We may never really get under the hood to really see what was really involved, swept under, conspired in this whole human tragedy of humanity.
The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
The reason the leftist lie is to hide the fact they were doing GOF research directed by Fauci (illegal in the USA) and funded by leftists.
We have to wait for a generation of leftist elders to die in order to even start a thorough forensic on what exactly happened, the collusion to phrama, Democratic Party and China. They are protecting themselves from investigation in such a corrupt magnitude, it is Soviet style scary.
Side note * (by the way Biden is going to bail out Moderna because their one-trick vaccine pony that raped the taxpayers, and now nobody wants it and the company is collapsing, but the Dems can't afford it to go out of business and records combed over like the Twitter Files.)
It will take people yet born to find out the truth, if it ever gets to that. I'm talking about 50+ years, because of the depth of the coverup the leftist have done to hide the truth.
Originally posted by Wichita: The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
That is a flat-out LIE that is apparently circulating on the same social media networks where this "phoney-baloney" came from:
It's true. The water level in this measuring glass does not change as the ice cube melts. But it's completely irrelevant to the COP27 Global Warming Conference, where the predictions of rising sea levels are based on the melting of land ice, not sea ice. What's land ice? The ice that covers Antarctica and Greenland as glaciers, and other glaciers in mountainous areas around the world. What's sea ice? Icebergs that are already floating in the sea, and the ice that floats on the surface of the seas in the Arctic and offshore around the continent of Antarctica. There's a reason they call that "sea ice". Because it's not on land. "Duh".
How do I know that what Wichita just posted about there not being any research into the origin(s) of Covid-19 is a lie that is circulating on social media?
Because I looked.
You can too. Just select or "click" on these Internet page links:
The third of these 3 links reveals a list of these kind of research reports that stretches for 11 pages. The research reports that do not exist (according to Wichita). If they do not exist, how is it that I see an 11-page listing of the titles of these research reports that "do not exist". It's all a figment of my imagination? A fake Internet that I've somehow been tricked into thinking is the actual Internet? These research reports are all catalogued in this listing from the National Institutes of Health or NIH, National Library of Medicine, National Center for Biotechnology Information. That's what it says at the top of the page.
Another day, another social media networks "phoney-baloney" circulating here on Pennock's... you might think that the people that post this "stuff" would start to ask themselves "Am I really going to the best places online to bring myself up to speed on these topics?" As far as I can tell, that self-questioning and self-examination of their news sources just doesn't ever happen.
How do I know that what Wichita just posted about there not being any research into the origin(s) of Covid-19 is a lie that is circulating on social media?
Because I looked.
You can too. Just select or "click" on these Internet page links:
It's not just this one research report, or this one researcher.
On top of that, I am not saying that there is any research that provides conclusive evidence to pinpoint the origin(s) of Covid-19; I am saying that these links are conclusive evidence that the remarks that I singled out (from forum member "Wichita"), about their not being any research of this kind, are a flat-out lie. Here's the research, in front of anyone's eyes that cares to look—the Internet page links that I provided.
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Google Scholar search engine input, articles published during or more recently than year 2020.
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allintitle: origin pathogen OR crossover OR spillover OR China OR virus OR lab OR laboratory OR bat OR zoonotic OR wet-market OR market OR Wuhan OR virology OR DNA OR receptor OR cleavage "Covid-19
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I have just revealed some of the scientific studies that according to this remark—from another forum member, previously in this thread—DO NOT EXIST.
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The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... I repeat... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...
This is why I singled out the remarks from the other forum member—"The leftists... refuse to investigate... no scientific studies..."—as an outright lie. I'm not calling the other forum member a "liar". But I wonder how and why it is that misleading and deceptive remarks of this kind are appearing so frequently on this forum.
If anyone is wondering why the BOLDFACE, SIZE=3, COLOR=CYAN text styling, just scroll back two messages before this one. It's a unifying theme.
It's no accident that "Snerk" rhymes with "Jerk".
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The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
Where does this come from? It strikes me as nonsense—or disinformation—given the various scientific research reports that I've documented on the possible zoonotic origin(s) of Covid-19.
I haven't looked specifically for scientific research reports that focus on "lab leak" theories. Has anyone else? There are limits to that, because of China's resistance to international scrutiny of the Chinese virology research labs. It's only been a few days since President Biden signed a bill that directs the federal government to declassify as much intelligence as possible about the origins of COVID-19.
The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
Where does this come from? It strikes me as nonsense—or disinformation—given the various scientific research reports that I've documented on the possible zoonotic origin(s) of Covid-19.
New evidence New genetic evidence from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, where COVID-19 cases first emerged in late 2019, supports the theory that the virus originated from animals. . . .
Florence Débarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, discovered genetic sequences of the virus uploaded by Chinese researchers to a public genomic database called GISAID. . . .
The samples contained viral RNA from the market in early 2020 and also contained genetic material from raccoon dogs and other animals.Click to show
Raccoon dogs The presence of genetic material from raccoon dogs, a foxlike type of canid, in the same areas of the market where SARS-CoV-2 was found suggests that these animals may have been infected with the virus (possibly by other animals) and could have been the first to spread the virus to humans.
While this new evidence does not directly prove that SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans from infected raccoon dogs, it adds to a growing body of evidence supporting a spillover from animals.Click to show
UC scientist leans towards a purely zoonotic origin, over the idea that any of China's virology research labs played a role In an interview with Scientific American, Joel Wertheim, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, San Diego, explained that the new discovery is consistent with a natural zoonotic spillover, an animal disease jumping into humans.
Wertheim acknowledged that the genetic material’s co-occurrence does not directly indicate infection in raccoon dogs or other mammals, but it does provide forensic evidence that these potential host animals were present at the market.
The new evidence also raises questions about lab-leak hypotheses, which Wertheim believes are mutually incompatible with each other.
No suspicious signs of lab manipulation were found in the viral genome.
Wertheim argued that the most charitable explanation for the lab-leak theory is unlikely, given the lack of evidence and the difficulty in tracing the virus back to any lab workers. . . .Click to show
What's next, for the researchers? The international team of scientists continues to investigate the new genetic evidence, hoping to glean more information from the market samples.
They are particularly interested in sequences from stalls without SARS-CoV-2 and any additional genetic data from the market that has not yet been made available.Click to show
That's most of the report. Here's the complete report: https://culture.org/new-genetic-evidence-suggests-animal-origin-for-covid-19/Click to show
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The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
This unsupported assertion doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving an encounter with reality. The conveniently vague finger-pointing of it, against "the leftists", only scratches the surface of just how farcical this knee-jerk "riff" really is.
Here's a very recent article—it's among the best I've seen on this topic—that pulverizes this silly screed like the dinosaur-killer asteroid that pulverized a large swathe of the earth's crust some 66 million years ago. Put on your sunglasses, because the sparks from this screed-destroying impact are so bright as to pose a hazard to your eyes. Buckle yourself in before you "click the link." It's going to be wild.
"The Latest Lab Leak Controversy Doesn’t Mean What Conservatives Think It Does"
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Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin.
Part of the issue around the Gain Of Function debate is that the phrase is hard to define. Anytime a scientist works with a virus and something changes, that’s technically a "gain of function." But often researchers aren’t adding a new function on purpose—those changes happen as they’re studying other processes. And it certainly doesn’t mean the change presents a danger to people. Gain Of Function writ large is critical for understanding the threats posed by pathogens—disease transmission, future pandemic threats, medical preparedness, and more. “Outlawing so-called Gain Of Function research could be a disaster and make everyone on the planet less safe,” Garry said.
"The Latest Lab Leak Controversy Doesn’t Mean What Conservatives Think It Does"
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Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin.
quote Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin.
Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Of course. Naturally, it leaked from a lab.
Too funny.
It could have happened like this: 1. Virus evolved naturally in an animal species (bats? raccoon dogs?) and acquired the ability to infect humans. Zoonotic origin of the Covid-19 pathogen. 2. Chinese researchers collected blood or other fluid or tissue samples from an infected animal(s) to study the viruses in the Wuhan virus research lab. 3. The Covid-19 virus escaped from the lab and began to circulate in Wuhan. Faulty equipment? Inattention to protocols? Person(s) at lab became infected and were not aware of it?
This scenario starts with the natural or zoonotic emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus or Covid-19 pathogen, and gets a "boost" from a laboratory mishap... a "lab leak".
But it does not involve any Gain Of Function research or any of the other premeditated "shenanigans" of the kind that Dr Fauci or the Chinese have been accused of in the various narratives.
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It could have happened like this: 1. Virus evolved naturally in an animal species (bats? raccoon dogs?) and acquired the ability to infect humans. Zoonotic origin of the Covid-19 pathogen. 2. Chinese researchers collected blood or other fluid or tissue samples from an infected animal(s) to study the viruses in the Wuhan virus research lab. 3. The Covid-19 virus escaped from the lab and began to circulate in Wuhan. Faulty equipment? Inattention to protocols? Person(s) at lab became infected and were not aware of it?
This scenario starts with the natural or zoonotic emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus or Covid-19 pathogen, and gets a "boost" from a laboratory mishap... a "lab leak".
But it does not involve any Gain Of Function research or any of the other premeditated "shenanigans" of the kind that Dr Fauci or the Chinese have been accused of in the various narratives.
Well the Kook on the car forum said so, guess it must be true.
The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
What's your take on these remarks? I've called this a lie because I documented some of the scientific studies on the origin(s) of the Covid pandemic that according to these remarks, do not exist. Am I misunderstanding what was said here?
I'm not usually one for strongly derogatory language, so if I call it a "lie", you can be assured that I am excited (in a negative way) about these remarks.
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The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
The best available scientific evidence kicks the "lab leak" origin theory in the proverbial "Aspercreme"
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There is ample precedent for the seeding of pandemics and more geographically limited outbreaks from nonhuman species. Common-cold CoVs, SARS-CoV, Ebola virus, HIV, influenza A virus, mpox virus, and others all have zoonotic origins. SARS-CoV-2 is the ninth documented coronavirus to enter the human population. The best existing scientific evidence supports a direct zoonotic origin. As new evidence continues to emerge from scientific studies or other investigations, our understanding of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 will continue to evolve. Nevertheless, it is possible that its origin may never be known with certainty.
This newly published editorial appeared on March 28, 2023, in the American Society for Microbiology's Journal of Virology. The lead author is James C. Alwine, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of Cancer Biology at the University of Pennsylvania.
[Second] link is the same damn author and the same damn paper... so much for the [second] bit of wild hyperbolic BS... **DOUBLE SNERK**
ANYONE WANT TO BET WHAT THE FIRST PAPER AND AUTHOR IS ON THE 3rd BS LINK???
LEFTOIDS: ITCDYWB,TTTBYWB
In case anyone is actually reading any of this stuff, I want to expose the total idiocy of this "parrot drop" from... well, you can see who it's from.
We had this remarkable assertion from forum member Wichita:
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The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
I knew that could not be factual. I knew that there have been scientific reports on the Covid origin(s) that have been published in specialists' journals. So I posted these links to Internet pages that anyone could look at, to see with their own eyes that what Wichita said was not true.
Going to the last of these 3 Internet page links, there is a catalog of all of the specialists' journal articles that were called up by my search parameters. There are more than 100 such articles, and the catalog itself is 11 pages. This is the first page:
COVID-origins study links raccoon dogs to Wuhan market: what scientists think. Mallapaty S. Nature. 2023 Mar;615(7954):771-772. doi: 10.1038/d41586-023-00827-2. PMID: 36944776 No abstract available.
Where did COVID come from? WHO investigation begins but faces challenges. Mallapaty S. Nature. 2020 Nov;587(7834):341-342. doi: 10.1038/d41586-020-03165-9. PMID: 33177687 No abstract available.
WHO report into COVID pandemic origins zeroes in on animal markets, not labs. Maxmen A. Nature. 2021 Apr;592(7853):173-174. doi: 10.1038/d41586-021-00865-8. PMID: 33785930 No abstract available.
Did the coronavirus jump from animals to people twice? Mallapaty S. Nature. 2021 Sep;597(7877):458-459. doi: 10.1038/d41586-021-02519-1. PMID: 34531566 No abstract available.
Scientists struggle to probe COVID's origins amid sparse data from China. Maxmen A. Nature. 2022 Mar;603(7903):773-775. doi: 10.1038/d41586-022-00732-0. PMID: 35304880 No abstract available.
Meet the scientists investigating the origins of the COVID pandemic. Mallapaty S. Nature. 2020 Dec;588(7837):208. doi: 10.1038/d41586-020-03402-1. PMID: 33262500 No abstract available.
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic. Worobey M, Levy JI, Malpica Serrano L, Crits-Christoph A, Pekar JE, Goldstein SA, Rasmussen AL, Kraemer MUG, Newman C, Koopmans MPG, Suchard MA, Wertheim JO, Lemey P, Robertson DL, Garry RF, Holmes EC, Rambaut A, Andersen KG. Science. 2022 Aug 26;377(6609):951-959. doi: 10.1126/science.abp8715. Epub 2022 Jul 26. PMID: 35881010 Free PMC article.
The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don't know. Maxmen A, Mallapaty S. Nature. 2021 Jun;594(7863):313-315. doi: 10.1038/d41586-021-01529-3. PMID: 34108722 No abstract available.
Major stones unturned': COVID origin search must continue after WHO report, say scientists. Mallapaty S, Maxmen A, Callaway E. Nature. 2021 Feb;590(7846):371-372. doi: 10.1038/d41586-021-00375-7. PMID: 33574591 No abstract available.
Might the many positive COVID19 subjects in Italy have been caused by resident bat-derived zoonotic β-coronaviruses instead of the Wuhan (China) outbreak? Chirumbolo S. J Med Virol. 2020 Oct;92(10):1709-1712. doi: 10.1002/jmv.25777. Epub 2020 Mar 27. PMID: 32220068 Free PMC article. No abstract available. Show me the first page
So if you just had a look, what you have seen is 10 articles in the specialist journals about the origin(s) of Covid-19. The first one listed is the recently published "Raccoon Dogs" report, and then there are 9 more articles of this kind. Of the 10 articles, 8 were published in the journal Nature, 1 was published in Science and 1 was published in the Journal of Medical Virology.
That's just the first page of this 11-page catalog. The second page is similar. I see 10 more journal articles, and 6 of them, judging by the titles, are research into the origin(s) of Covid-19. Page 3... 4 more articles for sure, and possibly 1 or 2 more, depending on what you make of the titles and whether they look like articles that are about the origin(s) of Covid-19, or just articles that are about some other aspect of Covid-19 or about other coronaviruses. I see at least 2 more "origins" articles on page 4 of this catalog. So that's at least 22 of these "Covid-19 origins" articles in specialist journals, and I haven't even gone all the way through the entire catalog that I produced with my search parameters.
That's enough evidence for me to say that the assertion from Wichita does not hold up. Wichita's assertion is that there are no such articles, and yet, I just found 22 such articles with an online search.
So, an assertion from Wichita is shown to be a false assertion, and an assertion from that other forum member, examined and revealed to be exactly the childish babble that it looks like from the "get-go".
Can anyone say otherwise?
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Woman with Long Covid finally wakes up and (literally) smells the coffee
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A woman who lost her sense of smell and taste due to [what is attributed to] "long" COVID [was able] to [savor] coffee again for the first time in [the last] 2 years .The woman underwent an experimental treatment involving pain-killer injections.
Will any of the forum members who have engaged in nonsensical remarks in this thread "wake up and smell the coffee"..? Nonsensical remarks like the remarks I singled out in the message on this thread that immediately precedes this one.
The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie).
Just another reminder that I demolished this misleading assertion, which was part of the first Reply in this thread.
But here's something about Covid that you probably do not already know: Covid is "lit"..! Who knew? Show me what I don't know about Covid
It's a convenient way to search for actual research reports about Covid in the specialist's journals, like Nature, or the Journal of Virology.
To demolish the misleading assertion that I quoted at the beginning of this post, I could use the "Magnifying Glass" search field at the top of this page, entering words and phrases that are relevant to scientific study of the origins of Covid, such as: "zoonotic", "lab leak", "bat species", "wet market", or "Gain of Function"—and so also, could you.
This demolishes the misleading assertion that I quoted at the beginning of this post, by revealing the published scientific research into the origin(s) of Covid that the misleading assertion that I quoted at the beginning of this post misleadingly asserts does not exist, because of the "leftists".
If this published research does not exist, how could it be revealed in this manner?
The coersive Covid policies that forced an experiment on healthy people and children by threatening their employment, freezing bank accounts, denying services and etc that were enacted gleefully by leftists is one of the shames of our modern era.
These leftists violated the Nuremberg Code. Remember that we tried doctors in a separate trial of their own in Nuremberg, for which 7 were hanged and 9 were sent to prison for crimes against humanity for doing exactly what Fauci and leftist employees of the WHO, NIH, CDC and leftist government politicians did. They forced people to take a medical experiment without proper protocols and illegally gave immunity to pharmaceutical companies who raped the taxpayers of many billions of dollars while gaslighting people, hiding the harms and out right lying on the data.
We will look back at this as the Tuskegee Experiment of our times and we should never forgive the leftists for their crimes against humanity.
but still 5 times more unvaxed DIED then the people who got two shots and the 3 or 4 shot has far less death then the 2 shot group
my history is I have had cv-19 twice one before and one after 2 vax shots the difference was a very bad case 3 weeks in bed lost 25lbs off 150 start vs after 2 shots I have had worse colds
anti-vax is nuts
my new puppy gets all her shots cv-19 is in the mix now even for dogs
remember 5 times the risk for the unjabbed OF DEATH is REAL
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Originally posted by Wichita: The coersive [sic] Covid policies that forced an experiment on healthy people and children by threatening their employment, freezing bank accounts, denying services and etc that were enacted gleefully by leftists is one of the shames of our modern era.
These leftists violated the Nuremberg Code. Remember that we tried doctors in a separate trial of their own in Nuremberg, for which 7 were hanged and 9 were sent to prison for crimes against humanity for doing exactly what Fauci and leftist employees of the WHO, NIH, CDC and leftist government politicians did. They forced people to take a medical experiment without proper protocols and illegally gave immunity to pharmaceutical companies who raped the taxpayers of many billions of dollars while gaslighting people, hiding the harms and out right lying on the data.
We will look back at this as the Tuskegee Experiment of our times and we should never forgive the leftists for their crimes against humanity.
These remarks come from a fanaticism and a susceptibility to disinformation and manipulative propaganda that surged to the top in Germany during the 1930s and caused the catastrophic history that became the reason for having the Nuremberg trials in the first place.
This sloganized language... the constant harping on "leftists" as a substitute for objective reasoning... it would light up any WW2-era Nazi's eyes with enthusiasm.
Some people should have their own lifetime vaccination records scrutinized and publicized, as a way of highlighting the previous medical advances and public health policies that they themselves have benefited from.
When a society degrades to the level where voters and decision-makers have become so ignorant that they no longer know the difference between icebergs and glaciers—queue up Mike Judge's Idiocracy—any human-caused catastrophe becomes that much more possible.
