The above published paper actually disagrees with you. It clearly states that felons who, amongst the states which allow criminals to vote after serving their time, register as Democrats 70% of the time. These are prisoners who come from small towns, middle class, big cities, you name it... and it includes states such as North Carolina, New York, New Mexico, etc.
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Originally posted by BingB: For example, rural areas with a majority democrat population and controlled by democrats have LOWER crime rates than urban areas and big cities with majority republican population and controlled by republicans. Since Democrats control an overwhelming majority of big cities then the crime rate among democrats is going to be higher. So there is a statistical correlation but no causation. It would be like blaming sunburn on Republicans policies because more people get sunburns in Florida than in Vermont.
Crime in Democrat-run big cities has continued to climb year over year. Alternately, crime in Republican big cities has continued to decrease year over year. This is clearly because of Democrat-led policies that are soft on crime, such as an unwillingness to charge for certain crimes committed (doesn't mean the crime didn't occur, just means the criminal is free to commit the crime again). I could list them out, but I think you already know this. Let me know if you need me to refresh your memory.
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Originally posted by BingB: Mental illness is even more complicated. . . .
1. An overwhelming majority of people treated for mental illness seek out the treatment themselves. So most statistics are based on "self-reporting". Among conservatives there is more of a stigma attached to mental illness. It is often labeled as a weakness in character or even a sin. So a certain part of the answer is simply that more Democrats admit to mental illness and seek treatment than Republicans who are in denial or too ashamed to admit a problem and seek treatment.
2. Then there is the fact that people with higher IQs are more likely to suffer from metal issues ( as well as allergies, asthma, and autoimmune disease). https://bi gthink.com/neurop...e%20mood%20disorder.
I think this is a good time for us to discuss your prior discussion about causation and correlation.
- Those with higher IQs are pre-disposed to have a greater propensity of mental illness (correlation). - Those with higher IQs are more likely to have degrees (correlation). - Those with mental illness are more likely to be Democrat based on numerous surveys (causation?).
IMPORTANT ... Democrats are NOT more likely to be intelligent.
A common theme that's pushed is that "Democrats are smarter" ... this is a broad misrepresentation that said Democrats are more likely to have a degree. This is a great argument for causation or correlation... because it does NOT mean that they are smarter, it simply means the following: - Younger people are generally more likely to be liberal, and... - More younger people are getting degrees than at any time in history - The majority of these degrees are liberal arts degrees, and not science, engineering, or even something worthwhile - Pro-liberal surveys generally do not include the impoverished inner-city masses that actually make up the majority of the Democrat party.
Educational attainment does not necessarily equate to intelligence... if it did, I would be one of the smartest people in the world. Democrats are NOT smarter, just more likely to be insane and have at least one degree.
Alternately, there have been several published papers on studies that have actually concluded that in fact, Republicans have a firmer grasp of reality and higher cognitive ability (IQ). Based on evaluation of the General Social Survey (GSS), researchers have determined that: • Individuals who identify as Republican have greater probability knowledge • Individuals who identify as Republican have higher verbal reasoning ability • Individuals who identify as Republican have better question comprehension • Cognitive ability’s effect on party identity works through socio-economic position
Originally posted by BingB: 3. And finally, there is the problem with define "mental illness". For example, a person who believes something that has no basis in physical reality has a "delusional disorder". but Christians do not include themselves under the category of "mentally ill". So if we follow strict definitions I feel that just as many Republicans kave "mental disorders" as Democrats.
Fred, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY encourage you to continue to say things like this. With the onslaught of illegals coming across the border from South and Central America... they are anywhere from 95-97% Catholic, and there's nothing more insulting to them than belittling their faith. This is an excellent opportunity to help move more people to the Republican party from the party of insane criminals with useless degrees.
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I'm not really following these thought-streams... however, the take-away from me in this thread overall from you is...
You acknowledge crime is higher in cities, reluctantly acknowledge it's caused by Democrats in those cities, but it's OK because in your opinion, the crimes supposedly committed by Republicans are worse ... and that all of those poor people are justified to commit crimes, unless they're Jewish, Cuban, military (or from a military family), Christian, white, Eastern European, Haitian, Argentine, related to or are themselves police officers, lawyers, and God forbid, right-leaning. Did I miss anything?
BingBoy has now defined both religion and intelligence as symptoms of mental illness. That is probably why he claims to be all by himself standing in the middle of the road, at the center of the universe. We should have no god before Toast and pray to Fred for wisdom.
Edit: NOT A TOY!
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The above published paper actually disagrees with you. It clearly states that felons who, amongst the states which allow criminals to vote after serving their time, register as Democrats 70% of the time. These are prisoners who come from small towns, middle class, big cities, you name it... and it includes states such as North Carolina, New York, New Mexico, etc.
Actually they don't disagree with me at all. Like me they understand the difference between "causation" and "correlation".
I never denied that more criminals are democrats. All I did was prove that there was only a correlation and no causation. And if you don't believe me then just re-read the link you just p[osted. No where in there do they claim that criminal behavior is caused by party affiliation or party policies.
I am sorry that you can't understand the difference.
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Crime in Democrat-run big cities has continued to climb year over year. Alternately, crime in Republican big cities has continued to decrease year over year.
This is just a complete lie.
Crime went down in most big cities in 2023 no matter which party was in control.
IMPORTANT ... Democrats are NOT more likely to be intelligent.
I will admit that I was wrong on this one. My comment was based on the difference between "socially liberal and conservative" instead of "Republican and Democrat"
Research has consistently shown that people with higher cognitive ability tend to be more socially liberal (Deary et al., 2008a, Deary et al., 2008b, Heaven et al., 2011, Hodson and Busseri, 2012, Kanazawa, 2010, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Pesta et al., 2010, Schoon et al., 2010, Stankov, 2009) and less religious (Bell, 2002, Ganzach et al., 2013, Kanazawa, 2010, Lynn et al., 2009, Nyborg, 2009, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Zuckerman et al., 2013).
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:Fred, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY encourage you to continue to say things like this. With the onslaught of illegals coming across the border from South and Central America... they are anywhere from 95-97% Catholic, and there's nothing more insulting to them than belittling their faith. This is an excellent opportunity to help move more people to the Republican party from the party of insane criminals with useless degrees.
So I see that you can't dispute this point.
But I don't know why my comments would make any difference. I am not a Democrat or a Republican.
BingBoy has now defined both religion and intelligence as symptoms of mental illness. That is probably why he claims to be all by himself standing in the middle of the road, at the center of the universe. We should have no god before Toast and pray to Fred for wisdom.
Edit: NOT A TOY!
All I am doing is stating facts.
Says a lot about this place when stating actual facts qualifies one for deification.
I will admit that I was wrong on this one. My comment was based on the difference between "socially liberal and conservative" instead of "Republican and Democrat"
Research has consistently shown that people with higher cognitive ability tend to be more socially liberal (Deary et al., 2008a, Deary et al., 2008b, Heaven et al., 2011, Hodson and Busseri, 2012, Kanazawa, 2010, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Pesta et al., 2010, Schoon et al., 2010, Stankov, 2009) and less religious (Bell, 2002, Ganzach et al., 2013, Kanazawa, 2010, Lynn et al., 2009, Nyborg, 2009, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Zuckerman et al., 2013).
Most people are socially liberal. I'm socially liberal.
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Originally posted by BingB:So I see that you can't dispute this point.
But I don't know why my comments would make any difference. I am not a Democrat or a Republican.
There's nothing to dispute... it's your opinion. I have many reasons for my faith, which is totally rock solid and completely unshakeable. But that's me, I couldn't care less what your view of religion is... I just know that this is a very unappreciated view point among Hispanics, and I encourage you to let everyone know you're a Democrat just before you say those things...
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Originally posted by BingB: This is just a complete lie.
Crime went down in most big cities in 2023 no matter which party was in control.
LOL, did you even read your own link? - There were 33.5% more motor vehicle thefts from January through June 2023 compared to the first half of 2022. - The number of drug offenses increased by 1% over the same period. - Domestic violence incidents increased by 0.3% in 11 cities during the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2022 - Violent crimes remain elevated compared to 2019, the year prior to the COVID pandemic and racial justice protests of 2020. - There were 24% more homicides during the first half of 2023 than during the first half of 2019 in the study cities.
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I just know that this is a very unappreciated view point among Hispanics, and I encourage you to let everyone know you're a Democrat just before you say those things...
I am not a democrat. But one of the biggest issues I have with the DNC is immigration. So potential immigrants might not like what I have to say.
But it cracks me up that you believe that Republicans are currently making all these immigrants feel so welcome that it will take Democrats offending them to turn them away.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: LOL, did you even read your own link? - There were 33.5% more motor vehicle thefts from January through June 2023 compared to the first half of 2022. - The number of drug offenses increased by 1% over the same period. - Domestic violence incidents increased by 0.3% in 11 cities during the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2022 - Violent crimes remain elevated compared to 2019, the year prior to the COVID pandemic and racial justice protests of 2020. - There were 24% more homicides during the first half of 2023 than during the first half of 2019 in the study cities.
Yes I did read it. Overall crime is down. There was a drop in 7 of the 10 categories. It proves exactly what I said it did.
You claimed crime rate was still going up in Democrat controlled cities and this proves that you were wrong.
Crime rate went up in cities no matter which party was majority and held control. Now the crime rate is dropping in cities no matter which side is majority and holds control. That is exactly what I have been saying all along.
Originally posted by BingB: Yes I did read it. Overall crime is down. There was a drop in 7 of the 10 categories. It proves exactly what I said it did.
You claimed crime rate was still going up in Democrat controlled cities and this proves that you were wrong.
Crime rate went up in cities no matter which party was majority and held control. Now the crime rate is dropping in cities no matter which side is majority and holds control. That is exactly what I have been saying all along.
Most violent crime went down across America, and has been for 20-30 years.
Other, non-violent crimes went through the roof, primarily in Democrat cities. That's what it said. You're cherry-picking stats... and this source is a not a good source to quote. It's ONLY talking about crime from 2022-2023. You said crime dropped everywhere in all big cities... as if to say that Biden's policies haven't caused any harm.
What your article REALLY says is... "This snapshot suggests that levels of nearly all offenses are lower, or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022."
This does NOT mean that crime dropped substantially in all big cities. What it's saying, if you read it, is that crime basically stayed the same, but violent crime dropped slightly. If you read the websites reports for the other years... that is, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, it paints a totally different picture in these Democrat hell-holes.
2020-2021: "Homicides rose sharply in 2020, and rates of aggravated assaults and gun assaults increased as well. Homicide rates were 30% higher than in 2019, an historic increase representing 1,268 more deaths in the sample of 34 cities than the year before."
2021-2022: "The number of 2021 homicides in the cities studied was 5% greater than in 2020 – representing 218 additional murders in those cities – and 44% greater than in 2019, representing 1,298 additional lives lost."
And let's take a look at crime from two major Democrat-led cities...
Yes, 2020 was under Trump, yes it was under COVID, yes... Trump forced the lock down (per Democrat recommendation)... but these are DEMOCRAT cities... where they maintained the lock down well after, and comparing a "slight drop" in crime from 2022-2023... and touting it as a success is rather absurd. This is like trying to find an undigested corn nibblet in a huge pile of sh1t ... and saying it's good enough to eat.
More importantly though, is understand what DEMOCRATS were touting all during this time: - Defund the Police - Black Lives Matter (stoking the fire) - Election of Soros-backed DAs starting FY 2019 - Constant court fights to prevent Trump from securing the border
... and Day 1 of Biden... massive influx of illegals, every day, continued defunding of police throughout Democrat cities, and passage of local laws that essentially legalize theft under $500 or under $1,000. Alternately, in Miami for example, crime went up in 2020 just as it did everywhere, but it dropped in 2021, dropped in 2022, and dropped again in 2023. Crime has dropped more than 70% since Republicans took over that city.
EDIT: Edited to make it nicer, and less mean...
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Most violent crime went down across America, and has been for 20-30 years.
Other, non-violent crimes went through the roof, primarily in Democrat cities. That's what it said. You're cherry-picking stats... and this source is a not a good source to quote. It's ONLY talking about crime from 2022-2023. You said crime dropped everywhere in all big cities... as if to say that Biden's policies haven't caused any harm.
What your article REALLY says is... "This snapshot suggests that levels of nearly all offenses are lower, or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022."
This does NOT mean that crime dropped substantially in all big cities. What it's saying, if you read it, is that crime basically stayed the same, but violent crime dropped slightly. If you read the websites reports for the other years... that is, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, it paints a totally different picture in these Democrat hell-holes.
2020-2021: "Homicides rose sharply in 2020, and rates of aggravated assaults and gun assaults increased as well. Homicide rates were 30% higher than in 2019, an historic increase representing 1,268 more deaths in the sample of 34 cities than the year before."
2021-2022: "The number of 2021 homicides in the cities studi
I still don't see what party affiliation has to do with any of this. The exact same rises and falls happened all across the country in BOTH Republican and Democrat areas.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: And let's take a look at crime from two major Democrat-led cities...
Why just two democrat cities. Why not all cities including both Republican or Democrat.
Or better yet why not look at the areas with the LOWEST crime rate in the country. Ridgefield, Connecticut, Bergenfield, New Jersey, and Buckingham Township, Pennsylvania all boast a crime rate of 0, And all are controlled by DEMOCRATS.
If I wanted to cherry-pick I could do that, but that is not the proper way to look at the numbers.
I still don't see what party affiliation has to do with any of this. The exact same rises and falls happened all across the country in BOTH Republican and Democrat areas.
You keep saying this, I keep posting links proving you wrong. I don't know what else to tell you... either you aren't reading properly, or these facts really bother you.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You keep saying this, I keep posting links proving you wrong. I don't know what else to tell you... either you aren't reading properly, or these facts really bother you.
No. You keep posting examples of only two cities.
Facts don't bother me at all. Two or three cities does not prove anything. I just posted proof that the three safest places in the country (0% crime rate) are all controlled by democrats, but I am not dense enough to try to claim this proves that crime rate is based on political party control.
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Originally posted by BingB: No. You keep posting examples of only two cities.
Facts don't bother me at all. Two or three cities does not prove anything. I just posted proof that the three safest places in the country (0% crime rate) are all controlled by democrats, but I am not dense enough to try to claim this proves that crime rate is based on political party control.
I've posted numerous links that defiantly and definitively state that crime is committed overwhelmingly by those who lean left or are in fact actually registered Democrat.
For most here, they can see you simply don't like what's being presented because it goes against your narrative. Sorry... this is a "you" problem, not a me problem. Take care.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've posted numerous links that defiantly and definitively state that crime is committed overwhelmingly by those who lean left or are in fact actually registered Democrat.
For most here, they can see you simply don't like what's being presented because it goes against your narrative. Sorry... this is a "you" problem, not a me problem. Take care.
And I have also posted numerous slinks that prove that the relationship is just a correlation with no element of causation i.e., the areas with the lowest crime rate in the nation are controlled by dmeocrats.
The fact that you still do not understand the difference between "corelation" and "causation" is a "you" problem.
All of these are among the 100 Largest cities in the country
The overall crime rate in Fort Worth is 39.49% above the national average. Fort Worth ranks #8,390 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Dallas is 97.53% above the national average. Dallas ranks #9,259 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Oklahoma City is 59.25% above the national average. Oklahoma City ranks #8,749 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Fresno is 85.63% above the national average. Fresno ranks #9,134 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Omaha is 73.37% above the national average. Omaha ranks #8,979 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Miami is 42.22% above the national average. Miami ranks #8,442 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Tulsa is 123.79% above the national average. Tulsa ranks #9,452 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Bakersfield is 94.42% above the national average. Bakersfield ranks #9,228 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Aurora is 128.33% above the national average. Aurora ranks #9,474 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Lexington is 28.48% above the national average. Lexington ranks #8,119 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Stockton is 67.85% above the national average. Stockton ranks #8,889 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
The overall crime rate in Anchorage is 68.43% above the national average. Anchorage ranks #8,904 safest out of 9,869 cities in the United States.
All of these are among the 100 Largest cities in the country
Again, random post without any real context, or point. Comparing cities that have a population of 50 people like Brookfield, MO that have no crime because no one lives there, to other cities.
Democrat cities have gone up in crime, Republican cities have gone down in crime. Democrats don't enforce the laws, Republicans do. Democrats commit most of the crime, Republicans do not.
Democrat cities have gone up in crime, Republican cities have gone down in crime.
This just is not true at all. You can't just make stuff up in your head and claim it is true. Crime is going down EVERYWHERE. Even in Democrat controlled cities.
"Data from law enforcement across the United States paints a different picture for 2023. Key indicators show that the nation is experiencing a significant decline in violent crimes, including a marked reduction in homicides.
The statistics are particularly striking in America’s largest cities. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Phoenix have each reported homicide rates falling by more than 10%. The FBI’s preliminary data covering January to September of 2023 indicates an 8.2% drop in violent crime nationwide, with a sharp 15.6% decrease in murders."
Originally posted by BingB: This just is not true at all. You can't just make stuff up in your head and claim it is true. Crime is going down EVERYWHERE. Even in Democrat controlled cities.
"Data from law enforcement across the United States paints a different picture for 2023. Key indicators show that the nation is experiencing a significant decline in violent crimes, including a marked reduction in homicides.
The statistics are particularly striking in America’s largest cities. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Phoenix have each reported homicide rates falling by more than 10%. The FBI’s preliminary data covering January to September of 2023 indicates an 8.2% drop in violent crime nationwide, with a sharp 15.6% decrease in murders."
Once again... you reference violent crime, and then say "all crime is going down everywhere." This is not true... retail theft, carjackings, etc., are through the roof... mostly in Democrat-controlled areas. You continue to do this. Like I said, you take one thing, and then make it the centerpoint of your argument and try to conflate everything else to it as if you maybe think everyone else is too stupid to know any better. And even beyond that, you then take national stats for 1 year, which include Republican efforts, when I've clearly shown you that Democrat cities have actually had an increase in violent crime. You completely misrepresent stuff... I've called this out numerous times with your continuing to send shoddy links about "violent crime in 2023" ignoring the fact that we're talking about ALL crime (even though you say all crime) and then completely forgetting that crime in 2021 and 2022 was record-breaking. Yes... eventually a fire burns out.,.. that does not mean the fire never happened.
I've clearly shown you that Democrat cities have actually had an increase in violent crime.
No. You have not shown that at all. In fact I just posted a link that proves what I am saying is 100% true. The rate of violent crimes is dropping everywhere including cities controlled by Democrats. . . . .
"Data from law enforcement across the United States paints a different picture for 2023. Key indicators show that the nation is experiencing a significant decline in violent crimes, including a marked reduction in homicides.
The statistics are particularly striking in America’s largest cities. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Phoenix have each reported homicide rates falling by more than 10%. The FBI’s preliminary data covering January to September of 2023 indicates an 8.2% drop in violent crime nationwide, with a sharp 15.6% decrease in murders."
As for car thefts, the city with the biggest drop in auto theft rate for 2023 was St Paul Minnesota which is controlled by democrats. I am not saying that party affiliation had anything to do with it, but it disproves your claim that crime is going up in democrat controlled cities.
You have basically just posted anecdotal evidence from a couple of hand picked cities. I have cited studies that cover multiple cities.
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Originally posted by BingB: No. You have not shown that at all. In fact I just posted a link that proves what I am saying is 100% true. The rate of violent crimes is dropping everywhere including cities controlled by Democrats. . . . .
"Data from law enforcement across the United States paints a different picture for 2023. Key indicators show that the nation is experiencing a significant decline in violent crimes, including a marked reduction in homicides.
The statistics are particularly striking in America’s largest cities. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Phoenix have each reported homicide rates falling by more than 10%. The FBI’s preliminary data covering January to September of 2023 indicates an 8.2% drop in violent crime nationwide, with a sharp 15.6% decrease in murders."
As for car thefts, the city with the biggest drop in auto theft rate for 2023 was St Paul Minnesota which is controlled by democrats. I am not saying that party affiliation had anything to do with it, but it disproves your claim that crime is going up in democrat controlled cities.
You have basically just posted anecdotal evidence from a couple of hand picked cities. I have cited studies that cover multiple cities.
Once again... misrepresenting facts. Either you're borderline retarded, in which case I apologize and I'm impressed, or you are intentionally misrepresenting. Either way, I'm done responding. For the 6 people that post in this forum, you continue to do "your job," for the three people who support you.
Once again... misrepresenting facts. Either you're borderline retarded, in which case I apologize and I'm impressed, or you are intentionally misrepresenting. Either way, I'm done responding. For the 6 people that post in this forum, you continue to do "your job," for the three people who support you.
I am not misrepresenting anything. I will state the facts as simply as possible. If I am wrong then post some proof. And "proof" does not mean random anecdotal evidence from one or two cities.
1. Crime is higher in cities that in rural areas no matter which party is in control.
2. Violent crime is dropping all across the country including cities controlled by Democrats.
3. Theft is up all across the country including cities controlled by Republicans
