Don't you just love how the useless commies are so willing to hand over their freedoms to be led around by the nose (the reason for the nose rings that most left-wing kooks have) by their "masters" (whichever one you care to insert, communists, fascists, socialists, satan, moloch, baal...pick any one), and that's fine...if they don't want their freedoms then give them up, the problem is they expect everyone to do so as well.
Don't you just love how the useless commies are so willing to hand over their freedoms to be led around by the nose (the reason for the nose rings that most left-wing kooks have) by their "masters" (whichever one you care to insert, communists, fascists, socialists, satan, moloch, baal...pick any one), and that's fine...if they don't want their freedoms then give them up, the problem is they expect everyone to do so as well.
Sorry commies... think again.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that want someone to tell them what to do all the time. 😥
I think it would be interesting if some of the forum members would name some well known "leftists" as a way to communicate an understanding of the way that they are using the word "leftist". It would be a list that includes one or more people that are 100 percent "left", and then just 90 percent "left", all the way down to "just enough" to be a leftist.
Or is it the case that "leftists" are people that are commonly seen and reported about as members of groups, or crowds, but are not well known as individuals? In which case, this proposal that i have just expressed would have to be modified.
If ya run around virtue signaling how great and equal and compassionate you are, spouting off about inclusion and equality and special-interests....all the while using it as an excuse to raise yourself up, make yourself comfortable, and line your own pockets....
The new American Left are those who wish to rewrite the Constitution and replace our republic with their naive vision of Utopia; which is some unworkable, ill-conceived blend of Communism, Socialism and Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood. They are the useful idiots. They are being co-opted by the Aristocracy who are plunging the world into Neo Feudalism.
That's a relief. I was worried that they might be Anti-Science, Clown Pedophile Groomers, which are words that almost always appear in connection with "Leftist" in the messages of one forum member in particular.
That's a relief. I was worried that they might be Anti-Science, Clown Pedophile Groomers, which are words that almost always appear in connection with "Leftist" in the messages of one forum member in particular.
OK, now that we have a definition, here is a question: Do you like the U.S. Constitution the way it is?
I think the Electoral College system of electing the President and Vice-President is a useless and harmful anachronism that would best be abolished and replaced by Popular Vote. The best way to achieve that would be through a Constitutional Amendment.
I think the U.S. Senate, which has two Senators from each of the 50 states, cries out for Constitutional Amendment. There were already some disparities in population among the original 13 states of the Union, but could the framers of the Constitution have foreseen the even larger disparities of our time between the most populous states and the least populous states? It seems more feasible to introduce some system of proportional representation in the Senate than it would be to redraw the various state boundaries.
Maybe.
Amending the Constitution is preferable to upending the Constitution.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: AOC, Talib, Biden, Obama, etc...
AOC is a clown
talib who ?
the current CiC and the former one also are center right mostly center but still not a bit liberal
unlike you and far too many here are extreme off the charts on the right [wrong side]
why the extreme right sees the center right as extreme left is a HUGE PROBLEM any one saying old joe is a commie is nuts and a big part of the problem tax dodgers are not a virtue greed is not good EPA is not evil but your nasty rightwingers try to run it that way
nixon is the root of evil and so was raygun the election thief the rump is just yet another scammer who fools the rightwing sheep
god guns and fear is a very poor way to run this country the dark side loves the rump and the whole Gop program of racist sexist gay fear and hate throw in the trans too our fla govinator is trying to out rump the rump it will not end well but why do you support the same goals as the dark side ?
OK, now that we have a definition, here is a question: Do you like the U.S. Constitution the way it is?
no the 26 smallest states should not control our nation with which together elect a majority of Senate seats (52), make up only 18 percent of the population. 18% rules 82% is unfair the people should rule not real estate divisions and elections need run offs and the most TOTAL VOTES WINS not gimmicks not the 1770's methods used by the rump to steal in 2016 an election he LOST by 3 million votes
no the 26 smallest states should not control our nation with which together elect a majority of Senate seats (52), make up only 18 percent of the population. 18% rules 82% is unfair the people should rule not real estate divisions and elections need run offs and the most TOTAL VOTES WINS not gimmicks not the 1770's methods used by the rump to steal in 2016 an election he LOST by 3 million votes
So you are basically saying "the needs of the many (coastal states), outweigh the needs of the few (the flyovers)."
I think the Electoral College system of electing the President and Vice-President is a useless and harmful anachronism that would best be abolished and replaced by Popular Vote. The best way to achieve that would be through a Constitutional Amendment.
I think the U.S. Senate, which has two Senators from each of the 50 states, cries out for Constitutional Amendment. There were already some disparities in population among the original 13 states of the Union, but could the framers of the Constitution have foreseen the even larger disparities of our time between the most populous states and the least populous states? It seems more feasible to introduce some system of proportional representation in the Senate than it would be to redraw the various state boundaries.
Maybe.
Amending the Constitution is preferable to upending the Constitution.
And that is why you are Leftist, and a Progressive, at that.
As a Right Wing Conservative, I understand the wisdom in the Constitution.
The problem that I see with the electoral college and the House of Representatives is that they are based on the number of residents rather that the number of citizens. I believe that only citizens deserve representation.
I believe that the bicameral legislature as defined in the constitution is a reasonable compromise which distributes power among the people without giving one group, be it State or special interest, too much power over other citizens.
I understand why you want to change the Constitution, your suggestions would give California even greater power over the rest of the country. I would rather see more equal representation.
I believe in the rights and responsibilities of the individual. I trust people more than I do mobs.
I think the Electoral College system of electing the President and Vice-President is a useless and harmful anachronism that would best be abolished and replaced by Popular Vote. The best way to achieve that would be through a Constitutional Amendment.
I think the U.S. Senate, which has two Senators from each of the 50 states, cries out for Constitutional Amendment. There were already some disparities in population among the original 13 states of the Union, but could the framers of the Constitution have foreseen the even larger disparities of our time between the most populous states and the least populous states? It seems more feasible to introduce some system of proportional representation in the Senate than it would be to redraw the various state boundaries.
Maybe.
Amending the Constitution is preferable to upending the Constitution.
Referencing your second paragraph, do you understand that the House of Representatives is elected by districts based on population, and the Senate is elected by political boundary. This gives the People a voice and the States also have a voice.
It's an elegant part of the Constitution, and was central to the States agreeing on the formation of a central government.
The States should go back to Legislature appointment of their respective Senators, but that would also raise the need for a Constitutional Convention.
The Electoral College should remain.
Our form of government is that of a Republic.
It is not a Democracy, nor is it a Democratic Republic.
No matter what the talking heads in your infoworld tell you.
You are being deceived, on many levels.
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Originally posted by ray b: no the 26 smallest states should not control our nation with which together elect a majority of Senate seats (52), make up only 18 percent of the population. 18% rules 82% is unfair
Laws are the antithesis of freedom. I believe that no bill should be passed into law with less than a 2/3rd majority. We should never have a law that is opposed by half of the people.
Laws are the antithesis of freedom. I believe that no bill should be passed into law with less than a 2/3rd majority. We should never have a law that is opposed by half of the people.
Couldn't agree less.
Abolishing the Electoral College system and replacing it with Popular vote—a sage idea—but putting aside my previous thoughts about changing the way that the Senate is set up, with two Senators from every state... instead of that... eliminate the supermajority bottleneck(s) in Congress, like the Senate filibuster or cloture rule, and go to resolving these legislative processes using a simple majority vote (of the Senate).
I believe I could find, witihin the ivy-covered exterior walls of academia, professors and the like who would say that making this change (to simple majority vote) would boost moderation on legislative issues, at the expense of extremism. Compromise, over conflict.
I think that would be a big improvement.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Couldn't agree less.
Abolishing the Electoral College system and replacing it with Popular vote—a sage idea—but putting aside my previous thoughts about changing the way that the Senate is set up, with two Senators from every state... instead of that... eliminate the supermajority bottleneck(s) in Congress, like the Senate filibuster or cloture rule, and go to resolving these legislative processes using a simple majority vote (of the Senate).
This highlights a fundamental difference between Conservatives and Liberals. I am a “small government” conservative. I believe that laws are a necessary evil. There should be “bottlnecks” and roadblocks in the legislative process. Liberals believe that laws are the best solution. Conservatives believe that they are a “last resort”.
I will agree that the filibuster should be eliminated, but only if a supermajority were required for any and all legislative decisions, including confirmation of appointees. Yes, it would slow things down, but I see that as a good thing.
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I believe I could find, witihin the ivy-covered exterior walls of academia, professors and the like who would say that making this change (to simple majority vote) would boost moderation on legislative issues, at the expense of extremism. Compromise, over conflict.
I think that would be a big improvement.
Metaphorically speaking, people who spend their lives behind walls should not be making decisions which restrict the daily lives of those of us who participate in the real world.
Abolishing the Electoral College system and replacing it with Popular vote—a sage idea—but putting aside my previous thoughts about changing the way that the Senate is set up, with two Senators from every state... instead of that... eliminate the supermajority bottleneck(s) in Congress, like the Senate filibuster or cloture rule, and go to resolving these legislative processes using a simple majority vote (of the Senate).
I believe I could find, witihin the ivy-covered exterior walls of academia, professors and the like who would say that making this change (to simple majority vote) would boost moderation on legislative issues, at the expense of extremism. Compromise, over conflict.
I think that would be a big improvement.
I couldn't agree less.
You are so gullible to the pipe dreams of the Communist Left.
Originally posted by ray b: no the 26 smallest states should not control our nation with which together elect a majority of Senate seats (52), make up only 18 percent of the population. 18% rules 82% is unfair
the people should rule not real estate divisions and elections need run offs and the most TOTAL VOTES WINS not gimmicks
not the 1770's methods used by the rump to steal in 2016 an election he LOST by 3 million votes
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Originally posted by bonaduce: So you are basically saying "the needs of the many (coastal states), outweigh the needs of the few (the flyovers)."
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Originally posted by ray b:
one person one vote all count and count exactly the same no matter where cast
current system allows a loser to win with 3 million less votes based on location
18% should not control the 82% by tricks and gimmicks
stop the steal count everyone's vote the same
Tell you what ray b, 82% should not enslave 18%. Your ilk does not give a damn about us. We don't need your coastal cities.
Tell you what ray b, 82% should not enslave 18%. Your ilk does not give a damn about us. We don't need your coastal cities.
You are absolutely correct.
The genius of the American system is that it is designed to prevent that kind of bullying, it keeps in check the “tyranny of the majority”. It gives the “little guy” a voice.
We have seen in this thread, that the new American Left, while claiming to be for the little guy, is actually an authoritarian movement. They want the elite, ruling class to be able to push through laws that oppress the minority.
Executive Order 9066 Feb 19, 1942 Under interrogation before hostilities began in May of '23, millions of marxists were interned to collectives to secure the nation from internal sabotage. Answer these questions three. ' Have you suggested the Founding Documents be discarded ? ' ' Have you discarded the Constitutional Republic ? That is not a trick question. ' ' Have you sympathized with Communist ideology ? '
Well, there is no evidence that these strategies will not be implemented in repeat events, a nation at war, anticipating nuclear attack. Putin and Xi both have repeated communist imperialist aggression on neighboring nations, stealing. Sure, that is how the war will evolve, Taiwan overrun, The Philippines the ccp pla's next stepping stone to hemisphere hegemony. ' We will rule the World for a thousand years ' ' We will dominate ! ' fjb for the fraud.
Effective learning implementation helps deluded residents closer to reality. ' The sky is blue, do you agree ? ' ' No, I think it looks green.. and grey. ' ZZzfft ! ' Ok, Ok, it's blue. ' See ? Millions of students taught to believe their senses. Ai guided Voight-Kampff tests sorting the American peoples into groups displaying divergent thought. Millions of communists rounded up to secure the Nation from sabotage under martial law. To world war three, defeating communist aggression on neighboring nations. ' We will rule the world for a thousand years ! ' ' We will dominate ! ' Biden _Joe fails the test, is detained to discover grift and fraud. The Constitutional Republic is restored, China and Russia retreat. ' All is well ' the watchtower guards sing as the clock strikes twelve. The shadows of nuclear war dissipate, the Sun slants through high billowing clouds, the birds chirp happily, a light mist falls to crops bursting with goodness. And so we all live happily ever after in peace and harmony. Things start looking up.
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Their motive for lying to you is power, their attaining power, forever. They noticed that the Constitution is in their way, and President Donald Trump. fjb for his suborning of the Constitution.
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Only a few weeks left before the red balloons pop. Counter Constitutional rhetoric, repetition of dempartie directives, attacking the Founding Documents. Thought not required, simple obedience to the party hierarchy, ' Yes master. ' Unable to free his own mind from the dictates of headquarters, demonstrating a chained, constrained, blindered mindset. C+P endlessly, seeking to prove truth by the consensus of infected zombies, ' Repeating the lie will make it true. ' ~ Goebbels, the Nazi. Plagiarized later by Alinsky for convenience, stealing, like.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/000662.html#p23 Well, the reason you wouldn't march on the Capitol is to avoid being detained and deported. Tested, and failed in the ability to comprehend the rules of law, the Founding Documents, or even the rules of punctuation. In any interaction with authority, I advise you remain silent. Tell them of your communist theories with a bullhorn from across the street.
The division bell will soon be ringing, a two front world war with nukes, quite hot, bw cw delivery systems. A third front at our backs will not be sustained, simply.
Worked with a Terribly Horrible Scotsman in the early '70s, who had parachuted into Holland armed with a bar, marched to Germany and by war's end had destroyed the Axis. That is what we can look forward to, a magnitude greater, casualties beyond billions. We'll have to destroy them again, and again, all over again.
Don't you tread on me, we'll have to do again what we did before. Ready yourselves for quarantine, you're going away. Executive order 9066 '42, the 21st century version.
The imbecile Biden_Joe has walked us into a nuke war with another evil axis. Anyone graduating from Westpoint, will have a clue to the plan, an inkling. Not like the last 247 years, this is an existential battle for survival. Gird thy loins, be ready. At the end of the movie Brad Pitt's character left the Nazi with an indelible mark. What mark will you bear at the end ? fjb for the nuke war he'll start.
