Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then there is the Occupy Wall Street movement which would vehemently disagree with your characterization that the government polices the rich.
Again the point is going over your head.
The Occupy Wall Street movement AGREES with me 100% that it is the governments job to protect the disadvantaged from the power of wealth.
Do both of those without using any of the usual Leftist class resentment and envy.
Dang, randy, I knew you were not very bright, but I thought you would know the meaning of these simple words.
Rich.....having a great deal of money or assets.
Poor.....lacking material possessions
But if you look at my original post you will see that I am talking about the "middle class" which is not necessarily "poor". I may have used the two terms interchangeably, but in general I am talking about the wealthy exploiting the middle and lower class.
Originally posted by fredtoast: Again the point is going over your head.
The Occupy Wall Street movement AGREES with me 100% that it is the governments job to protect the disadvantaged from the power of wealth.
Which means the government current does not, otherwise there would not be an OWS movement. So this is just your wish list, not anything anchored in reality.
Originally posted by randye: You Leftoids just can't help yourselves can you?
It's ALWAYS about Marxist class resentment and envy with you.
It's ALWAYS about Marxist "oppressors" and "oppressed" with you.
175 YEARS of FAILURE of Marxist ideology and there's still fools like you lining up to pimp for it.
Not only that, but they are illiterate of economics. Poor people obviously are not employers. There are some small business people who could be classified as middle class. Ironically, the same laws these ignorant people push burden small businesses the most.
All of these class warriors are useful idiots for the crony capitalists. All of these extra laws and regulations are used by the crony capitalists to protect their positions in the market.
Originally posted by randye: You Leftoids just can't help yourselves can you?
It's ALWAYS about Marxist class resentment and envy with you.
It's ALWAYS about Marxist "oppressors" and "oppressed" with you.
175 YEARS of FAILURE of Marxist ideology and there's still fools like you lining up to pimp for it.
some one needs a reminder
no liberal government ever went commie the exact RWNJ failing government is an actual fact needed before any commie take over A RIGHTWING FAILURE ALWAYS PRECEDES COMMIES
there is no slippery slope never was any danger of liberals going commie NOT ANY WHERE AT ANY TIME EVERY TIME HAS BEEN RWNJ'S FIRST
Originally posted by randye: You Leftoids just can't help yourselves can you?
It's ALWAYS about Marxist class resentment and envy with you.
It's ALWAYS about Marxist "oppressors" and "oppressed" with you.
175 YEARS of FAILURE of Marxist ideology and there's still fools like you lining up to pimp for it.
Can you please learn to read and respond to what I say. I know it is difficult to break the way they have trained you to respond to any mention of "wealthy" and "poor", but here is what I actually said
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Originally posted by fredtoast:
We need a capitalist economy to promote efficiency and innovation.
I don't want "socialism" or "communism" in America. All I want is an honest government that admits that in a capitalist system the gains of the "winners" come from the "losers", and puts some systems in place to protect and care for the losers. Do things to balance the scales. If citizens see the system as rigged against them then they don't have as much incentive to strive for success.
Why can't you have an actual conversation about what I actually say?
This exact same thing happened in a thread where I siad I was a gun oowner and suggested gun laws that would not prevent any citizen from legally owning a gun.
"OMG!! OMG!!! LIBERALS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY ALL OUR GUNS!!!"
You all are so brainwashed that you can not even respond to what I say in any way other than right-wing speaking points.
Originally posted by Doug85GT: Ironically, the same laws these ignorant people push burden small businesses the most.
No they don't. This is just a speaking point that you have been programmed to respond with. Give me an example of a regulation I am proposing that hurts small business the most.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:
All of these class warriors are useful idiots for the crony capitalists. All of these extra laws and regulations are used by the crony capitalists to protect their positions in the market.
Again you are just blindly parroting speaking points.
Please give an example of "extra laws" I am proposing that are used by crony capitalist to protect their position in the market. You have no clue what you are talking about.
It's ALWAYS about Marxist class resentment and envy with you.
It's ALWAYS about Marxist "oppressors" and "oppressed" with you.
175 YEARS of FAILURE of Marxist ideology and there's still fools like you lining up to pimp for it.
It takes a special kind of "dumb" to imagine that the most recent 175 years of history can be reduced in its entirety to the failures of Marxist ideology.
And lest anyone be tempted to quibble that randye didn't say that the most recent 175 years of history can be reduced in its entirety to the failures of Marxist ideology, think again. That's all randye ever talks about... 99 percent. Here's a case where fredtoast started a forum topic by expressing some liberal to progressive sentiments (but not any really specific ideas) about the role of government, and the only reaction from these MAGA-brainwashed thumbsuckers is to pretend like fredtoast is staging a public reading of the Communist Manifesto.
Originally posted by fredtoast: No they don't. This is just a speaking point that you have been programmed to respond with. Give me an example of a regulation I am proposing that hurts small business the most.
Again you are just blindly parroting speaking points.
Please give an example of "extra laws" I am proposing that are used by crony capitalist to protect their position in the market. You have no clue what you are talking about.
LOL. You did not propose anything. All you have done so far is list existing laws and your feels. What original proposal do you have?
AS EVIL NASTY AND WICKED IS THE Gop BRAND EVERY DAY IN EVERY WAY MAKE THE RICH RICHER AND THE POOR POORER
and any attempt to stop that brings out the RWNJ'S who scream COMMIES ENDLESSLY because they like it that way and are well paid to defend the 1%'s looting and will never give a sucker a break
Originally posted by Doug85GT: You did not propose anything. All you have done so far is list existing laws and your feels. What original proposal do you have?
I am asking you about "the laws these ignorant people push". That was YOUR comment, not mine. And I have no idea what you are talking about. That is why I asked.
Same with YOUR quote about "new laws" used by crony capitalists.
So please explain. It is impossible for you to be against something unless you know what that thing is, right? Unless you are just parroting speaking points like you have been trained.
BTW my number one suggestion would be for all public schools to be ran by the state with equal funding for all. The disadvantaged having to go to the worst schools while the richest go to the best is a major issue perpetuating wealth inequality.
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Then who would pick the crops... for next to nothing? No, I'm not being facetious. People born and raised in the States (and/or Canada) aren't going to do menial tasks for "slave" wages.
Originally posted by fredtoast: I am asking you about "the laws these ignorant people push". That was YOUR comment, not mine. And I have no idea what you are talking about. That is why I asked.
Same with YOUR quote about "new laws" used by crony capitalists.
So please explain. It is impossible for you to be against something unless you know what that thing is, right? Unless you are just parroting speaking points like you have been trained.
BTW my number one suggestion would be for all public schools to be ran by the state with equal funding for all. The disadvantaged having to go to the worst schools while the richest go to the best is a major issue perpetuating wealth inequality.
So you want me to do your homework for you. I'm feeling generous so I'll give you one example. Useful idiots made it so that individuals could sue businesses for ADA violations in California. As a results mom and pop restaurants all over the state were shook down by wheelchair nazis. Your restaurant was built in 1940 and does not technically fall under the ADA, too bad. You will still have to spend $10k+ to defend yourself in court or you pay the wheelchair nazi $8k to go away. You have to sell a lot of $7 hamburgers to pay off these extortionists. A large number of them went out of business. I personally know of a handful in my town. That is a crony capitalist law done for the lawyers who lobbied for it.
No. I will do all the homework to back up my claims. I am just asking you to back up your claims.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:
I'm feeling generous so I'll give you one example. Useful idiots made it so that individuals could sue businesses for ADA violations in California. As a results mom and pop restaurants all over the state were shook down by wheelchair nazis. Your restaurant was built in 1940 and does not technically fall under the ADA, too bad. You will still have to spend $10k+ to defend yourself in court or you pay the wheelchair nazi $8k to go away. You have to sell a lot of $7 hamburgers to pay off these extortionists. A large number of them went out of business. I personally know of a handful in my town. That is a crony capitalist law done for the lawyers who lobbied for it.
This is not true at all. Not one business was forced to close due to frivolous lawsuits over ADA violations.
Handicapped people are entitled to access to public facilities. That has nothing to do with crony capitalism. It has to do with basic human rights and dignity. I am disgusted by anyone who wants to repeal that law. It is like crying about how "mom and pop businesses" could not be profitable without child labor at 50 cents an hour.
Originally posted by fredtoast: If a group of 100 people worked in a system where $100 of wealth was split so that ten people got to share $90 and the other 90 had to get by on sharing $10 most of the people would say that the system needed to be fixed or adjusted.
Ah, you have not heard of the golden rule. The ones who MAKES the $100.00 dollars controls how much he wants to keep. The one with the gold gets to make the rules.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: But here in America the 90% are told that any form of financial equality is unfair and even "evil". They are sold the "American dream".
Define the American dream !
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Instead of caring about the entire population they are told that it is best for a small percentage to control a grossly disproportionate amount of the wealth, and that "anyone can make it". So the struggling 90% turn on each other and try to climb over each other to get to the top instead of working together to help everyone.
Caring about the entire population ? We are and have been the most charity generous people on the planet in history. We get to make the golden rules on where our money goes.
Any one can make it. I did, defeating all the obstacles in my way. I could have made it better but I was happy. Any one in business, those starting a business, do try to "climb overt" all others.
Pretend that this forum is a money making business. You are the owner. How would you distribute the $100.00 ?
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Originally posted by fredtoast: But what they are not told is that in The United States the wealth of an individual is affected more by the wealth of his parents than in almost any other industrialized country. The system in place here in America is not as much of a "meritocracy" as it is in other countries. Instead, it is much more of a "plutocracy" where the wealthy use money to make more money instead of working to make more money and the benefits of wealth are passed down from generation to generation.
No one needed to explain to me that family wealth is passed down. Nor that it takes money to make more money.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: We need a capitalist economy to promote efficiency and innovation. But "everyone" can not succeed in a capitalist system. By definition a capitalist system insures there will be both winners and losers. So it is unfair to salesell "capitalism" to masses as a system where "everyone can succeed if they just work hard". That is not possible in a capitalist system. It is a blatant lie.
There are both winners and losers in the animal world.
Then who would pick the crops... for next to nothing? No, I'm not being facetious. People born and raised in the States (and/or Canada) aren't going to do menial tasks for "slave" wages.
Ask me what my first job was, ask me how many times I took temp jobs that did just that. I didn't keep working those job, I moved on to better paying jobs. Never stopped looking but I did what I had to do to keep food on the table.
Ask me what my first job was, ask me how many times I took temp jobs that did just that.
My first summer job rebuilding electric lawnmower motors paid $1.65 per hr back in in 1971... but IMO what you and I did in our youth doesn't necessarily have a heckuva lot of relevance to what a lot of young people today are willing to do for peanuts.
Originally posted by Patrick: Gotta say... that's perhaps the first time I've ever seen those two words used together.
You have not lived a full life yet.
I am again living in San Antonio. City codes state that we use three different color trash containers. Trash, Recycling, and Organic. (Which we do not have inside our home.)
We have garbage nazis who drive around just to look to see if the right disposal is in the right color can. They gave me a warning. Next time, I will be fined.
Originally posted by Patrick: My first summer job rebuilding electric lawnmower motors paid $1.65 per hr back in in 1971... but IMO what you and I did in our youth doesn't necessarily have a heckuva lot of relevance to what a lot of young people today are willing to do for peanuts.
What was $1.65 in peanuts in 1971 ? What are peanuts today ?
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Originally posted by Patrick: ... repairing electric lawnmower motors ...
Electric lawnmowers in 1971 ? I believe you but I am surprise they existed.
I am again living in San Antonio. City codes state that we use three different color trash containers. Trash, Recycling, and Organic. (Which we do not have inside our home.)
We have garbage nazis who drive around just to look to see if the right disposal is in the right color can. They gave me a warning. Next time, I will be fined.
"Patriotism is the last refuge refuse of scoundrels."
Originally posted by cliffw: I am again living in San Antonio. City codes state that we use three different color trash containers. Trash, Recycling, and Organic. (Which we do not have inside our home.)
We have garbage nazis who drive around just to look to see if the right disposal is in the right color can. They gave me a warning. Next time, I will be fined.
Then elect public officials that will change the law. Or challenge the legitimacy of the law in court.
The Constitution is only a tool. It doesn't help people who are too lazy to go to work with it. So stop whining about being a victim and do something to change it.
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My first summer job rebuilding electric lawnmower motors paid $1.65 per hr back in in 1971... but IMO what you and I did in our youth doesn't necessarily have a heckuva lot of relevance to what a lot of young people today are willing to do for peanuts.
Kids today don't know how good they have it
I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.*
*Fourth Yorkshireman
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Electric lawnmowers go back a heckuva lot longer than that... but this particular model Sunbeam mower was the type that I was rebuilding the motors for back in '71.
Originally posted by fredtoast: ... elect public officials that will change the law. Or challenge the legitimacy of the law in court.
Why would I want the law changed ? We just moved here and mistakenly put the wrong trash in wrong colored can.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: The Constitution is only a tool. It doesn't help people who are too lazy to go to work with it. So stop whining about being a victim and do something to change it.
Constitution, ? I am not whining and I am not a victim.
I am again living in San Antonio. City codes state that we use three different color trash containers. Trash, Recycling, and Organic. (Which we do not have inside our home.)
We have garbage nazis who drive around just to look to see if the right disposal is in the right color can. They gave me a warning. Next time, I will be fined.
This reference to "garbage nazis" looks like whining to me. As if cliffw would rather not be subject to these city codes... which suggests that cliffw would like to see these city code laws changed, irrespective of whether he deems it worth his time and energy to get involved with trying to have these laws changed. So I have to second what fredtoast said, where he's been quoted here by cliffw. There's no distance between myself and fredtoast on this particular nuance of the discussion.
As I said before: "Patriotism is the last refuge refuse of scoundrels."
(See what I did there?)
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Originally posted by Patrick: ... but this particular model Sunbeam mower was the type that I was rebuilding the motors for back in '71.
That is a cool ... talent. I have never tried to do that. They are the same, I imagine, as a automobile starter, alternator, and other motors. Which people pay that type of specialty business to do. I know all (I think) such things have stator, windings, brushings, perhaps more.
Originally posted by rinselberg: This reference to "garbage nazis" looks like whining to me. As if cliffw would rather not be subject to these city codes... which suggests that cliffw would like to see these city code laws changed, irrespective of whether he deems it worth his time and energy to get involved with trying to have these laws changed. So I have to second what fredtoast said, where he's been quoted here by cliffw. There's no distance between myself and fredtoast on this particular nuance of the discussion.
There you go again. Thinking. Looks like to you ? Think what you want, believe what you think. You are never wrong.
Time and energy to get these laws changed ? Again, as I told your cohort fredtoast, why would I want the law changed ? I made a mistake in knowing the new (to me) system. Fact is, I can throw any trash in the general trash container.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: As I said before: "Patriotism is the last refuge refuse of scoundrels." (See what I did there?)
Amazing. You owned up to it twice. See what I did there ?
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Ah, you have not heard of the golden rule. The ones who MAKES the $100.00 dollars controls how much he wants to keep. The one with the gold gets to make the rules.
No he doesn't. Our government stops him from forming monopolies, price fixing, paying less than minimum wage, charging usurious interest rates, etc, etc. Government also control whgat percentage he pays in taxes. That is the best way to cure wealth inequality problems.
I am not saying everyone gets equal share. I am just saying that the middle and lower classes get a more reasonable share. Right now the system is rigged against them, so their share keeps getting smaller and smaller.
I am not saying everyone gets equal share. I am just saying that the middle and lower classes get a more reasonable share. Right now the system is rigged against them, so their share keeps getting smaller and smaller.
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Au contraire fraudulent toasted one. You are actually quite easy to understand.
Just in this past week you have pimped for:
More gun laws
Bestiality
Marxism
....just to name a few...
Over the years your type has come and gone from here with regularity, each time burning furiously but briefly and never offering anything new but each one of you full of self-certainty and arrogance that you are deigning to lecture the poor, knuckle dragging, benighted, conservatives with your "magnificent knowledge and wisdom".
In short; You ain't nothin' new little fella.
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Deutsche Bank privately suspected that Trump was a money-laundering operation for Russia/Putin ….but Deutsche Bank employee Justin Kennedy (son of Justice Anthony Kennedy) arranged loans for Trump, regardless his own Bank’s concerns. https://nbcnews.com/politics
Mikel Jollett @Mikel_Jollett Your daily reminder that all of this ends with the revelation that Trump has been laundering money for the Russian mafia/putin
the new guy did NOT cause the rump to be exposed as a fraud nor did he allow the mob to con-troll russia
I ask again how much did the rump grift from you randye and when will you abandon the rump for criminal actions lying or fraud or rape
