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FBI Finally Admits Seth Rich is Source of DNC Email "Hack" by Doug85GT
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After years of RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!!! The FBI is forced to reveal the truth that they knew all along.

https://storage.courtlisten...txed.197917.92.0.pdf

I wonder if Fox News can get their money back from Seth Rich's parents?
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You hear that muted rumbling?

Patience, my friends...

We hold all the cards.
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You hear that muted rumbling?

Patience, my friends...

We hold all the cards.


We may hold all the cards, but I don't think it's for the right game.
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We may hold all the cards, but I don't think it's for the right game.


joe is winning at progressive prosperity

while the rump's are playing at being revolting while BSing about draining a swamp
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Westchester County DA ends probe of Trump golf course without filing charges
 
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"The Westchester County District Attorney's Office conducted an investigation regarding certain properties owned by Donald J. Trump and/or the Trump Organization located in Westchester County, New York," read a statement from the office. "Our investigation is now closed. We approached this investigation as we do all of our investigations, objectively, and independent of politics, party affiliation and personal or political beliefs."

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There is no evidence that Rich was the source of the leak.. Everyone who even tried to hint that he was involved have admitted they were either lying or had no legitimate evidence to back up their cliams.

Fox will never get their money back from Rich's family because they lied about him. It is sad that you all still fall for this stuff.

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joe is winning at progressive prosperity



I guess that's what it's called when everything costs 30% more than it did two years ago.
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I guess that's what it's called when everything costs 30% more than it did two years ago.

That's why I don't even try to help these people anymore. They just spout meaningless crap, then claim victory.

It is bizarre. It isn't even entertaining anymore.
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I guess that's what it's called when everything costs 30% more than it did two years ago.


that is what happens when the rump gave the rich too BIG a TAX CUTS

mo MONEY less stuff
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

After years of RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!!! The FBI is forced to reveal the truth that they knew all along.

https://storage.courtlisten...txed.197917.92.0.pdf

I wonder if Fox News can get their money back from Seth Rich's parents?



So the quote in the lawsuit states this:

"After years of denials, the FBI has finally admitted that Seth Rich is directly linked to the “hack” of the Democratic National Committee email servers in 2016."

I'm not sure this necessarily means it's true. It's simply a claim being made by the Plaintiff of the Defendant (FBI). They didn't reference anything in the clarification to state where this was acknowledged. The significance of course, if true, is that Seth Rich could have been killed because of potential involvement ... which would make it suspect. That he was very pro-American leads me to believe that he was more Republican than Democrat... so it's quasi-believable. But just wanted to state that this doesn't really mean it's true because the plaintiff states it.
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That he was very pro-American leads me to believe that he was more Republican than Democrat... so it's quasi-believable. .

So now it is "Pro-American" to collude with Russia to influence an election?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

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So now it is "Pro-American" to collude with Russia to influence an election?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?


For one, there was never any proof that Trump colluded with Russia to influence an election. There was however, collusion from Democrats with Russians and foreign nationals to intentionally sway the election (Steele Dossier). So like with everything... whatever the Democrats accuse Republicans of, it's actually the Democrats that have done such a thing.

As for being Pro-American... I don't think you need me to tell you that if someone has an American flag on their house, there's a statistically greater chance that they are Republican. Democrats, over the past ~15 years, have become less and less prideful of America. They've held power significantly more than Republicans have. During the 40s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the NAZIs. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the Russians (e.g., Hanoi Jane, etc.). When we killed Iran's Revolutionary Guard leader, it was Democrats that apologized to Iran. I really would like to understand why this is... but I think Democrats are raised to believe that America is flawed, and that because it's flawed, it needs to be destroyed. Most Democrats, if given the chance, would completely eliminate the United States and the Constitution, and would much rather be part of the EU.

Again, I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know... but Democrats as a group, largely detest the United States and what it stands for.


In addition, I apologize for having to bring this up, but the Democrat party has a pretty detestable and horrible history. You, as a Democrat, and your opinions, have absolutely no basis for criticizing others. Let's take a look at the history that the left owns? ...
- Native American Trail of Tears
- Nuclear Weapons, using not one, but the only two nuclear weapons ever used in war time... killing over 380k people in a 24-hour period.
- Formation of the KKK, started by Democrat politicians.
- Jim Crowe laws, they were all Democrats
- Sympathy towards Communism (for the past 70 years)
- Sympathy for the NAZIs during the war from Democrat-states
- Education Segregation
- Eugenics and forced sterilization of blacks (Margaret Sanger)
- Internment Camps (forced jailing of Japanese U.S. citizens)
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- The Confederacy, secession, and declaring war on the United States.
- Agent Orange
- Until just a few years ago... the Democrats had a sitting former Grand Master of the KKK (Manchin replaced him)
- Even Jim Jones, who created a radical cult and killed all his followers in a mass suicide, was a Democrat

I mean, literally every bad thing you can imagine in our history, was as a direct result of Democrats and Democrat leadership. In rare situations, you had a Democrat like JFK, who bucked his party and helped Republicans pass the voting rights act, despite the fact that it was near unanimous among Democrats to vote against it... and JFK died for this. The history of the Democrat party is SO horrible that they've come up with a totally absurd concept of trying to blame it all on Republicans. Trying to state that when Democrats did bad things, they were really Republicans. So... does that mean FDR was a Republican, JFK, what was Reagan? I mean... it's ridiculous. Democrats have this oddly concocted story where everyone in the South were actually Republicans, and then magically they all became Democrats again when FDR was elected, and then shortly after they became Republicans again, and then Eisenhower was really a Democrat, and then magically they all switched back again when Kenned was elected... but oddly enough, they were still Democrats, even though they were actually Republicans... I mean, it's the most ridiculous nonsense you've ever heard. It's painful to watch a Democrat historian trying to explain-away all this bad history. Senator Prescott Bush voted for the Civil Rights act in 1964, and he certainly wasn't a Democrat, and Democrat Senator Albert Gore Senior voted AGAINST it.

Your holier than thou attitude is completely ridiculous. The Democrat party has an absolutely... absolutely horrible past... and they are still guilty of some of the most horrible things even today. The Democrat party is like the family member who's always on drugs, always getting in trouble, always finding themselves, and always causing problems... and we treat them like the prodigal son every time.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

For one, there was never any proof that Trump colluded with Russia to influence an election. There was however, collusion from Democrats with Russians and foreign nationals to intentionally sway the election (Steele Dossier). So like with everything... whatever the Democrats accuse Republicans of, it's actually the Democrats that have done such a thing.

As for being Pro-American... I don't think you need me to tell you that if someone has an American flag on their house, there's a statistically greater chance that they are Republican. Democrats, over the past ~15 years, have become less and less prideful of America. They've held power significantly more than Republicans have. During the 40s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the NAZIs. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the Russians (e.g., Hanoi Jane, etc.). When we killed Iran's Revolutionary Guard leader, it was Democrats that apologized to Iran. I really would like to understand why this is... but I think Democrats are raised to believe that America is flawed, and that because it's flawed, it needs to be destroyed. Most Democrats, if given the chance, would completely eliminate the United States and the Constitution, and would much rather be part of the EU.

Again, I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know... but Democrats as a group, largely detest the United States and what it stands for.

This is riddled with unsupportable nonsense.

I would put the first paragraph (about Trump) aside. That's arguable. Put the first paragraph aside and what remains is... I don't even want to take the time for it. I award it the Golden Flush Award. This is where it belongs:



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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
So the quote in the lawsuit states this:

"After years of denials, the FBI has finally admitted that Seth Rich is directly linked to the “hack” of the Democratic National Committee email servers in 2016."

I'm not sure this necessarily means it's true. It's simply a claim being made by the Plaintiff of the Defendant (FBI). They didn't reference anything in the clarification to state where this was acknowledged. The significance of course, if true, is that Seth Rich could have been killed because of potential involvement ... which would make it suspect. That he was very pro-American leads me to believe that he was more Republican than Democrat... so it's quasi-believable. But just wanted to state that this doesn't really mean it's true because the plaintiff states it.


This is a FOIA suit which the FBI lost. They even lied several times to the court. They have had files from Seth Rich's laptop since 2018. Their latest tactic is they are trying to stretch out the release of the data over 66 years.

Since the judge has sided with the plantiffs, I will take their word over the FBI whom are proven to have lied several times.

https://nationalfile.com/fb...elease-for-66-years/
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This is riddled with unsupportable nonsense.

I would put the first paragraph (about Trump) aside. That's arguable. Put the first paragraph aside and what remains is... I don't even want to take the time for it. I award it the Golden Flush Award. This is where it belongs:



https://www.pewresearch.org...who-you-might-think/

Pew Poll: "73% of Republicans say they display the flag at home, work, or on their car; this compares with 63% of independents and 55% of Democrats."
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

This is a FOIA suit which the FBI lost. They even lied several times to the court. They have had files from Seth Rich's laptop since 2018. Their latest tactic is they are trying to stretch out the release of the data over 66 years.

Since the judge has sided with the plantiffs, I will take their word over the FBI whom are proven to have lied several times.

https://nationalfile.com/fb...elease-for-66-years/



While I agree with you, I have to affirm that unless there is something tangible that specifically states that this is the true, then it's merely hearsay and hypothetical.

The possible crime here right now, is the FBI's insistence on withholding the information without proper justification.
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For one, there was never any proof that Trump colluded with Russia to influence an election. There was however, collusion from Democrats with Russians and foreign nationals to intentionally sway the election (Steele Dossier). So like with everything... whatever the Democrats accuse Republicans of, it's actually the Democrats that have done such a thing.

As for being Pro-American... I don't think you need me to tell you that if someone has an American flag on their house, there's a statistically greater chance that they are Republican. Democrats, over the past ~15 years, have become less and less prideful of America. They've held power significantly more than Republicans have. During the 40s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the NAZIs. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the Russians (e.g., Hanoi Jane, etc.). When we killed Iran's Revolutionary Guard leader, it was Democrats that apologized to Iran. I really would like to understand why this is... but I think Democrats are raised to believe that America is flawed, and that because it's flawed, it needs to be destroyed. Most Democrats, if given the chance, would completely eliminate the United States and the Constitution, and would much rather be part of the EU.

Again, I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know... but Democrats as a group, largely detest the United States and what it stands for.


In addition, I apologize for having to bring this up, but the Democrat party has a pretty detestable and horrible history. You, as a Democrat, and your opinions, have absolutely no basis for criticizing others. Let's take a look at the history that the left owns? ...
- Native American Trail of Tears
- Nuclear Weapons, using not one, but the only two nuclear weapons ever used in war time... killing over 380k people in a 24-hour period.
- Formation of the KKK, started by Democrat politicians.
- Jim Crowe laws, they were all Democrats
- Sympathy towards Communism (for the past 70 years)
- Sympathy for the NAZIs during the war from Democrat-states
- Education Segregation
- Eugenics and forced sterilization of blacks (Margaret Sanger)
- Internment Camps (forced jailing of Japanese U.S. citizens)
- DOMA, Proposition 8, etc.
- Targeted Abortions, placing Planned Parenthoods in predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhoods
- The Confederacy, secession, and declaring war on the United States.
- Agent Orange
- Until just a few years ago... the Democrats had a sitting former Grand Master of the KKK (Manchin replaced him)
- Even Jim Jones, who created a radical cult and killed all his followers in a mass suicide, was a Democrat

I mean, literally every bad thing you can imagine in our history, was as a direct result of Democrats and Democrat leadership. In rare situations, you had a Democrat like JFK, who bucked his party and helped Republicans pass the voting rights act, despite the fact that it was near unanimous among Democrats to vote against it... and JFK died for this. The history of the Democrat party is SO horrible that they've come up with a totally absurd concept of trying to blame it all on Republicans. Trying to state that when Democrats did bad things, they were really Republicans. So... does that mean FDR was a Republican, JFK, what was Reagan? I mean... it's ridiculous. Democrats have this oddly concocted story where everyone in the South were actually Republicans, and then magically they all became Democrats again when FDR was elected, and then shortly after they became Republicans again, and then Eisenhower was really a Democrat, and then magically they all switched back again when Kenned was elected... but oddly enough, they were still Democrats, even though they were actually Republicans... I mean, it's the most ridiculous nonsense you've ever heard. It's painful to watch a Democrat historian trying to explain-away all this bad history. Senator Prescott Bush voted for the Civil Rights act in 1964, and he certainly wasn't a Democrat, and Democrat Senator Albert Gore Senior voted AGAINST it.

Your holier than thou attitude is completely ridiculous. The Democrat party has an absolutely... absolutely horrible past... and they are still guilty of some of the most horrible things even today. The Democrat party is like the family member who's always on drugs, always getting in trouble, always finding themselves, and always causing problems... and we treat them like the prodigal son every time.



sorry dude you lie

by forgetting the demo's were CONS KKK cons racist con's
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HARD CORE CONS SWAPPED PARTYS FROM DEMO TO Gop
I WAS THERE AND SAW IT

NO MAGIC NO SMOKE OR MIRRORS

BTW the libs swap also out of the Gop

you fail at gasliting
learn history

btw you will not like history
THE CON'S ALWAYS LOSE

EVERY TIME
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While I agree with you, I have to affirm that unless there is something tangible that specifically states that this is the true, then it's merely hearsay and hypothetical.

The possible crime here right now, is the FBI's insistence on withholding the information without proper justification.


Suppose you sue me in court with a claim that I struck and damaged your car. If the court rules in your favor that means that in the court's eyes your claim is true, that I had struck and damaged your car. That is not hearsay or a hypothetical. The case has been proven in court.

This case is settled on the merits. It is just a question of remedy right now. That means there is no hearsay or hypothetical anymore. It is proven.
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Suppose you sue me in court with a claim that I struck and damaged your car. If the court rules in your favor that means that in the court's eyes your claim is true, that I had struck and damaged your car. That is not hearsay or a hypothetical. The case has been proven in court.

This case is settled on the merits. It is just a question of remedy right now. That means there is no hearsay or hypothetical anymore. It is proven.


Well, that's what I was asking. Was there a ruling / judgement in there? What did it say? Is that what you posted? What I read didn't look like a decision, just an update to the lawsuit.
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sorry dude you lie

by forgetting the demo's were CONS KKK cons racist con's
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HARD CORE CONS SWAPPED PARTYS FROM DEMO TO Gop
I WAS THERE AND SAW IT

NO MAGIC NO SMOKE OR MIRRORS

BTW the libs swap also out of the Gop

you fail at gasliting
learn history

btw you will not like history
THE CON'S ALWAYS LOSE

EVERY TIME


I know you hate it when I just quote you. So let me say get help.
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I know you hate it when I just quote you (ray b). So let me say get help.


What is the point? It's just a waste of time and Cliff Pennock's bandwidth. If you were commenting on a selected passage, that would be completely different. But to just copy and paste the whole thing, and with no opinion of your own added... it makes no sense... at all.
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THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HARD CORE CONS SWAPPED PARTYS FROM DEMO TO Gop
I WAS THERE AND SAW IT




No you didn't.

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This case is settled on the merits. It is just a question of remedy right now. That means there is no hearsay or hypothetical anymore. It is proven.



No. The case has not been decided at all. They are still arguing about what evidence can be submitted.

And neither Huddleston or any agent of the court found this evidence. The FBI voluntarily supplied it when they discovered it.
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What is the point? It's just a waste of time and Cliff Pennock's bandwidth. If you were commenting on a selected passage, that would be completely different. But to just copy and paste the whole thing, and with no opinion of your own added... it makes no sense... at all.


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For one, there was never any proof that Trump colluded with Russia to influence an election. There was however, collusion from Democrats with Russians and foreign nationals to intentionally sway the election (Steele Dossier). So like with everything... whatever the Democrats accuse Republicans of, it's actually the Democrats that have done such a thing.

As for being Pro-American... I don't think you need me to tell you that if someone has an American flag on their house, there's a statistically greater chance that they are Republican. Democrats, over the past ~15 years, have become less and less prideful of America. They've held power significantly more than Republicans have. During the 40s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the NAZIs. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the Democrats who were sympathetic to the Russians (e.g., Hanoi Jane, etc.). When we killed Iran's Revolutionary Guard leader, it was Democrats that apologized to Iran. I really would like to understand why this is... but I think Democrats are raised to believe that America is flawed, and that because it's flawed, it needs to be destroyed. Most Democrats, if given the chance, would completely eliminate the United States and the Constitution, and would much rather be part of the EU.

Again, I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know... but Democrats as a group, largely detest the United States and what it stands for.


In addition, I apologize for having to bring this up, but the Democrat party has a pretty detestable and horrible history. You, as a Democrat, and your opinions, have absolutely no basis for criticizing others. Let's take a look at the history that the left owns? ...
- Native American Trail of Tears
- Nuclear Weapons, using not one, but the only two nuclear weapons ever used in war time... killing over 380k people in a 24-hour period.
- Formation of the KKK, started by Democrat politicians.
- Jim Crowe laws, they were all Democrats
- Sympathy towards Communism (for the past 70 years)
- Sympathy for the NAZIs during the war from Democrat-states
- Education Segregation
- Eugenics and forced sterilization of blacks (Margaret Sanger)
- Internment Camps (forced jailing of Japanese U.S. citizens)
- DOMA, Proposition 8, etc.
- Targeted Abortions, placing Planned Parenthoods in predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhoods
- The Confederacy, secession, and declaring war on the United States.
- Agent Orange
- Until just a few years ago... the Democrats had a sitting former Grand Master of the KKK (Manchin replaced him)
- Even Jim Jones, who created a radical cult and killed all his followers in a mass suicide, was a Democrat

I mean, literally every bad thing you can imagine in our history, was as a direct result of Democrats and Democrat leadership. In rare situations, you had a Democrat like JFK, who bucked his party and helped Republicans pass the voting rights act, despite the fact that it was near unanimous among Democrats to vote against it... and JFK died for this. The history of the Democrat party is SO horrible that they've come up with a totally absurd concept of trying to blame it all on Republicans. Trying to state that when Democrats did bad things, they were really Republicans. So... does that mean FDR was a Republican, JFK, what was Reagan? I mean... it's ridiculous. Democrats have this oddly concocted story where everyone in the South were actually Republicans, and then magically they all became Democrats again when FDR was elected, and then shortly after they became Republicans again, and then Eisenhower was really a Democrat, and then magically they all switched back again when Kenned was elected... but oddly enough, they were still Democrats, even though they were actually Republicans... I mean, it's the most ridiculous nonsense you've ever heard. It's painful to watch a Democrat historian trying to explain-away all this bad history. Senator Prescott Bush voted for the Civil Rights act in 1964, and he certainly wasn't a Democrat, and Democrat Senator Albert Gore Senior voted AGAINST it.

Your holier than thou attitude is completely ridiculous. The Democrat party has an absolutely... absolutely horrible past... and they are still guilty of some of the most horrible things even today. The Democrat party is like the family member who's always on drugs, always getting in trouble, always finding themselves, and always causing problems... and we treat them like the prodigal son every time.



Anyone who understand history agrees with Lyndon Johnsons comment after passing the Civil Rights Act. . . "We have lost the south for a generation." After passage of the Civil Rights Act and th Voters Rights Act blacks started voting in favor of Democrats at the rate of 80 to 90 percent. And when that happened all the white racists in the south started voting Republican. So you can't really compare todays Democratic Party to the one during the 1960's. The members are different and the numbers prove it.

Other problems with your claims. Republican President Herbert Hoover also supported Eugenics. And I believe there was another little bad thing that happened while he was President in 1929. As for Planned Parenthood I am glad they were opened where they were most needed. They should not be wasted in wealthy affluent neighborhoods where women have a lot more access to health care.

Agen Orange was used while Nixon was president but the real damage of deny benefits was under Reagan.

Trumans decision to use nuclear weapons was the right thing to do. Those bombs saved the lives of thousands of US military.

As far as "sympathetic to communism" I guess you missed all that about how the Russians interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump get elected.

The Republican party has a long history of opposing freedom. They opposed the "Equal Rights Amendment to protect women's freedoms. they opposed equal protection under the law for homosexuals. They opposed interracial marriage. They oppose giving a woman freedom to make decisions about her own body. Republican Senator McCarthy opposed the freedom to hold different political views. They boycott stores that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".
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Pew [Research]: "73% of Republicans say they display the flag at home, work, or on their car; this compares with 63% of independents and 55% of Democrats."

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Anyone who understand history agrees with Lyndon Johnsons comment after passing the Civil Rights Act. . . "We have lost the south for a generation." After passage of the Civil Rights Act and th Voters Rights Act blacks started voting in favor of Democrats at the rate of 80 to 90 percent. And when that happened all the white racists in the south started voting Republican. So you can't really compare todays Democratic Party to the one during the 1960's. The members are different and the numbers prove it.

Other problems with your claims. Republican President Herbert Hoover also supported Eugenics. And I believe there was another little bad thing that happened while he was President in 1929. As for Planned Parenthood I am glad they were opened where they were most needed. They should not be wasted in wealthy affluent neighborhoods where women have a lot more access to health care.

Agen Orange was used while Nixon was president but the real damage of deny benefits was under Reagan.

Trumans decision to use nuclear weapons was the right thing to do. Those bombs saved the lives of thousands of US military.

As far as "sympathetic to communism" I guess you missed all that about how the Russians interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump get elected.

The Republican party has a long history of opposing freedom. They opposed the "Equal Rights Amendment to protect women's freedoms. they opposed equal protection under the law for homosexuals. They opposed interracial marriage. They oppose giving a woman freedom to make decisions about her own body. Republican Senator McCarthy opposed the freedom to hold different political views. They boycott stores that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".



Again... you are having to come up for excuses for things that Democrats did. The idea that the parties "switched sides" has been debunked multiple times. The "south" didn't magically just switch sides. They've slowly transitioned to being Republican over the years as the Democrats stopped fighting for working class people, and started supporting elitism and a new group of victims.

The South OVERWHELMINGLY went for Carter, same with Clinton. The south has only recently become Republican... even states like Kentucky are still Democrat states.

In 1996, when I moved to South Florida, the state was a solid blue state. This is 34 years after the civil rights act was passed... Florida was solidly blue. As a matter of fact, Florida was more blue back in 1996 than California is blue today. All the senators and all but one congressman, and every state-wide elected official, were all Democrat. At the time, in 1996... the KKK had their Southern Headquarters there. These were Democrats.

In 1998, the state elected their first Republican in over 30+ years... and only the third Republican governor in the entire history of the state of Florida. The two other governors only served one term, and they only won because the previous Democrat governors had resigned amid scandals. This new Republican governor was Jeb Bush. He cleaned up crime, eliminated the KKK there, worked towards rebuilding the beaches, cleaning up the everglades from all the chemical dumping that all the former Democrat governors had allowed, and slowly helped turn the state red. Now... Florida is as red as they get... probably the reddest state in the Union, but only because so many Republicans MOVED to Florida. It's only been a solid Republican-majority state for the past couple of years.

What you say is basically nonsense... and you know this.

Furthermore, no matter how many times you say that Trump colluded with Russia... we know factually that this never happened. After half a decade of investigations, special councils, and numerous lawsuits... not a shred of evidence revealed any truth to the claim... but it did reveal the exact opposite, that the Clintons colluded with foreign nationals, and Russians, to try to hurt Trump. All of this is ALSO fact.

I know this is painful... because as much as you want to believe this stuff is not true, the reality is... your party is absolutely f**king horrible. I mean, literally responsible for the deaths of over a million people, including slaves, the Japanese, and countless native Americans. That you can sit there and say that 380k people needed to die so we could save a couple thousand Americans shows how absolutely delusional you are.

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BS you forget who the CON'S were

every action you blame the demo for
WAS DONE BY CON'S

YOU CLAIM NO RUSSIAN CONNECTION

AGAIN BS


1) Except the, ‘Russia, if you’re listening, thing.

2) and the Manafort thing,

3) and the Flynn thing,

4) and the Papadopoulos pleading guilty thing,

5) and the Roger Stone thing,

6) and the Cohen thing,

7) and the Kushner thing,

8) and the Carter Page thing,

9) and the Jeff Sessions things,

10) and the Wilbur Ross thing,

11) and the JD Gordon thing,

12) and the Erik Prince thing,

13) and the James Comey firing thing,

14) and the Russian hacking/Wikileaks thing,

15) and the bro-love between TrumpPutin thing,

16) and the Russian propaganda machine favoring Trump thing,

17) and the DJT "I have zero ties to Russia!" thing,

18) and the Eric Trump "we get most of our financing from Russian banks thing",

19) and the Donald Trump Jr. "Our portfolio is made up of a disproportionate amount of Russian money" thing,

20) and the DJT "I sold a $60 million mansion to a Russian oligarch known for money laundering for $120 million that he never once lived in" thing,

21) and the Trump business ties with Putin's favorite sports athlete Fedor Emilianenko thing,

22) and the Trump International Corporation's mysterious private server connection to Alfa Bank, Russia's largest commercial bank thing,

23) and the Special prosecutor being named thing,

24) and the I won't release my tax returns thing,

25) and the Ivanka Trump's vacationing with Putin's girlfriend thing,

26) and the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow thing,

27) and the Trump companies business ties to Felix Sater, a criminal felon indicted for stock fraud scheme with the Russian mafia thing,

28) and the FL Group Icelandic hedge fund with massive ties to Putin being heavily invested in Trump Soho thing,

29) and the Rex Tillerson/Exxon ties to Russia thing,

30) and the Russian ambassador at Trump Tower sneaking in and out thing,

31) and the Trump tried to roll back Russian sanctions the minute he got elected thing.

32) Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to suspect anything.

Wait there’s more,

33) And the money laundering thing.

34) And the sex hush moneythe minute he got elected thing.

32) Other than that, there's absolutely no reason to suspect anything.

Wait there’s more,

33) And the money laundering thing.

34) And the sex hush money payoffs thing.

35) And the signing of the proposal for Trump Hotel Moscow thing.

36) And the meetings in the White House with Russians thing

37) And the firing of Sally Yates thing.

38) And the hacked States voting thing.

39) and the meeting with the Russian lawyer about “adoption” thing.

40) And then the lying about it with a statement crafted by the White House thing.

41) And the Deripaska sanctioned yet entering the USA on a diplomats visa thing.

42) And the changing the GOP platform on Ukraine to be more favorable to Russia thing.

43) And, the ‘mother’ of all things: not implementing sanctions which passed the Senate 98-2 and House 419-3 in violation of the Take Care Clause (Article 2, Section 3) thing.

44) And the Russian banker giving money to NRA to support Trump thing

45) And the Russian intelligence is now peddling a fake Trump tape to sow new chaos in American political discourse thing.

46) And the David Bogatin buying Trump properties for over $6mil with no verifiable income and tied to Semion Mogilvich, who is so successful at money laundering he gets the name "The Brainy Don" thing.

47) And the Trump Taj Mahal being fined $10 mil for not adhering to money laundering laws thing.

48) And the Rudy Giuliani thing.

49) And the "sanctioned heads of all 3 Russian intelligence agencies allowed into US to secretly meet with CIA director Pompeo and DNI Coats, days before Trump blew off sanctions" thing.

50) And Misha Flynn's "US-Russia nuclear proliferation in the Middle East" thing.

51) And the, ‘I love Wikileaks’ thing.

And the, ‘Rusher’ Lester Holt interview thing.

52) And the, Jeff Sessions, I didn’t meet with any Russians, but he did, thing.

53) and the Russians at the National Prayer Service thing

54) and the Felix Sater thing

55) The Kilimnik thing.

56) And the Simon Kukes thing.

57) And the yucking it up with Russians in the Oval Office after firing ‘nut-job’ Comey, and thinking it was over, thing.

57) And the wild-eyed Devin Nunes bogus memo run, but the Conservative FBI is somehow the problem, thing.

58) And the Rob Goldstone talking to Mueller thing.

59) And the Gates, in negotiations with Mueller without his lawyers, thing.

60) And the Bannon won’t talk to Congress, but is going to talk to Mueller thing.

61) And the meetings with Putin without an American recorder present thing.

62) And the defending of Putin when O’Reilly calls him a killer thing.

63)And the “Won’t release White House visitor logs” thing.

And the "Don't keep visitor logs at Mar-A-Lago" thing.

64) And the Kushner asking for a direct line to the Kremlin at the Russian Embassy thing.

65) And the “Putin and I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, and many other negative things, will be guarded and safe” tweet thing.

66) And the Deutsche Bank records thing.

67) And the House majority leader, McCarthy says to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump and Ryan says “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we're a real family here." thing.

68) And the firing of Preet Bharara thing.

69) And the Russians getting a “no bid” contract to build our embassy there-so they can assure electronic surveillance

is embedded carefully-thing.

70) And the attempt to discredit a career spy, held in high regard in the intel community, to discredit the dossier thing.

71) And the revealing of sensitive material about Syria/ISIS to the Russians thing.

72) And the refusal to release the Democrats’ memo, cleared by intel agencies on security grounds, after releasing the ‘flagged’ Republican memo, thing.

73) And the Roman Abramovich, Russian steel owner (with whom Kushner met with several times according to his *revised* security clearance application) has docked his ship off the shore of Florida, when Trump was at Mar-a-Largo, thing.

74) And Americans keep learning about Putin-Trump conversations from the Kremlin (Putin said he and Trump “spoke about the Palestinian-Israeli settlement.” on the phone today. No readout yet from White House) thing.

75) And for the 8th time Kremlin (not the Administration) told us Trump spoke with Putin by phone thing.

AND we learned that Putin told Palestine that Trump told him he could negotiate on America's behalf, thing.

76) And the Trump takes two abandoned 747s off of Aeroflot's hands for the next Air Force One, relieving the Kremlin of its $750 million obligation to Boeing thing.

77) And the German Woman at the Center of the Manafort Case with Russian contacts who may have serve as the strawman for illegal lobbying in the United States thing.

78) And the Russians giving the NRA money thing.

79) And releasing the Nunes memo thing.

80) And the refusing to release the Democrats rebuttal memo thing.

81) And the trying to discredit the FBI thing.

82) And the forcing McCabe out thing.

83) And the ‘my lawyers won’t let me testify’ thing.

84) And the ‘my taxes are under audit so I can’t release them’ thing.

85) And the Alex van der Zwaan lying to prosecutors about a conversation with Rick Gates thing.

86) And the charges against Richard Pinedo in exchange for cooperating thing.

87) And now Mueller is investigating Manafort for promising Calk a WH job in exchange for a $16M personal loan thing.

88) And the per NBC, Trump has told friends he'd be in trouble if Paul Manafort "flipped" on him thing.

89) And the Kushner Security Clearance being held up by the Mueller Investigation thing.

90) And the Dem memo that confirmed that both the F.B.I. and D.O.J. made extensive showings to justify all four FISA requests thing.

91) And the son-in-law had to have his security clearance removed thing.

92) And the China, UAE, Israel, and Mexico plotting how to manipulate the son-in-law thing.

93) And the Hope Hicks refusing to answer the questions of the Intelligence Committee thing.

94) And the Roger Stone lying to Congress about WikiLeaks thing.

95) And the 20 Gates indictments dropped by Mueller for cooperating thing.

96) And the changing the Republican platform thing.

97) And the not authorizing NSA to do *anything* to prevent hacking of Midterm Elections thing.

98) And the Hope Hicks’ ‘White Lies’ and quits thing.

99) And the Kushner gets his Security Clearance downgraded because he dealt with Russia thing.

100) And the Nunberg decides to comply-after he adamantly wasn’t gonna comply-to the Mueller subpoena thing.

101) And the Kremlin wanted Tillerson instead of Romney thing,

102) And the Trump’s demand for a Kremlinesque Military Parade thing.

103) And the George Nader (UAE foreign agent) thing.

104) And the Trump asking witnesses what they discussed with Mueller thing.

105) And the firing of Tillerson thing.

106) And the vindictive firing of McCabe thing.

107) And the congratulating Putin for ‘winning’ a sham election after Putin poisoned and framed his opponent thing.

108) And the alleged mobster Felix Sater ‘told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison’ thing.

109) And the Trump Fundraiser, Elliott Brody’s offer to help lift sanctions on Russian Firms thing.

110) And the Corallo attorneys couldn’t represent Trump due to conflicts of interest thing.

111) And the Rick Gates contact with Alex van der Zwaan (an associate of Paul Manafort with ties to the Russian intelligence service, GRU) in 2016 thing.

112) And the Malloch being served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury thing.

113) And The Kremlin revealed that Trump proposed inviting Putin to DC during the March 20th phone call thing.

Reminder: there was zero mention of the Russian nerve agent attack on British soil nor any warnings to Russia to stop attacking our infrastructure thing.

114) And the Attorney Alex van der Zwaan sentenced to 30 days in prison for lying to investigators who were looking into Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort thing.

115) And the Cohen got raided by the FBI thing.

116) And the Dana Boente’s handwritten notes after talking to James Comey thing.

117) And the Trump's personal lawyer was working out of the Squire, Patton & Boggs law offices, who just HAPPEN to be lawyers for Cambridge Analytica, AND are main lobbyists for Russia's Gazprom oil company thing.

118) And the letting Bolton in the White House without security clearance.

119) And the Trump asking Comey to consider investigating the "pee tape" allegations in order to "reassure Melania" that they were untrue thing.

120) And the Cohen lied about going to Prague in the summer of 2016 thing.

121) And the back channel assurance to the Kremlin there would be no new sanctions thing.



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