Are you one of the Pennock's forum members who scoffed at Biden's promise to penalize Russia severely if Russia attacked Ukraine?
Clearly, nothing has prevented Russia from inflicting enormous human suffering and economic damages on Ukraine and its people since Putin launched his war almost a year ago.
But you might want to see what Jeffrey "Jeff" Sonnenfeld had to say last night (February 16) about the negative economic fallout for Russia that has been a consequence of Putin's "Doomsday War".
And why would you want to do that?
Maybe because Professor Sonnenfeld, who is the Senior Associate Dean for Leadership Studies & Lester Crown Professor in the Practice of Management at the Yale School of Management, has kept a close eye on the business climate for Russia as it has evolved since Day One of Putin's "Special Military Operation".
This queues up a YouTube video at the 33:10 mark, which is the setup for a conversation between Dr. (of Business Administration) Sonnenfeld and MSNBC anchor Lawrence O'Donnell about the war's consequences for Russia. Close to a million of Russia's population have emigrated from Russia since the war began, and over a thousand companies have abandoned or curtailed their Russia business operations. For Russia, it's historic. https://youtu.be/af78tJj2jbE?t=1990
PoliticoPro has a new report. I can't see it all, because I'm not a subscriber, but here's how it starts:
"Putin is staring at defeat in his gas war with Europe"
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Mild weather this winter is set to help Europe shrug off Russia’s energy threats next year, too.
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There's more bad news for Vladimir Putin. Europe is on course to get through winter with its vital gas storage facilities more than half full, according to a new European Commission assessment seen by POLITICO.
That means despite the Russian leader's efforts to make Europe freeze by cutting its gas supply, EU economies will survive the coldest months without serious harm — and they look set to start next winter in a strong position to do the same.
A few months ago, there were fears of energy shortages this winter caused by disruptions to Russian pipeline supplies.
But a combination of mild weather, increased imports of liquefied natural gas, and a big drop in gas consumption mean that more than 50 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas is projected to remain in storage by the end of March, according to the Commission analysis. . . .
It would probably be an exaggeration, were I to say that Putin and his cronies see "Dark Brandon" in their troubled nighttime dreams, but I like what I'm posting here.
I just wish it were more.
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You will, literally, believe anything the left says?!?!?
Ok, you keep telling yourself this, I suppose you also believe "Biden is in perfect health", even though the idiot literally can't find his way off a stage, can barely speak in complete sentences, and shakes hands with the air...
"Biden visits Zelensky in Kyiv and says Putin 'dead wrong' on Ukraine war" James Waterhouse, Alice Cuddy and Kathryn Armstrong for BBC News; February 20, 2023. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64702548
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The New York Times reported that [President Biden] took a 10-hour train journey from Poland to reach Kyiv.
[Biden] left Ukraine on Monday to travel to Poland.
After the visit, the Pentagon announced a new package of security assistance for Ukraine valued at $460m (£382m), including ammunition for the Himars rocket system, as well as Javelin missiles.
A new wave of sanctions against individuals and companies "that are trying to evade or backfill Russia's war machine" will also be announced later this week.
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White House officials said planning for the trip had been happening for "months", and that a final decision to travel was made on Friday.
Perhaps plan a trip to the US boarder. Perhaps fix our own infrastructure. Perhaps put some money back in our pockets and bring better paying jobs back to the states.
Want to fix the war in Ukraine put some boots on the ground and drones in the air. Keep ****ing around and find out. This ****ing back room war will drag on forever, draining resources that should be spent elsewhere instead its lining pockets of corrupt politicians and the stooges.
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What's a good ending for the war? Here's my thinking.
The U.S., NATO and Ukraine formally agree to accept Russia's right to have Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula as a military and particularly, a naval base. The entire Crimean Peninsula belongs to Russia. Russia has sovereignty over the (badly damaged, if not mostly destroyed) city of Mariupol and a continuous land corridor connecting Russia to the Crimean Peninsula through Mariupol. Russia has sovereignty over all of the coastline surrounding the Sea of Azov, including what has been a long stretch of Ukrainian coastline. All of this comprises the land corridor connecting Russia with the Crimean Peninsula.
That's quite a lot for Zelenskyy to have to "swallow". But in return, Ukraine, having ceded all of this territory, is guaranteed full membership in NATO and the European Union.
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That's something I posted in Totally O/T several weeks ago.
I'm just putting it up again to see if it provokes any discussion.
Maybe Ukraine could agree that all of the real estate for the Russian naval facilities at/near Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula will be leased by Ukraine to Russia for the very nominal fee of $1 USD per year for the next 100 99 years.
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What's a good ending for the war? Here's my thinking.
Putin needs to hurry up and kick the bucket and the Biden regime needs to be replaced.
With sane, honest people in charge of both Russia and the USA, Zelenskyy would be exposed for the conman that he is. Then and only then, peace could be negotiated.
I am convinced that Zelenskyy has Biden over a barrel and I am sick of what they are doing to the people of all three countries.
In short, the whole damned world is being held hostage by a madman, a conman and a used car salesman.
That's quite a lot for Zelenskyy to have to "swallow". But in return, Ukraine, having ceded all of this territory, is guaranteed full membership in NATO and the European Union.
I suspect Ukraine will be accepted into NATO and the EU regardless.
In my (hoped for) solution, Russia declares that it does not oppose a post-war Ukraine's prompt and full membership in the EU and NATO.
I don't believe that Russia would ever "not oppose" Ukraine's membership in NATO... and after what the Russians have done to the Ukrainians, I don't believe Ukraine would agree to give up any territory to them. But I'm no "statesman", and I have no real idea what backroom deals may be required to end this senseless bloodshed and destruction.
The only viable solution I can foresee is that Putin is somehow deposed... and then Russia can blame everything on him... and then everyone kisses and makes up.
It would be nice if Putin would take out Biden and Harris so McCarthy could take over and the U.S. have a chance at anything again. [And, YES, I did just say that out loud!]
Vlady has been working for 20 years to destroy the West and re-assemble the USSR....but it took too long and now Vlady possibly has something physically wrong with him (We all can see he is a psychopath)...He is "On the Way" so he is trying to rush the destruction of the West and his plans are not working well.
He will probably launch nuclear weapons at some point to "Prove he is a man"....Hopefully someone will slit his throat before.....
Noo_klee_arr at_tak. Google Translate: ' ядерная атака на филадельфию ' ' yadernaya ataka na filadel'fiyu ' : Biden_Joe ? ' fjb in his right ear. ' ' Yeah, fjb on sight ! ' What ? You will wait until after the nuking of a large American city, then, belatedly hustle the pretendadent from the White House, into an idling van. ' You know he's a corrupt imbecile, right ? ' ffs, somebody, do something. ' You think I'm joking, I like licking ice cream. Not a joke.' ' He's so pathetic ' ' Yeah, diddler, groper. ' fjb in the other ear. Ashley's shampooed hair.
Originally posted by rinselberg: That means despite the Russian leader's efforts to make Europe freeze by cutting its gas supply, EU economies will survive the coldest months without serious harm — and they look set to start next winter in a strong position to do the same.
A few months ago, there were fears of energy shortages this winter caused by disruptions to Russian pipeline supplies.
But a combination of mild weather, increased imports of liquefied natural gas, and a big drop in gas consumption mean that more than 50 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas is projected to remain in storage by the end of March ...
It would probably be an exaggeration, were I to say that Putin and his cronies see "Dark Brandon" in their troubled nighttime dreams, but I like what I'm posting here.
You forgot to mention the savings in natural gas supplies due to gas stoves, gas water heaters, and gas home heating being outlawed.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Perhaps ... bring better paying jobs back to the states.
Have you noticed ? Every time he says he is going to, or his agenda is going to bring high paying jobs to Americans, he prefaces with "Union" jobs.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
What's a good ending for the war? Here's my thinking.
The U.S., NATO and Ukraine formally agree to accept Russia's right to have Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula as a military and particularly, a naval base. The entire Crimean Peninsula belongs to Russia. Russia has sovereignty over the (badly damaged, if not mostly destroyed) city of Mariupol and a continuous land corridor connecting Russia to the Crimean Peninsula through Mariupol. Russia has sovereignty over all of the coastline surrounding the Sea of Azov, including what has been a long stretch of Ukrainian coastline. All of this comprises the land corridor connecting Russia with the Crimean Peninsula.
That's quite a lot for Zelenskyy to have to "swallow". But in return, Ukraine, having ceded all of this territory, is guaranteed full membership in NATO and the European Union.
Maybe Ukraine could agree that all of the real estate for the Russian naval facilities at/near Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula will be leased by Ukraine to Russia for the very nominal fee of $1 USD per year for the next 100 99 years.
The entire Crimean Peninsula belongs to Russia , ? Why ? Because they took it with aggression ?
Now you want to give them more because of their aggression ? Neither US nor NATO has any kind of authority to cede land in Ukraine to Russia. Throughout time, Russia has aggressively taken territory with force from weaker nations.
If you would pay attention to history, you would realize Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons in exchange for perpetual peace with Russia. Russia can not oppose who is accepted into NATO ! People are free do join whom ever they want to. It is enschrined in the US Constitution because it is a God given right.
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On second thought, if Putin or anyone else for that matter, really wanted to destroy America they would do nothing and let Biden continue to do what he IS doing.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Why stop there? How about nuking Mar-a-Lago?
Sounds like your part of the problem. Why not take a trip to Ukraine yourself, Patrick?
On second thought, if Putin or anyone else for that matter, really wanted to destroy America they would do nothing and let Biden continue to do what he IS doing.
This IS the Politics & Religion section of the forum. D.A.
Despite not being a District Attorney (but thanks for the compliment), I'm fully aware that this "IS the Politics & Religion section" of a car forum. And we all know that only the most astute unbiased political pundits seek out PFF to share their views.
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Originally posted by BHall71:
Yes, it is a shame that this country has come to the point where an outside source is the only hope of taking care if our internal issues.
And here I thought that's what free democratic elections were all about? Silly me!
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Despite not being a District Attorney (but thanks for the compliment), I'm fully aware that this "IS the Politics & Religion section" of a car forum. And we all know that only the most astute unbiased political pundits seek out PFF to share their views.
That's two times now you have not considered this a valid location to try to win your argument on the internet. If you think this is the case then why the hell are you here?
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Originally posted by Patrick:
And here I thought that's what free democratic elections were all about? Silly me!
"Free democratic elections" was not what happened in 2020. Brandon stole it, when will you liberal leftists get that through your brainwashed minds?
Brian
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That's two times now you have not considered this a valid location to try to win your argument on the internet.
What exactly is the "argument"? That it would be perfectly acceptable (perhaps even beneficial) for an American President to be assassinated by a foreign power? If so, no contest... you win hands down!
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Originally posted by BHall71:
"Free democratic elections" was not what happened in 2020. Brandon stole it...
Good gawd... you actually still believe that nonsense, don't you.
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Originally posted by BHall71:
...when will you liberal leftists get that through your brainwashed minds?
Not sure if that comment was supposed to be directed towards me, but... check your ears for suds, Brian! That Trump detergent is apparently rather long lasting!
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Trump and his allies challenged the election results in court in various states. Judges ruled against almost every last one of Team Trump's 60 or so attempts to challenge the election results. In the one case (if memory serves me) where Team Trump got a favorable ruling from a judge, the number of popular votes at stake wasn't enough to change anything in the Electoral College vote count that determines the winning Presidential candidate.
If Trump were any kind of legitimate political leader, he would have told his supporters at this point—after losing all of his challenges in the courts—that they had to accept that Biden-Harris had won and were the legitimately elected President and Vice President. Trump would have told his supporters that they needed to work at the level of state governments and legislatures to change the way that the 2024 national elections (still ahead of us) would be conducted. Changes to the absentee or mail-in voting rules and procedures that Trump was constantly bitching about. Changes of any kind, to comport with Trump's ideas about how the 2024 national elections should be carried out, to redress all of his complaints about the 2020 national elections.
That was Trump's only legitimate way forward, as a political leader.
But Trump gave short shrift to that, preferring to aid and abet a series of election-related crimes, from the fake electors conspiracies to the violent assault on the Capitol Building on "January 6."
Biden_Joe, pretendadent. ' Don't underestimate Joe's ability to _ uck things up. ' ~ Balack Oblama. Sheet is about to get real nasty, because the imbecile is inviting a nuke attack. What it means is that the Russian military must behead itself, or be incinerated. ' Putin, nyet ! ' Withdrawing from Crimea in defeat, to ensure peace ' in our time '. New York, in exchange for Saint Petersburg, you know, Leningrad, Petrograd. fjb in his depraved ear. ' Yeah, conk that coconut ! '
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NukeMap WorldBeyondWar LessWrong So, yeah, Putin is going out with a bang. So, like, yeah, umm... Russian military command must decapitate itself to ensure the survival of the people.
Trump and his allies challenged the election results in court in various states. Judges ruled against almost every last one of Team Trump's 60 or so attempts to challenge the election results. In the one case (if memory serves me) where Team Trump got a favorable ruling from a judge, the number of popular votes at stake wasn't enough to change anything in the Electoral College vote count that determines the winning Presidential candidate.
If Trump were any kind of legitimate political leader, he would have told his supporters at this point—after losing all of his challenges in the courts—that they had to accept that Biden-Harris had won and were the legitimately elected President and Vice President. Trump would have told his supporters that they needed to work at the level of state governments and legislatures to change the way that the 2024 national elections (still ahead of us) would be conducted. Changes to the absentee or mail-in voting rules and procedures that Trump was constantly bitching about. Changes of any kind, to comport with Trump's ideas about how the 2024 national elections should be carried out, to redress all of his complaints about the 2020 national elections.
That was Trump's only legitimate way forward, as a political leader.
But Trump gave short shrift to that, preferring to aid and abet a series of election-related crimes, from the fake electors conspiracies to the violent assault on the Capitol Building on "January 6."
So what you are suggesting is that after endless accusations and investigations, if the courts say that there is "no there there", we should accept their conclusions and just let it be?
I don't think I have to explain why "Not Guilty" verdicts or prosecutors' declinations or decisions to not bring charges are not the same as exonerations.
I don't think I should have to explain...
No justice system can provide perfect justice.
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I don't think I have to explain why "Not Guilty" verdicts or prosecutors' declinations or decisions to not bring charges are not the same as exonerations.
I don't think I should have to explain...
No justice system can provide perfect justice.
So, what you are saying is that election fraud has not been disproved?
It's a very brief exposition from me, and it's canonical. It needs no additional explanation, and no further elaboration or enlargement. It's complete.
The concept of election fraud is a rabbit hole. It's not falsifiable, and so exists outside the realm of logical and evidence-based discourse.
I eschew it.
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A little "eye candy"...a small break from "heaviosity".
What's not to like?
But, I thought it wasn't a planned visit? It was a surprise. The air raid sirens were real. The marxi-pad media refering Brandon to Abe Lincoln. Brandon the Bravest president to enter an active warzone. Blah blah blah.
Surprise to who?
About the stories from "Amtrak Joe"?
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Amtrak at the time declined to commend on the accuracy of Biden’s statement.
President Vladimir Putin revoked on Tuesday a 2012 decree that in part underpinned Moldova's sovereignty in resolving the future of the Transdniestria region - a Moscow-backed separatist region which borders Ukraine and where Russia keeps troops.
The decree, which included a Moldova component, outlined Russia's foreign policy 11 years ago which assumed Moscow's closer relations with the European Union and the United States.
The first move to disentangle from an externally imposed, potentially fatal diplomatic process is to change the semantics. Along with this move, the country—Moldova in this case—must assert the priority of its own interests over those who caught it in this trap—namely, Russia and its auxiliaries in the now 30-year-old Transnistria conflict-settlement process. Russia had designed this diplomatic process with its political objectives, organizational structure, ground rules and the attendant semantics in mind. This process foreordained either permanent partition or reunification under Russian control for Moldova.
Both songs have similar subject matter. The first, "The Dark Moldovan Girl" was written in the mid 20th century, but tells a tale from around 1918, of a young man who is talked into joining the army by a girl he meets in a field. The second is about being drafted, from around the time of the first Russian revolution.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Gotta love online political comments (in a car forum no less)! It quickly distinguishes the rational from the deluded.
What are you trying to say ? Tell us what you really think.
This is the Politics and Religion subsection. Are the deluded not to have opinions ? Are they not allowed to comment ? Why do they get to vote ?
Gotta love every subsection of PFF. It quickly distinguishes the rational from the deluded. Especially Chat and Technical Discussions.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Despite not being a District Attorney (but thanks for the compliment), I'm fully aware that this "IS the Politics & Religion section" of a car forum. And we all know that only the most astute unbiased political pundits seek out PFF to share their views.
Are you calling everybody here a moron ? Why are you here ?
Mr. Meaney, a fellow at the Max Planck Society in Germany, writes regularly on American foreign policy and international relations.
He's suggesting that a reasonable way to end the war is to accept Russian sovereignty over that Donbas or Donbass area that includes the cities of Luhansk and Donetsk (where there's currently a lot of ground combat) and the Crimean peninsula (which Russia already controls) and the land bridge that would connect Russia directly with the Crimean peninsula, which I think has to include the formerly Ukrainian city of Mariupol, much of which is now in ruins.
These are the last three paragraphs:
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As it stands today, Ukraine’s economic future appears viable even without the territories currently occupied by Russia. Ukraine has not been turned into a landlocked country and it remains in control of seven of the eight oblasts with the highest G.D.P. per capita. Ukraine would risk jeopardizing this position in a counteroffensive. Paradoxically, continued fighting also serves some Russian interests: It allows Moscow more chances to pummel Ukraine into a de facto buffer state, making it an ever less attractive candidate for NATO and European Union membership.
The historian Stephen Kotkin recently argued that Ukrainians may be better off defining victory as accession to the European Union rather than a complete recapture of all Ukrainian territory. And yet, except for countries that were neutral during the Cold War, each historical case of E.U. accession has been preceded by membership in NATO, which since the 1990s has acted as a ratings agency in Europe, guaranteeing countries as safe for investment. This fact is hardly lost on the Ukrainian population: Polls (which have mostly excluded Luhansk and Donetsk since 2014) show that interest in the country’s joining NATO appears to have jumped since the start of the conflict.
Only Washington ultimately has the power to decide how much of Ukraine it wants to bring under its umbrella. The actual official reluctance to include Ukraine in NATO has rarely been clearer, while the public embrace of Kyiv has never been more florid. In the meantime, European leaders may soon find themselves in the unenviable position of convincing Ukrainians that access to the common market and a European Marshall Fund is a reasonable exchange for “complete victory.”
This echoes the temperament (if not the details) of what I was saying some weeks ago, on another thread. So this op-ed gives me a warm, rosy feeling of "validation".
Am I wrong?
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? Why ? Because they took it with aggression ?
