Meh. On second thought, not feeling that inspired about it. A small CO2-like bubble of thought that seemed like an epiphany rose to the surface, but the enthusiasm dissipated almost as soon as it surfaced.
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Meh. On second thought, not feeling that inspired about it. A small CO2-like bubble of thought that seemed like an epiphany rose to the surface, but the enthusiasm dissipated almost as soon as it surfaced.
But, maybe, it was an original thought, unlike the biased drivel you usually copy and paste here.
randye: Your inane "question" also indicates that you're still unwilling to stop conflating the terms "care" and "insurance" because it serves your Leftoid narrative.
FredBing: I am not doing that at all.
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Also FredBing: I admit that I am talking about the cost of healthcare instead of the quality.
FredBing then attempts to re-frame the argument again: So what do you think we should do to control the cost of healthcare?
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Notably, FredBing totally evades the original issue that I posed to him, namely that he wants someone else to pay for his medical care.
It's this kind of childish Leftist dishonesty that makes any serious discussion with them pointless.
They will say (and do) anything because their goal isn't to come to a mutually beneficial agreement. Their goal is always to win no matter what it takes Even an inconsequential chat on an obscure Dutch car forum.
Leftists gotta Leftist Going around and around in endless, illogical, dishonest, circles.
I still don't understand your confusion. I am talking about cost/access to healtcare. You can give it any name you want to. Cakk it "pumpkin spice" if you want to> i don't really care. But are you able to discuss that issue or not?
I am not trying to play any game. I am not re-framing anything. I feel that we should have some form of universal single pay health care system just like every other industrialized country on the planet,
And if you can't provide any legitimate opinion on the subject could you at least stop wasting our time with these mindless rants against the left?
BTW I have good insurance through my job, so I am not worried about who is paying for my insurance.
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Your masquerade is still wearing very, very thin "FredBing"
Additionally, if you dislike "rants" against Leftists so much, then don't pimp Leftist ideology "Mr. I'm in the center".
OH, and congratulations on your "good health insurance through your employer", which presumably is the taxpayers since you claim to be a teacher.
The Veterans Administration has provided me with excellent, free healthcare, eye care and dental despite the poor quality and wait times reported in other areas of the country.
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Your masquerade is still wearing very, very thin "FredBing"
If you dislike "rants" against Leftists so much, then don't pimp Leftist ideology "Mr. I'm in the center".
All I am doing is trying to have a discussion like adults.
I am sorry if this triggers you. But when I come to a political forum I like to discuss actual issues instead of just having a contest to see who can scream insults the loudest.
OH, and congratulations on your "good health insurance through your employer", which presumably is the taxpayers since you claim to be a teacher.
The Veterans Administration has provided me with excellent, free healthcare, eye care and dental despite the poor quality and wait times reported in other areas of the country.
And who funds the Veterans Administration? Taxpayers, perhaps?
In the end, taxpayers fund everything....even privately purchased healthcare insurance plans.
But really, that's such a bogus comment. How are taxpayers who are not privy to private healthcare insurance plans able to benefit from them? Simple, they don't.
Originally posted by olejoedad: In the end, taxpayers fund everything....
Nay, nay, taxpayers fund PART of the Federal budget (and the rascals borrow the rest). I give you, DATA, and ask Democrats, Republicans, Independents, (and everyone else), how this makes you feel. Bullish? Nauseous? Dizzy?
OH, and congratulations on your "good health insurance through your employer", which presumably is the taxpayers since you claim to be a teacher.
The Veterans Administration has provided me with excellent, free healthcare, eye care and dental despite the poor quality and wait times reported in other areas of the country.
My insurance is through my employer. What is your point?
The fact that I am fortunate enough to have insurance does not mean that I don't see the problem with the rest of the population. In fact this is a very personal issue with me because I have a good friend whose life was destroyed because unaffordable health care.
But really, that's such a bogus comment. How are taxpayers who are not privy to private healthcare insurance plans able to benefit from them? Simple, they don't.
The cost of employer provided health care is factored in to the cost of the product made or the service rendered by the employer. Taxpayers buy the product or service, thereby paying for the insurance provided by that employer.
Originally posted by BingB: -We need immigration reform because the flood of immigrants are overburdening our public schools and support system. And the illegals sneeking in are only a small portion of the problem. Hundreds of thousands are allowed to enter seeking asylum.
First, "immigration reform" is so generic. It's like saying "it's hot outside".
How come Biden allows the flood of illegal aliens to enter and overburden our public schools, our medical care, our Welfare system, and our employment opportunities ?
How did Trump keep out illegal aliens without "comprehensive immigration reform", what ever that means
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Originally posted by BingB: -We need firearm regulation because it is too easy from violent criminals to obtain guns and too difficult for police to enforce the laws we already have.
All felons are prohibited from ever owning a gun. I feel much safer because Martha Stewert is not allowed to own a gun. Those laws don't stop violent criminals from obtaining guns. Your police reasoning has no merit.
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Originally posted by BingB: -We need healthcare reform because millions have no insurance and we consumers end up paying for their health care while health insurance companies make billions in profits.
Everyone has health insurance even if it is crappy ObamaCare. Which all taxpayers provide.
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Originally posted by BingB: -We need election reform because big money has too much influence on elections and the two-party system is ruining everything.
The cost of employer provided health care is factored in to the cost of the product made or the service rendered by the employer. Taxpayers buy the product or service, thereby paying for the insurance provided by that employer.
Taxpayers pay for everything in the end.
Not sure what point you're trying to make, but you're only backing up what I stated.
I don't hear many people from our northern neighbor bragging about their healthcare.
How many Canadians do you speak to on a daily basis? Probably zero.
The socialized healthcare system we have in Canada isn't perfect, but it's vastly superior to the healthcare for profit system you have in the States. In Canada (and most other first-world countries), healthcare is available to everyone... and not at the risk of going bankrupt.
The fact that I am fortunate enough to have insurance does not mean that I don't see the problem with the rest of the population. In fact this is a very personal issue with me because I have a good friend whose life was destroyed because unaffordable health care.
Your feelings don't mean squat.
Proper public policy and legislation is NOT made on the basis of emotions / feelings.
All felons are prohibited from ever owning a gun. I feel much safer because Martha Stewert is not allowed to own a gun. Those laws don't stop violent criminals from obtaining guns. Your police reasoning has no merit.
Since there is no gun registration law any private party can sell a gun to a violent criminal without fear of being held responsible. It is nearly impossible to trace firearm sales without a registration requirement.
If police encounter an individual with a weapon it is impossible to immediately determine if he is legally allowed to possess that gun.
Think of enforcing driving restrictions with no drivers licensing. Or enforcing auto theft laws with no vehicle registration.
The only people who benefit from our current system are violent criminals and gun manufacturers. Responsible gun owners are the victims of weak gun laws.
Everyone has health insurance even if it is crappy ObamaCare. Which all taxpayers provide.
30 million U S citizens disagree.
And even with insurance many citizens can not afford health care. 60% of bankruptcies are based on medical bills. Millions do without prescription medication.
Originally posted by cliffw: How come Biden allows the flood of illegal aliens to enter and overburden our public schools, our medical care, our Welfare system, and our employment opportunities ?
I strongly oppose Bidens position on immigration. I don't try to defend it.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
How did Trump keep out illegal aliens without "comprehensive immigration reform", what ever that means
He didn't. In 2019 apprehensions and expulsions at the border were the highest they had been since 2007. Then Covid shut down the wave of immigrants.
Good law is not based on emotions or feelings. The DOL is far too often misguided.
I have 15 years of experience in Safety Management, including direct interaction with the USDOT and USDOL. You don't know what you are talking about.
Universal health care will promote economic growth. Corporate profits will increase when they don't have to pay for health insurance. Healthier work force is more productive. People are free to start their own businesses instead of being a slave to a job simply because of health insurance. That is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY ON EARTH has some for of universal health care.
And corporations fought tooth and nail against child labor laws and health and safety regulations because they reduced corporate profits. How exactly did child labor laws promote economic growth?
Originally posted by BingB: Universal health care will promote economic growth. Corporate profits will increase when they don't have to pay for health insurance. Healthier work force is more productive. People are free to start their own businesses instead of being a slave to a job simply because of health insurance. That is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY ON EARTH has some for of universal health care.
And corporations fought tooth and nail against child labor laws and health and safety regulations because they reduced corporate profits. How exactly did child labor laws promote economic growth?
They fought against them 100 years ago. Get caught up to the present.
Question. With universal health care, what is the research and development funding mechanism? I ask because I've never heard an answer to that question. I too believe that health care costs are absurd.
Originally posted by olejoedad: With universal health care, what is the research and development funding mechanism? I ask because I've never heard an answer to that question.
Universal health care does involve nationalizing the pharmaceutical industry. Drug companies that come up with new medicine or treatments will still have trademark protection so that they can reap all of the profits for 25 years. There will still be heated competition to come up with new drugs.
A lot of scientific/medical research is done at the university level through grants. That will not stop. The most recent huge breakthrough in medicine involves genetic editing (CRISPER). That technology was developed with federal grant money, but now private enterprises are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for treatments using it.
The American Heart Association, American Cancer Association, and all of those types of institutions will still raise money to fund research.
Health INSURANCE companies will be the ones eliminated and they currently fund ZERO medical research and development.
