified the man inside the futuristic-looking pickup truck as Matthew Livelsberger. The officials spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Livelsberger served in the Green Berets, highly trained special forces who work to counter terrorism abroad and train partners, the Army said in a statement. He had served in the Army since 2006, rising through the ranks with a long career of overseas assignments, deploying twice to Afghanistan and serving in Ukraine, Tajikistan, Georgia and Congo, the Army said. He was awarded two Bronze Stars, including one with a valor device for courage under fire, a combat infantry badge and an Army Commendation Medal with valor. Livelsberger was on approved leave when he died, according to the statement.
The FBI said Thursday in a post on X that it was “conducting law enforcement activity” at a home in Colorado Springs related to Wednesday's explosion but provided no other details.
The explosion of the truck, packed with firework mortars and camp fuel canisters, came hours after 42-year-old Shamsud-Din Bahar Jabbar rammed a truck into a crowd in New Orleans’ famed French Quarter early on New Year’s Day, killing at least 15 people before being shot to death by police. That crash was being investigated as a terrorist attack and police believe the driver was not acting alone.
Both Livelsberger and Jabbar spent time at the base formerly known as Fort Bragg, a massive Army base in North Carolina that is home to multiple Army special operations units. However, one of the officials who spoke to the AP said there is no overlap in their assignments at the base, now called Fort Liberty.
Chris Raia, FBI deputy assistant director, said Thursday that officials have found ‘no definitive link’ between the New Orleans attack and the truck explosion in Las Vegas.
Seven people nearby suffered minor injuries when the Tesla truck exploded. Video showed a tumble of charred fireworks mortars, canisters and other explosive devices crowded into the back of the pickup. The truck bed walls were still intact because the blast shot straight up rather than to the sides.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Wednesday afternoon on X that “we have now confirmed that the explosion was caused by very large fireworks and/or a bomb carried in the bed of the rented Cybertruck and is unrelated to the vehicle itself."
"All vehicle telemetry was positive at the time of the explosion,” Musk wrote.
Authorities know who rented the truck with the Turo app in Colorado, Kevin McMahill, the elected sheriff of Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, said Wednesday. He did not release the person’s ID, however.
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It would not surprise me if this was caused by either PTSD or brain damage suffered from his service.
RIP
Could be, or it could be just an accident/fire due to some very poor planning and execution of a planned celebration. Although, that doesn't seem likely. Not a enough solid information to know.
Edited: Well, I guess this article kind of spoils the accidental fire theory.
Man shot himself in head before Cybertruck exploded outside Trump's Las Vegas hotel, officials say
A Musk vehicle, in front of a Trump hotel ... interesting.
Quite the metaphor, eh... a "Vice Prez" Elon Musk vehicle burning in front of a Trump hotel. That photo (yes, it is genuine) is liable to become one of the most iconic images of the 2020's.
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Is it me, or did the explosion/fire actually make the cyber truck look better
Ugliest damn thing going! Having said that, from what I've read, the construction of that "work of art" probably limited the damage the explosion could have caused.
LAS VEGAS (AP) — An Army soldier who fatally shot himself in a Tesla Cybertruck just before it exploded outside the Trump hotel in Las Vegas on New Year's Day left notes saying it was stunt to serve as a “wakeup call” for the country’s ills, investigators said Friday.
Matthew Livelsberger, a 37-year-old Green Beret from Colorado Springs, Colorado, also wrote in the note that he needed to “cleanse my mind” of the lives lost of people he knew and “the burden of the lives I took.”
Livelsberger apparently harbored no ill will toward President-elect Donald Trump, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officials said.
“Although this incident is more public and more sensational than usual, it ultimately appears to be a tragic case of suicide involving a heavily decorated combat veteran who was struggling with PTSD and other issues,” FBI Special Agent In Charge Spencer Evans said at a news conference.
The explosion caused minor injuries to seven people but virtually no damage to the Trump International Hotel. Authorities said Friday that Livelsberger acted alone.
“This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wakeup call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives,” Livelsberger wrote in a letter found by authorities who released only excerpts of it.
Investigators identified the Tesla driver — who was burned beyond recognition — as Livelsberger by a tattoo and by comparing DNA from relatives. The cause of death was a self-inflicted gunshot to the head, according to coroner officials.
Authorities excerpted the messages from two letters Livelsberger wrote using a cellphone note application, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren said.
The letters covered a range of topics including political grievances, domestic issues and societal issues, Koren said.
Tesla engineers, meanwhile, helped extract data from the Cybertruck for investigators, including Livelsberger’s path between charging stations from Colorado through New Mexico and Arizona and on to Las Vegas, Koren said.
“We still have a large volume of data to go through,” Koren said. “There’s thousands if not millions of videos and photos and documents and web history and all of those things that need to be analyzed.”
The new details came as investigators sought to determine Livelsberger’s motive, including whether he sought to make a political point with the Tesla and the hotel bearing the president-elect’s name.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has recently become a member of Trump’s inner circle. Neither Trump nor Musk was in Las Vegas early Wednesday, the day of the explosion. Both had attended Trump’s New Year’s Eve party at his South Florida estate.
Investigators have not yet explained how Livelsberger shot himself inside the Cybertruck while simultaneously igniting fireworks and camp fuel packed inside, causing the explosion.
Investigators suspect Livelsberger may have been planning a more damaging attack, but the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force from the crudely built explosive.
Among the charred items found inside were a handgun at Livelsberger’s feet, another firearm, fireworks, a passport, a military ID, credit cards, an iPhone and a smartwatch, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Kevin McMahill said. Authorities said both guns were purchased legally.
A law enforcement official said investigators learned through interviews that he may have gotten into a fight with his wife shortly before he rented the Tesla in Colorado on Saturday and bought the guns. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.
In recent years Livelsberger confided to Alicia Arritt, a former girlfriend who had served as an Army nurse, that he faced significant pain and exhaustion she attributed to traumatic brain injury.
He opened up to Arritt, 39, whom he met and began dating in Colorado in 2018, about exhaustion, pain that kept him up at night, and reliving violence from his deployment in Afghanistan, Arritt said.
“My life has been a personal hell for the last year,” he told Arritt in text messages during their early days of dating that she shared with The Associated Press.
The Green Berets are highly trained U.S. Army special forces who specialize in guerrilla warfare and unconventional fighting tactics.
Livelsberger served in the Army since 2006. He rose through the ranks and deployed twice to Afghanistan and served in Ukraine, Tajikistan, Georgia and Congo, according to the Army. He recently returned from an overseas assignment in Germany and was on approved leave when he died, according to a U.S. official.
He was awarded five Bronze Stars, including one with a valor device for courage under fire, a combat infantry badge and an Army Commendation Medal with valor.
Authorities searched a townhouse in Livelsberger's hometown of Colorado Springs Thursday as part of the investigation. Neighbors said the man who lived there had a wife and a baby.
Across-the-street neighbor Cindy Helwig said she last saw him when he asked to borrow a tool to fix an SUV.
“He was a normal guy,” said Helwig.
The truck explosion came hours after 42-year-old Shamsud-Din Bahar Jabbar rammed a truck into a crowd in New Orleans’ famed French Quarter early on New Year’s Day, killing at least 14 people before being shot to death by police. The FBI says they believe Jabbar acted alone and that it is being investigated as a terrorist attack.
"Livelsberger harbored no ill will toward President-elect Donald Trump, law enforcement officials said. In one of the notes he left, he said the country needed to 'rally around' Trump and Tesla CEO Elon Musk."
Sounds like someone is really trying hard to put a BS pro-Trump spin on this event.
Sounds like someone is really trying hard to put a BS pro-Trump spin on this event.
"Livelsberger harbored no ill will toward President-elect Donald Trump, law enforcement officials said. In one of the notes he left, he said the country needed to 'rally around' Trump and Tesla CEO Elon Musk."
The soldier's own words were quoted. So what part of that was a "BS pro-Trump spin"?
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Raydar... do you honestly believe that this highly decorated Green Beret, who went out of his way to rent a Tesla Cybertruck, and then drove more than 800 miles(!) to the front doors of a Trump hotel (before blowing the Tesla and himself up!), was showing support for Trump and Elon Musk?
IMO, either the "notes" were fabricated and/or someone somewhere instructed those "law enforcement officials" to release that bogus statement.
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IMO, either the "notes" were fabricated and/or someone somewhere instructed those "law enforcement officials" to release that bogus statement.
Everyone has an opinion. I'm reminded of Defense Attorney Cochran's closing argument that "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." I had a hard time with that one.
I understand such a statement doesn't and won't fit someone with TDS. But, according to everything I've read and heard on the news, the guy stated that in notes. I don't pretend to understand that guy's motivation but, he did say that and there is evidence.
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Raydar... do you honestly believe that this highly decorated Green Beret, who went out of his way to rent a Tesla Cybertruck, and then drove more than 800 miles(!) to the front doors of a Trump hotel (before blowing the Tesla and himself up!), was showing support for Trump and Elon Musk?
IMO, either the "notes" were fabricated and/or someone somewhere instructed those "law enforcement officials" to release that bogus statement.
Patrick, I know you want to believe that, but man, talk about a conspiracy theory, sheesh....
Patrick, I know you want to believe that, but man, talk about a conspiracy theory, sheesh....
Mark, it's not a matter of "wanting" to believe what I posted... it's the only thing that makes any sense. If blowing oneself up was somehow a show of support for Trump and Musk, will we soon expect to see a decline in P&R membership?
Mark, it's not a matter of "wanting" to believe what I posted... it's the only thing that makes any sense. If blowing oneself up was somehow a show of support for Trump and Musk, will we soon expect to see a decline in P&R membership?
Sounds like you are probably correct: "This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wakeup call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives."
While that's the only excerpt that appears to be getting posted, that does not sound like an excerpt from a missive that ends "Thank goodness things worked out the way they did! Go Team Trump!"
...according to everything I've read and heard on the news, the guy stated that in notes. I don't pretend to understand that guy's motivation but, he did say that and there is evidence.
Oh... so now you believe what's being reported in the news. Funny how that works.
Oh... so now you believe what's being reported in the news. Funny how that works.
Multiple sources all are reporting the same, conservative and woke networks so............................ The same with all the alphabet agencies involved. Would seem you're the lone unaccepting dis-believer here.
Yeah I know, arguing is half the fun in P&R according to you.
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Raydar... do you honestly believe that this highly decorated Green Beret, who went out of his way to rent a Tesla Cybertruck, and then drove more than 800 miles(!) to the front doors of a Trump hotel (before blowing the Tesla and himself up!), was showing support for Trump and Elon Musk?
IMO, either the "notes" were fabricated and/or someone somewhere instructed those "law enforcement officials" to release that bogus statement.
Nah. Sadly, vets (decorated or otherwise), suicide themselves on a regular basis. It's not too much of a stretch to think that this person also wanted to make a statement, instead of just "bowing out, quietly". Explosions get peoples' attention. An exploding Cybertruck, even more so. The fact that it was in front of a Trump hotel is a real "trifecta". Don't you think?
Why do you have trouble believing the man's words? You would seem to believe what the left wing media (who also seems to agree, in this case) has been reporting about "your enemies", for years.
What would be the motivation for anyone to fabricate such a story? It goes against the narrative (i.e., Trump sucks) that we have heard from the media for nearly a decade. It obviously would be irritating to the "left leaning" persons who are listening. (Am I right?!)
I've come across a video that I think we should all watch. No, it's not some handpicked video that I've selected which may (or may not!) back up anything I've stated in this thread.
For a variety of reasons, YouTube may be forced to pull this video. Watch it while you can. I've just seen the first 16 minutes so far. This is big stuff!
[EDIT] I've now watched the whole video (just over an hour)... and there is some mind blowing info revealed that will knock your socks off. I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Quite the metaphor, eh... a "Vice Prez" Elon Musk vehicle burning in front of a Trump hotel. That photo (yes, it is genuine) is liable to become one of the most iconic images of the 2020's.
I don't know... I'm tired of the tit for tat. Going into 2025 last month, I was all about revenge and wanted to see people suffer. I think sometimes pain and struggle can change people for the better... sometimes. I think it did with Trump. He's still Trump, but I think we'll see changes that... even if the "losing team" isn't happy with the "winning team's success," will still certainly see the country's recovery.
I'm sure this will get used now and then, but this was a mentally ill person... it'll probably get used by the same kind of people who make George Floyd memes.
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It would not surprise me if this was caused by either PTSD or brain damage suffered from his service.
RIP
It is really sad, different people deal with stuff in different ways. I can't watch war movies without emotionally breaking down... which seems trite and unimportant, but it's just one example of how I've changed after being exposed to this kind of stuff. I can only imagine someone who has had to actually kill someone, how they must struggle day to day dealing with that. It upsets me so much when I see people on the street who are veterans, particularly because they likely ended up there because of the pain and emotional challenges they dealt with.
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Originally posted by Patrick: I've come across a video that I think we should all watch. No, it's not some handpicked video that I've selected which may (or may not!) back up anything I've stated in this thread.
[EDIT] I've now watched the whole video (just over an hour)... and there is some mind blowing info revealed that will knock your socks off. I don't know what to believe anymore.
Ok, I'll watch it, but I'm going to be pissed if it's stuff I already know or it's wild conspiracy stuff... haha...
For a variety of reasons, YouTube may be forced to pull this video. Watch it while you can. I've just seen the first 16 minutes so far. This is big stuff!
Ok, I just watched like 90% of it. I skipped the "newsletter" discussion in the middle, and glossed over some of the other stuff, but I watched a straight 45 minutes of it. Here's my thoughts...
I think this is a guy who had access to intel, and was allowing it to get to him. I last had access to intel 3 years ago, and of course, I would never confirm or validate anything that I knew, so I won't ever do that... but what I know is quickly getting stale. First and foremost... "UAP" stuff... I think the whole thing about Gravitic technology... I dunno, seems kind of silly. The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props... and not some anti-gravity technology... so I think that's just crazy stuff (I'll get to that more).
I did find it interesting that he believed the drones were being launched by submarines from China off our coast. This was something I too also mentioned on here... again, not referencing intel. But it's very specific so I would hazard a guess that he's likely seen intelligence stating this. What I do know is that China has significantly more advanced submarine technology than we do... which is based entirely off stolen (from us) technology. They have a larger NAVY than we do also. They know they cannot compete with sheer power (as we do with massive air craft carriers), but they've focused their research and development on the latest generation of spy submarines. They have significantly more than we do. Where our current class (Columbia, Virginia, etc.) excel is in the ability to remain at sea far longer. China doesn't have the infrastructure or logistics (or the ability) to remain at sea for as long as we do... but they do have more (and with better stealth technology) than we do. This is publicly known and shared information. I haven't followed up on the drones, but I did think many of them were from China, and just as I said... it was merely a show of force ... which is propaganda, and it's what we all do to show other nations what we've done.
There was a bunch of nonsense about the CyberTruck, I don't know... he didn't seem to like Trump any more than he did other presidents... it seemed like he was just against what he viewed was a lot of corruption by the military and global governments.
On the killing of civilians in Afghanistan. I was in Afghanistan in 2019, just a few months after that alleged situation. I don't ever remember hearing about it (not saying it didn't happen), but I don't think it was intentional. What I do know is that there were constant intel failures. So much in fact that one agency chewed out the other agency, and they actually halted intelligence production for an entire month, and people were sent home. It largely had to do with ineffective leadership among the agencies dealing with intelligence and risk aversion... something that I struggled with from my own agency at the time, that was very frustrating. A lot of the intel we got was either totally misinterpreted, or they actually did nothing with it. One of the big issues was that "bad guys" constantly use catch phrases... things that they use to reference situations. Like, just making this up... "The brown dog left the dog house." Some totally meaningless thing that to them might mean that a bomb was on it's way to a target. But because of agency lawyers and other totally risk-averse middle-management... they disallowed intel analysts from doing anything other than interpreting it literally... meaning... a brown dog apparently just left his dog house. This was a huge thing that happened in Afghanistan. When the then Administration found out... they basically shut down the entire department responsible for it, and it didn't come back online until a month later. But this was the kind of bull **** that went on all the time.
Another thing worth mentioning too is that not all intel is GOOD intel. Especially intelligence that comes from HUMINT... that is... it's literally human reported (not intercepted or captured information). This information can be totally outrageous, and often is no better than the mental state of the person reporting it to the organization. In my various duties, we also had access to FBI intelligence as it pertained to international things. Some of those reports (which can literally come from the website), were totally nuts... aliens this, aliens that (the extraterrestrial kind). If you were less than stable mentally, it would probably drive you nuts because there was constantly "this thing will end the world tomorrow" ... you know... every once in a while it's true (9/11), but mostly it's not (PizzaGate). I suspect this guy likely just went nuts.
Back on the Afghan thing with the drugs... the only thing I know about that is that we (the U.S.) directly funded programs to help train and teach Afghans to create commodity and farm their land. I can't remember what it was specifically... but we basically paid for tons of infrastructure, tractors, you name it... to help Afghan farmers till their land and grow crops that could be sold internationally (to help build an economy). Unfortunately, what often happened is these farmers realized that they could make a lot more money growing drug-plants than whatever else it was. I think it was poppy plants (if I'm not mistaken) that many of them ended up growing... used to make heroin. I don't know that we were necessarily targeting drug producers, but I guess my point originally was that if civilians died, it was probably because of shitty intel ... just like when Biden launched a drone strike killing over a dozen children and an aide worker when he thought he was killing the "ISIS-K" people that had bombed his ordered retreat.
Bottom line, this is a guy who had dealt with too much, and called it quits. Thankfully, he didn't hurt anyone else (whether intentional or unintentional). I was not in a good place either. Although I truly believe I would never do anything like that... I still had to "get out" and made the decision to leave the agency, which I do not regret. I love my time with them, I will always be proud of the work I did and who I was able to help... but the failure was too much for me to justify spending any more of my life in a place where I felt failure was constantly inevitable... not because of us, but because of poor decisions that are constantly based on the politics of people who simply don't understand.
I don't know if this post was a fun gotcha, or what you'd hoped with it... but there, you wasted 2 hours of my Sunday... hah... EDIT: Spelling corrected...
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Trump supporters? (Would seem to be supported by your third comment, below.) Primarily American Trump supporters, since we're right here, and such "easy" targets.
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Seriously, you can't think of why "anyone" might wish to twist the circumstances of this event?
Seriously, not really. Again, it goes completely against the narrative that the Media has been espousing, for nearly a decade. If you disagree, what are your thoughts? Please tell us why someone would wish to twist the circumstances.
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One less Trump supporter is fine by me (if that's what he was)... but the only "irritating" part of this story to me is that it makes no sense.
I'll refer you back to your first comment/question.
Of course it makes no sense. Suicide, in itself, makes no sense to any rational person. It's a function of twisted logic. What other twisted activities may go along with it are anyone's guess.
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I don't know if this post was a fun gotcha, or what you'd hoped with it...
I'm disappointed that you feel that way, as I tried to express as honestly as I could in my last post that this video was not "handpicked" by me to "back up" anything I've previously stated.
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...but there, you wasted 2 hours of my Sunday... hah...
And I read your whole post... so I guess we're even.
However...
In your post, you've focused about 95% on the events in Afghanistan... probably because you spent time there. Sure, that part was important, but that was hardly what the entire hour of the video was about.
You quickly dismissed any discussion on "gravatic propulsion systems", and China's access to it, simply saying it was "silly". You stated... "The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props". All of them? You know this for a fact? No you don't, and I don't know either. However, this Green Beret, who had access to intelligence, certainly seemed to believe that there was something going on that the general public was not being made aware of. Quickly shrugging this information off as "silly" seems... well, it seems silly to do so!
There were many things brought up during the hour long video, but you also didn't touch upon at all probably one of the most interesting points mentioned. The very last thing said in the video was... "I wonder if this ****ing guy is still alive". Yes, you neglected to mention anything about how the DNA of the burned up dead body in the Tesla doesn't match the DNA of the Green Beret's son. The discussion revolved around how the powers that be have tried to frame this around the proposed scenario that he was pissed off at his son not actually being his etc which led to the suicide... whereas the other possibility is that the Green Beret was not in the Tesla at all. And also that the dead person in the Tesla was shot in the head prior to the Tesla pulling up to the Trump hotel, as there was no indication that a large caliber gun had been fired just prior to the fire. It was proposed that the summon feature of the Tesla might have been invoked to self-drive the Tesla to the hotel with the already dead body inside.
Yes, it would be easy to laugh off everything I've mentioned as nonsense, mostly because I haven't provided any evidence... but that's what watching the entire video is for... and not just parts of it. There's tons of stuff mentioned with all kinds of information to back it up. You admit to having "glossed over" parts of the video. I feel you did yourself a disservice in doing so.
I'm not suggesting that everyone should believe everything or anything that is mentioned in the video, not at all.
. Raydar, all I can say in response to your post(s) is that it's unfortunate if you believe everyone you disagree with is your "enemy". That would be incredibly taxing. I can't/don't live my life that way.
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It's been floated that supposedly this active Green Beret was on anti-psychotic meds, and that he changed his meds and went off his rocker. This begs the question, can a Green Beret be on anti-psychotic medication and still be active?
For anyone following the story, this video may also be of interest.
And I read your whole post... so I guess we're even.
However...
In your post, you've focused about 95% on the events in Afghanistan... probably because you spent time there. Sure, that part was important, but that was hardly what the entire hour of the video was about.
You quickly dismissed any discussion on "gravatic propulsion systems", and China's access to it, simply saying it was "silly". You stated... "The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props". All of them? You know this for a fact? No you don't, and I don't know either. However, this Green Beret, who had access to intelligence, certainly seemed to believe that there was something going on that the general public was not being made aware of. Quickly shrugging this information off as "silly" seems... well, it seems silly to do so!
There were many things brought up during the hour long video, but you also didn't touch upon at all probably one of the most interesting points mentioned. The very last thing said in the video was... "I wonder if this ****ing guy is still alive". Yes, you neglected to mention anything about how the DNA of the burned up dead body in the Tesla doesn't match the DNA of the Green Beret's son. The discussion revolved around how the powers that be have tried to frame this around the proposed scenario that he was pissed off at his son not actually being his etc which led to the suicide... whereas the other possibility is that the Green Beret was not in the Tesla at all. And also that the dead person in the Tesla was shot in the head prior to the Tesla pulling up to the Trump hotel, as there was no indication that a large caliber gun had been fired just prior to the fire. It was proposed that the summon feature of the Tesla might have been invoked to self-drive the Tesla to the hotel with the already dead body inside.
Yes, it would be easy to laugh off everything I've mentioned as nonsense, mostly because I haven't provided any evidence... but that's what watching the entire video is for... and not just parts of it. There's tons of stuff mentioned with all kinds of information to back it up. You admit to having "glossed over" parts of the video. I feel you did yourself a disservice in doing so.
I'm not suggesting that everyone should believe everything or anything that is mentioned in the video, not at all.
Yeah, I realize I didn't respond in regard to everything discussed, but there was a lot there. I kind of disregard out of hand that the guy is still alive. I remember seeing in the news that they were in fact able to verify DNA by comparing it to a family member... so I didn't even mention it.
The other thing I didn't mention was the Iranian "Invisible" missiles. I don't really have anything to say about that. They're obviously not invisible... but if it's true (meaning the information they said was valid)... it's probably something that just goes against normal detection means. It's not great... if in fact Iran has some kind of shoulder-launched missile available to them here in the U.S., but I don't really have anything to say about it.
As for the "Gravitic Engine." I would think an anti-gravity propulsion would be awesome... I just don't believe it. Something like that would be impossible to keep relatively secret. I had access to the highest level of information... had literally the worst compartments you could imagine. There's too many things to SAP, but even still, I'd probably have heard about it with my access. And I've never heard of such thing... which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just don't think it's real.
As for the drones, it likely would have been obvious I'd think... and I doubt seriously that China would use their most heavily classified technology that was almost to the level of what we imagine "alien" technology to be... in a silly show of force over New Jersey on the off chance someone in the administration decided to shoot it down.
Originally posted by Patrick: And it gets deeper and deeper...
It's been floated that supposedly this active Green Beret was on anti-psychotic meds, and that he changed his meds and went off his rocker. This begs the question, can a Green Beret be on anti-psychotic medication and still be active?
That he's a green beret doesn't really make a difference (compared to other military members, for example). It just depends on whether his commanding officer is willing to sign off on him.
A lot has changed in the past decade. It used to be if you sought help from a psychiatrist, it would very negatively affect your clearance (and your job). Now... if you don't seek help for something you clearly do need help for, that will affect your clearance. So It likely didn't mean anything in terms of being allowed to stay active duty.
It used to be if you sought help from a psychiatrist, it would very negatively affect your clearance (and your job). Now... if you don't seek help for something you clearly do need help for, that will affect your clearance.
Simply "seeking help" from a psychiatrist (who can treat a patient with counselling for example), is a whole different kettle of fish than the need to be put on anti-psychotic medication. So I'm not asking about just being treated by a psychiatrist per se, I'm asking about the ramifications of someone within the Army’s Special Operations Command requiring (and taking) anti-psychotic drugs. It would seem like a disaster waiting to happen.
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Simply "seeking help" from a psychiatrist (who can treat a patient with counselling for example), is a whole different kettle of fish than the need to be put on anti-psychotic medication. So I'm not asking about just being treated by a psychiatrist per se, I'm asking about the ramifications of someone within the Army’s Special Operations Command requiring (and taking) anti-psychotic drugs. It would seem like a disaster waiting to happen.
That used to be the rule... but it changed around 2012-2013 when they started having a more open-mind about mental health (to include medication). I can't remember how many forms I had to fill out where it asked if I'd seen a psychiatrist... and then if I felt I NEEDED one and didn't see one, and then one about whether or not I'm on prescription medication, and then whether or not I failed to take it.
. ... it's unfortunate if you believe everyone you disagree with is your "enemy".
Believe me... I don't. But I get that vibe from "left leaners" a great deal. I pretty much "live and let live", unless someone tries to smash my toes.
But a lot of libs (our Miami resident comes to mind) are like "my way or the highway", and refuse to even discuss in a rational matter, and start calling names (again... like our Miami resident). When they hear something they don't like but can't refute, they either go ballistic, change the subject, or just shut down and block that person. I get that there are some conservatives that are the same way, but it's primarily libs. I don't shut anybody down, simply for disagreeing. Unless they're just a complete posterior orifice.
So, what about my questions? (Even ignoring the "enemies" question. Although the absence of compassion for the blown up vet ("One less Trump supporter is fine by me.") would seem to speak volumes.)
Again... why do you think someone would want to twist the circumstances. On the face of it, it's just a Trump supporter who "nutted up". Most Dems probably just consider that "business as usual". What do you think?
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I get that vibe from "left leaners" a great deal... a lot of libs (our Miami resident comes to mind) are like "my way or the highway", and refuse to even discuss in a rational matter, and start calling names (again... like our Miami resident). When they hear something they don't like but can't refute, they either go ballistic, change the subject, or just shut down and block that person. I get that there are some conservatives that are the same way, but it's primarily libs.
Yes, that "left-leaner" lib here who for years has posted the following in thread after thread after thread is rather tiresome to say the least.
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Leftists gotta Leftist
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So, what about my questions? (Even ignoring the "enemies" question. Although the absence of compassion for the blown up vet ("One less Trump supporter is fine by me.") would seem to speak volumes.)
Hey, it would certainly be preferable for a Trump supporter to simply put their X in a different box when voting, rather than making a spectacle of themselves, but why are you singling out me for an "absence of compassion"? Please point out to me anyone in this thread who has expressed any compassion whatsoever.
I've been trying to get to the bottom of this story because it makes no sense. I've derived no pleasure from this alleged Trump supporter supposedly committing suicide. I want to know the truth behind why someone died in that Tesla, and why it was done in such a manner.
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Again... why do you think someone would want to twist the circumstances. On the face of it, it's just a Trump supporter who "nutted up". Most Dems probably just consider that "business as usual". What do you think?
I think you should watch the video I posted above.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Yes, that "left-leaner" lib here who for years has posted the following in thread after thread after thread is rather tiresome to say the least.
...but why are you singling out me for an "absence of compassion"? Please point out to me anyone in this thread who has expressed any compassion whatsoever.
Because you implied that, in so many words. Nobody else in the thread has been compassionate, I suppose. But I was talking specifically about your "one less Trump supporter" comment. But I'll let it go.
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I've been trying to get to the bottom of this story because it makes no sense. I've derived no pleasure from this alleged Trump supporter supposedly committing suicide. I want to know the truth behind why someone died in that Tesla, and why it was done in such a manner.
I think you should watch the video I posted above.
Again, suicide, by definition, makes no sense. If someone is crazy or disturbed enough to do that, then most anything else that they do becomes much less surprising, IMHO.
I'll give the video a look when I have some time. There have been lots of things going on here, since before Christmas. I'll spare you. But it's winding down, now. It's supposed to be bitterly cold and miserable (at least for Georgia) for the next few days, so that may afford me some down time.
But I've got to tell you, I don't place a lot of credence in reports of "re-directed gravity" or other similar stuff. (I don't know if you've ever heard of Col Thomas Bearden, but he was a big "free energy" proponent. Fascinating man. And fascinating stuff to read about, but I'll actually believe it when I see it. I'm almost 68, and haven't yet been privy to that demonstration, even at my age. So I don't hold out a lot of hope. )
Some folks will seek out anything from any source to support their agenda. Most of us spend way too much time on the internet (I'm guilty also, trying to cut back and do productive things) but some folks go way overboard.
But I was talking specifically about your "one less Trump supporter" comment. But I'll let it go.
Raydar, you're being reasonable, so I'll volunteer to add a bit more to this. Taken out of context, yes, the part you're asking about/quoted sounds rather cold... but if you go back to where we had the original exchange, you'll see that I was just basically running with your comment... "It obviously would be irritating to the "left leaning" persons who are listening. (Am I right?!)". I was giving you what I felt some Trump supporters would think that all "left leaning" people might say. Keep in mind though that "one less" supporter (whatever their political stripe) doesn't necessarily require them to die. (ie X in a different box when voting) However, I then went on to say what my more sincere response was. "...the only "irritating" part of this story to me is that it makes no sense".
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Again, suicide, by definition, makes no sense. If someone is crazy or disturbed enough to do that, then most anything else that they do becomes much less surprising, IMHO.
I don't disagree with that at all... but if you watch the video, you'll no doubt see why the whole story is so bizarre, for reasons that I suspect you're currently quite unaware of. Among many things, it'll bring into question whether the Green Beret was actually suicidal. It may also allow you to more fully understand why I posted "I don't know what to believe anymore" after watching the video!
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