Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines on Tuesday issued a statement warning U.S. citizens of "concerning Iranian activity" and that Iranian government actors have sought to "opportunistically take advantage" of anti-Israel protests.
"Iran is becoming increasingly aggressive in their foreign influence efforts, seeking to stoke discord and undermine confidence in our democratic institutions, as we have seen them do in the past, including in prior election cycles," she said. "They continue to adapt their cyber and influence activities, using social media platforms and issuing threats."
Who can tell me where Iran suddenly got all this money?
But, but, Trump said "pussy"!!! That is the exact same thing as treason!!!
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Wait, I missed it. All this money to...sign up for free social media accounts and make targeted posts? And who are you suggesting all this money to acquire free services came from? This confused me.
Originally posted by NewDustin: Wait, I missed it. All this money to...sign up for free social media accounts and make targeted posts? And who are you suggesting all this money to acquire free services came from? This confused me.
So, you didn't read the article, or you don't understand what he's talking about.
1 - Money used to organize protests (signs, U-Haul rentals, on-site coordinators, etc.) is not a free resource. 2 - Money used to pay the people in Iran who are spreading the information on Social Media is not a free resource. 3 - Money used to pay for the internet access for the people in Iran who are spreading the propaganda is not free. 4 - Intelligence coordination within the Ministry of Intelligence (Iranian's Spy Agency) is not a free resource.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, you didn't read the article, or you don't understand what he's talking about.
1 - Money used to organize protests (signs, U-Haul rentals, on-site coordinators, etc.) is not a free resource. 2 - Money used to pay the people in Iran who are spreading the information on Social Media is not a free resource. 3 - Money used to pay for the internet access for the people in Iran who are spreading the propaganda is not free. 4 - Intelligence coordination within the Ministry of Intelligence (Iranian's Spy Agency) is not a free resource.
Generally, before a form a conclusion, I check more than one resource. Often, I post one link as an example, in the interest of expedience.
Some articles mention that some of these "social media personalities" are being paid for their time by Iran.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, you didn't read the article, or you don't understand what he's talking about.
1 - Money used to organize protests (signs, U-Haul rentals, on-site coordinators, etc.) is not a free resource. 2 - Money used to pay the people in Iran who are spreading the information on Social Media is not a free resource. 3 - Money used to pay for the internet access for the people in Iran who are spreading the propaganda is not free. 4 - Intelligence coordination within the Ministry of Intelligence (Iranian's Spy Agency) is not a free resource.
Irans GDP is over $400 million. It is one of the 40 richest countries on the planet. I am pretty sure they can scratch up a few thousand dollars for some poster board for signs and a few people on the internet.
This is not a weapons program. This is not funding any army. This is how countries use their money efficiently to attack rich countries like the United States.
Originally posted by BingB:Irans GDP is over $400 million. It is one of the 40 richest countries on the planet. I am pretty sure they can scratch up a few thousand dollars for some poster board for signs and a few people on the internet.
This is not a weapons program. This is not funding any army. This is how countries use their money efficiently to attack rich countries like the United States.
It's easy to armchair when you don't know anything about this... but it's not as simplistic as you think.
For one, to organize protests (from Iran) in another country many thousand miles away... and have it scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time, requires a lot of funding and resources to coordinate. This is many millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. That doesn't even cover the mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests, and do it in such a way that there's little to no tie-back to Iran directly.
Internet propaganda also isn't at all what you think it is. When Russia did this, it wasn't just a bunch of Russian fan-boys that all hopped on Twitter and started trashing the U.S.. It's highly coordinated. That affort was 100s of millions of dollars, much of it funneled through what was called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnet_Research_Agency
You can be sure that Iran is likely doing something similar... and that it's not just a bunch of Ayatollah fans on X and Facebook at-will spouting off. The propaganda is carefully coordinated to ensure proper propagation to increase the viral-nature of it. None of these people are free (EDIT: free labor), despite it being a dictatorial country. This costs money, not only for the infrastructure to do it, but the planning, intelligence, and coordination.
For a country who's GDP is $400 million (I'll take your word for it), this is a large undertaking and not something they hand their credit card over for without looking at the bill. This doesn't even address the fact that they're doing the same thing in Europe, and probably also (to a lesser degree) the rest of Asia and South / Central America.
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So, you didn't read the article, or you don't understand what he's talking about.
1 - Money used to organize protests (signs, U-Haul rentals, on-site coordinators, etc.) is not a free resource. 2 - Money used to pay the people in Iran who are spreading the information on Social Media is not a free resource. 3 - Money used to pay for the internet access for the people in Iran who are spreading the propaganda is not free. 4 - Intelligence coordination within the Ministry of Intelligence (Iranian's Spy Agency) is not a free resource.
It’s the latter. From the actual Statement from the Director of National Intelligence, the only information about Iran’s activities is the following:
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“We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.”
There’s further information in the Fox article, but not much. Here’s everything on Iranian activities from that article:
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"We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters," "remain vigilant as they engage online with accounts and actors they do not personally know." “Iran "will continue to rely on their intelligence services in these efforts, as well as Iran-based online influencers, to promote their narratives."
You know Iranian has an annual GDP of half a trillion dollars, has a well-funded military/terrorism-supporting infrastructure, and has spent nearly 2 billion dollars a year funding terrorism every year for the last long-as-it-matters, right? We’re wondering where they got the funding to pay for...*checks notes*... Uhauls, internet access, and folks that are already on their staff?
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It's easy to armchair when you don't know anything about this... but it's not as simplistic as you think.
For one, to organize protests (from Iran) in another country many thousand miles away... and have it scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time, requires a lot of funding and resources to coordinate. This is many millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. That doesn't even cover the mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests, and do it in such a way that there's little to no tie-back to Iran directly. [Quote] Whoa there...the sum total of actual information from the primary source: “We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.” Where is the information about them
Internet propaganda also isn't at all what you think it is. When Russia did this, it wasn't just a bunch of Russian fan-boys that all hopped on Twitter and started trashing the U.S.. It's highly coordinated. That affort was 100s of millions of dollars, much of it funneled through what was called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnet_Research_Agency
You can be sure that Iran is likely doing something similar... and that it's not just a bunch of Ayatollah fans on X and Facebook at-will spouting off. The propaganda is carefully coordinated to ensure proper propagation to increase the viral-nature of it. None of these people are free (EDIT: free labor), despite it being a dictatorial country. This costs money, not only for the infrastructure to do it, but the planning, intelligence, and coordination.
For a country who's GDP is $400 million (I'll take your word for it), this is a large undertaking and not something they hand their credit card over for without looking at the bill. This doesn't even address the fact that they're doing the same thing in Europe, and probably also (to a lesser degree) the rest of Asia and South / Central America.
The sum total of information provided by the primary source on Iran’s activities
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“We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.”
Your take away from that list: ∙ Scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time ∙ Millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. ∙ Mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests ∙ A similar level of effort to what Russian mounted for the 2016 elections
That's quite a bit of conjecture...unless there's another source being ghost-cited for this particular briefing?
…and Iran’s GDP is ~$463 billion dollars. They have a ~$2 billion/year budget for funding these kinds of activities.
So...why are we assuming this funding is external, and who are we assuming it came from? There was mention of multiple sources above, but all that’s been linked is a primary source and a Fox News article reporting on that same primary source. Am I missing something?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's easy to armchair when you don't know anything about this... but it's not as simplistic as you think.
For one, to organize protests (from Iran) in another country many thousand miles away... and have it scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time, requires a lot of funding and resources to coordinate. This is many millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. That doesn't even cover the mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests, and do it in such a way that there's little to no tie-back to Iran directly.
Internet propaganda also isn't at all what you think it is. When Russia did this, it wasn't just a bunch of Russian fan-boys that all hopped on Twitter and started trashing the U.S.. It's highly coordinated. That affort was 100s of millions of dollars, much of it funneled through what was called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnet_Research_Agency
You can be sure that Iran is likely doing something similar... and that it's not just a bunch of Ayatollah fans on X and Facebook at-will spouting off. The propaganda is carefully coordinated to ensure proper propagation to increase the viral-nature of it. None of these people are free (EDIT: free labor), despite it being a dictatorial country. This costs money, not only for the infrastructure to do it, but the planning, intelligence, and coordination.
For a country who's GDP is $400 million (I'll take your word for it), this is a large undertaking and not something they hand their credit card over for without looking at the bill. This doesn't even address the fact that they're doing the same thing in Europe, and probably also (to a lesser degree) the rest of Asia and South / Central America.
SO TRACE THE PUTIN FUNDS IN THE USA WHO GETS THEM FOR WHAT ACTS
∙ A similar level of effort to what Russian mounted for the 2016 elections
That's quite a bit of conjecture...unless there's another source being ghost-cited for this particular briefing?
…and Iran’s GDP is ~$463 billion dollars. They have a ~$2 billion/year budget for funding these kinds of activities.
So...why are we assuming this funding is external, and who are we assuming it came from? There was mention of multiple sources above, but all that’s been linked is a primary source and a Fox News article reporting on that same primary source. Am I missing something?
WELL BILLIONS MILLIONS a lot of money but who got the money that is more interesting and what they did for it or with it
what did jarad the sob s-in-l of the rump get 2 billion from the saudi ? why is that not a bribe ???
' Grab 'em by the Pushy ! ' Biden_Joe threatened the life of Tara Reade, forcing her to flee. He did grab her by the pushy, inserting a digit, up against the wall. Oh, he'll deny it, but then, we all know he's a chronic pathological liar, a corrupt demented politician. Cross checking the chronology, you will discover that it was the same time period that he creeped Ashley's teenie bed, a coke spoon in hand, a ' Big Guy ' election prominently displayed, ' Wake up Ashley, I have a surprise for your thirteenth birthday ! Annual ! '. Politicians Gee, what a swell guy ! Not ! He needs to feel remorse for the harm he's done, face Constitutional Justice to learn of his doom. ' You are hereby sentenced to be taken to the prison yard at Leavenworth Penitentiary, there to be executed for the crime of treason ! Tomorrow at dawn. ' Benedict Arnold too was a turncoat, Biden_Joe has rendered the Nation defenseless, vulnerable to attack, millions of insurgents entering without consequence. That he diddled his daughter while raging on coke makes it a simple affidavit to remove him from office, overnight, escorted off the premises to an idling white van, bound for the psychological ward at Walter Reed, a rubber room and a strait jacket, to prevent self harm, naturally. ' I'm still the pretendadent ! ' ' South of France, Joe, a holiday ! Now, here, take your sedatives Joe, they'll help you sleep !'
' Grab 'em by the Pushy ! ' Biden_Joe threatened the life of Tara Reade, forcing her to flee. He did grab her by the pushy, inserting a digit, up against the wall. Oh, he'll deny it, but then, we all know he's a chronic pathological liar, a corrupt demented politician. Cross checking the chronology, you will discover that it was the same time period that he creeped Ashley's teenie bed, a coke spoon in hand, a ' Big Guy ' election prominently displayed, ' Wake up Ashley, I have a surprise for your thirteenth birthday ! Annual ! '. Politicians Gee, what a swell guy ! Not ! He needs to feel remorse for the harm he's done, face Constitutional Justice to learn of his doom. ' You are hereby sentenced to be taken to the prison yard at Leavenworth Penitentiary, there to be executed for the crime of treason ! Tomorrow at dawn. ' Benedict Arnold too was a turncoat, Biden_Joe has rendered the Nation defenseless, vulnerable to attack, millions of insurgents entering without consequence. That he diddled his daughter while raging on coke makes it a simple affidavit to remove him from office, overnight, escorted off the premises to an idling white van, bound for the psychological ward at Walter Reed, a rubber room and a strait jacket, to prevent self harm, naturally. ' I'm still the pretendadent ! ' ' South of France, Joe, a holiday ! Now, here, take your sedatives Joe, they'll help you sleep !'
this deplorable is delusional ^
btw the nation is far better off now then under the rump ruling reich
Your take away from that list: ∙ Scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time ∙ Millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. ∙ Mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests ∙ A similar level of effort to what Russian mounted for the 2016 elections
That's quite a bit of conjecture...unless there's another source being ghost-cited for this particular briefing?
…and Iran’s GDP is ~$463 billion dollars. They have a ~$2 billion/year budget for funding these kinds of activities.
So...why are we assuming this funding is external, and who are we assuming it came from? There was mention of multiple sources above, but all that’s been linked is a primary source and a Fox News article reporting on that same primary source. Am I missing something?
I have experience with this, having worked in intelligence for over a decade. Just saying, that's what the one-sentence summary correlates to.
Almost every single protest in this world is organized by some political group, nation state adversary, or global "elite." This is what people do not understand. Even something as simple as a protest against greyhound racing in South Florida... you do the research and discover the entire campaign was funded by the Seminole Indian Tribe. At the time, they owned the largest casino in the state, and dog track racing (with the slots they offered at the track) were their biggest competition. But you'd never know it, because you'd think (at least in Florida) it was all just about people concerned about the dogs.
The only two spontaneous protests that I've ever known, that weren't directly funded by some external entity, was after Obama authorized the hit on Osama Bin Laden, and everyone went out into the streets all over the country to celebrate... and when Fidel Castro died and everyone filled into the streets in Miami and South Florida to celebrate.
Everything else is part of a nation-state or political "campaign" to deny, disrupt, and degrade the United States for various intentions.
Almost every single protest in this world is organized by some political group, nation state adversary, or global "elite."
I always assume that people understand more than they do. I am done wasting my time helping them, just to have rayb call for the execution of American patriots.
I always assume that people understand more than they do. I am done wasting my time helping them, just to have rayb call for the execution of American patriots.
funny sad that they say the criminal with evil plans is ''their'' patriot
I also note the PAPER OF RECORD THE NEW YORK TIMES SAID
TRUMP IS UNFIT TO LEAD OUR NATION
THEY NEVER SAID THAT BEFORE
TREASON IS A REAL CRIME THOSE WHO COMMIT IT SHOULD DIE
