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Georgia Primaries by blackrams
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The idea that GA's new voting laws were to suppress voters and yet, the end result appears to be a record turnout. Voter turnout 212%
Reported to have double digit increases across the board (to include minority voting). My goodness, how'd that happen?
It would appear the Suppression didn't work..............

Someone on the Left (or Right) please explain that one to me.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

The idea that GA's new voting laws were to suppress voters and yet, the end result appears to be a record turnout. Voter turnout 212%
Reported to have double digit increases across the board (to include minority voting). My goodness, how'd that happen?
It would appear the Suppression didn't work..............

Someone on the Left (or Right) please explain that one to me.

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Do we see where the voting took place (on the right or left)? Isn't Herschel Walker running in GA, or was that in PA?


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Do we see where the voting took place (on the right or left)? Isn't Herschel Walker running in GA, or was that in PA?



Walker is running in GA. I think he's running for a Senate seat.
What I heard was DJT's choice was beaten but, don't know who won the Republican seats. The Dems only had one candidate running for Governor, Stacie Abrams is her name.

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the two in the georgia Gop primary that the orange messiah hated the most ''WON''
THE GOVINATOR and the ratsoriso election guy

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the two in the georgia Gop primary that the orange messiah hated the most ''WON''
THE GOVINATOR and the ratsoriso election guy



Well, regardless of who won, it's painfully obvious that "Voter Suppression" failed miserably.
Voters came out in huge numbers. We're gonna have to come up with another way to keeps folks from voting I guess. That would be sarcasm for those who don't recognize it as such.

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yes I expect the Gop is hard at work right now on it

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Walker is running in GA. I think he's running for a Senate seat.
What I heard was DJT's choice was beaten but, don't know who won the Republican seats. The Dems only had one candidate running for Governor, Stacie Abrams is her name.

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Walker was Trump's "endorsement". He soundly beat his challenger in the primary. He'll be up against Warnock. That might be an ugly competition.

Kemp pretty much beat hell out of Purdue. ~73% to... whatever.
Thank your lucky stars that you didn't have to listen to all the campaign ads. Purdue came off like an idiot. But then he pretty much always has been an idiot.
Except for a few localities (like the eastern 'burbs, where the new Rivian plant is going in) Kemp is very well liked.

Now we get to listen to six months of "Kemp vs Stacey" ads - among others. God help us.
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Now we get to listen to six months of "Kemp vs Stacey" ads - among others. God help us.


Steve,
Let me be the first "outsider" to express my condolences.

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Steve,
Let me be the first "outsider" to express my condolences.

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Much appreciated. The struggle is real.

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Well, regardless of who won, it's painfully obvious that "Voter Suppression" failed miserably. Voters came out in huge numbers. We're gonna have to come up with another way to keeps folks from voting I guess. That would be sarcasm for those who don't recognize it as such.


Apparently, this New York Times columnist agrees. He's a Republican-leaning columnist that appears regularly in the Op-Ed section.

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[T]he primary balloting in Georgia saw record early-voting turnout and no evidence of meaningful impediments to voting, which exploded a different crisis narrative that took hold on the left — and in corporate America and the Biden White House — when the state passed new voting regulations last year. According to that narrative, in trying to address the paranoia of their own constituents, Republicans were essentially rolling back voting rights, even recreating Jim Crow — “on steroids,” to quote our president.

There was little good evidence for this narrative at the time, and even less evidence in the turnout rate for the Georgia primary, where early voting numbers were higher even than in 2020. “Jim Crow on steroids” should be stricken from the crisis cycle; it does not exist.

"The Good News in Georgia That’s Bad News for Trump"
Ross Douthat for the New York Times; May 28, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...p-raffensperger.html

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"The Good News in Georgia That’s Bad News for Trump"
Ross Douthat for the New York Times; May 28, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...p-raffensperger.html



Yeah... big whoop. (And I'm not going to pay for NYT, just so I can read their garbage.)

Most of the people in Georgia are more concerned with issues than with being in lock-step with Trump.
Some of his "endorsed" people will progress. Others will fall by the wayside.
Which, if you think about it, is probably as it should be.
People are thinking. Kind of a lost art, these days.

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People are thinking. Kind of a lost art, these days.



Some are, others, not so much....................
They hope the LEOs will rescue them in time .

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... Now we get to listen to six months of "Kemp vs Stacey" ads - among others. God help us.


From what she says she already IS the Governor, so you'd better get used to the idea
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From what she says she already IS the Governor, so you'd better get used to the idea


Yeah... hide and watch.

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Yeah... big whoop. (And I'm not going to pay for NYT, just so I can read their garbage.)

Most of the people in Georgia are more concerned with issues than with being in lock-step with Trump.
Some of his "endorsed" people will progress. Others will fall by the wayside.
Which, if you think about it, is probably as it should be.
People are thinking. Kind of a lost art, these days.



Yes, I'm sure all of the best and brightest in GA think Walker is senate material. Much thought involved.
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Yes, I'm sure all of the best and brightest in GA think Walker is senate material. Much thought involved.


You mad bro? I bet the KKK leader of the Senate, Robert Byrd (DEMOCRAT) would not approve.
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Like this guy?

Walker has good values, something we need in government as a country.


https://youtu.be/X5dkqUy7mUk

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Yes, I'm sure all of the best and brightest in GA think Walker is senate material. Much thought involved.



You Leftists obviously thought that this guy is "presidential material".......WITHOUT much any thought involved...(then or since).

You lost any authority for any of you to talk about suitability for office when you willfully and knowingly chose a guy with the cognitive ability of a potted houseplant.




Leftists gotta Leftist

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The Georgia primaries resulted in three state level Republican candidates winning out over Trump-endorsed rivals. Brian Kemp (Governor), Brad Raffensperger (Secretary of State) and Chris Carr (Attorney General). Brian Kemp and Chris Carr "cruised" to lopsided victories, and Brad Raffensperger surprised some pundits and pollsters with a 52% majority of the votes that advances him to the General Election in November without having to get through a Republican runoff election for Secretary of State.

I see it as a "dent" in the MAGA personality cult that worships Trump himself as some absolutely indispensable political guru, but not a setback in any way for MAGA ideas and sentiments, writ large.

You don't have to look far (literally) to see some of the mental rot that gets swept up and incorporated into the same MAGA movement that, whatever else might be said about it, includes many other peopel that could actually pass as sane or of sound mind, in the eyes of a fully credentialed and competent examining psychiatrist.

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I see TDS is alive and well.

Trump isn't on the ballot.

And BHO is still running the White House with Susan Rice pulling the strings of power.
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I see TDS is alive and well.

Trump isn't on the ballot.

And BHO is still running the White House with Susan Rice pulling the strings of power.




It's amazing how completely Trump broke the fragile "minds" of Leftists.

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Brad Raffensperger surprised some pundits and pollsters with a 52% majority of the votes that advances him to the General Election in November without having to get through a Republican runoff.



Yeah. Apparently with the help from a large number of Democrat crossover voters.
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Yeah. Apparently with the help from a large number of Democrat crossover voters.



YES THEY DID.

That crap worked for them back in 2012 when O'Bummer was in office,....

....but 2022 IS NOT 2012.

Brandon is an albatross around their neck, they caused the highest runaway inflation in 40 years , energy costs are skyrocketing to historic highs and their foreign policy is a huge dumpster fire.

Leftists are going to get eviscerated from Congress in November no matter what stunts or outright cheating they try to pull.


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what the Gop has been caught cheating here is FAKE CANDIDATES

THEY FIND A PERSON WITH SIMILAR NAME
and pay them to run to dilute the votes by a small % as an independent

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what the Gop has been caught cheating here is FAKE CANDIDATES

THEY FIND A PERSON WITH SIMILAR NAME
and pay them to run to dilute the votes by a small % as an independent



Cheating? Interesting definition (on your part).
It would seem the voters still have the opportunity to cast a vote for their candidate. Don't they?

Or did someone round up as many voters as possible without proper identification and take them to the polls?

It's not like mass mailing ballots out to every one on the register (alive or dead) and then harvesting all the votes one can stuff into the ballot box. Now, that would be cheating.

Edited: Admittedly, keeping up with the way Dems have come up with to cheat on elections has been a long and learning process.

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Cheating? Interesting definition (on your part).
It would seem the voters still have the opportunity to cast a vote for their candidate. Don't they?

Or did someone round up as many voters as possible without proper identification and take them to the polls?

It's not like mass mailing ballots out to every one on the register (alive or dead) and then harvesting all the votes one can stuff into the ballot box. Now, that would be cheating.

Edited: Admittedly, keeping up with the way Dems have come up with to cheat on elections has been a long and learning process.

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it is a cheat when

they find a guy or gal with a very similar name
that person is PAID TO RUN ALL FEES ADS ECT PLUS A BRIBE
something that they would not do but for being paid by the Gop

btw how far are you in Hattiesburg, MS from where the civil rights workers were killed by the con's in Mississippi burning ?
want to talk about how the con's use to run that state ?
you ever get out of last place in far too many things down there ?

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it is a cheat when

they find a guy or gal with a very similar name
that person is PAID TO RUN ALL FEES ADS ECT PLUS A BRIBE
something that they would not do but for being paid by the Gop


First I've ever heard that one.
Got a link?

 
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btw how far are you in Hattiesburg, MS from where the civil rights workers were killed by the con's in Mississippi burning ?
want to talk about how the con's use to run that state ?
you ever get out of last place in far too many things down there ?



Could you possibly be more of a posterior orifice? (Don't answer that. I already know the answer.)

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it is a cheat when

they find a guy or gal with a very similar name
that person is PAID TO RUN ALL FEES ADS ECT PLUS A BRIBE
something that they would not do but for being paid by the Gop

btw how far are you in Hattiesburg, MS from where the civil rights workers were killed by the con's in Mississippi burning ?
want to talk about how the con's use to run that state ?
you ever get out of last place in far too many things down there ?


The last thing I need is a Democrat defining Cheating. Pot calling the Kettle black..... Credibility is seriously lacking. But, it's still a country with free speech, at least until the Disinformation Board of the Homeland Security doesn't agree with you so, call it what you like. No problem from me. Just thought you deserve to know how I view your perspective.


Edtied: But, Radar brings up a good question, got any proof the "Cheating" (as you describe it) actually happened or could this be just another one of those false allegations impossible to prove in a court of law? Just how credible is the source of this information you have described? We all know how HRC's campaign discredited President Trump with false accusations of Russian

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fla fake candidates

then hit search
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https://www.palmbeachpost.c...ion-case/5593843001/
In that contest, Democratic incumbent Javier Rodriguez lost by just 32 votes to Republican Ileana Garcia. What raised suspicions was a third candidate, listed as "Alex Rodriguez," who garnered more than 6,000 votes.

btw that one was a plea

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https://www.local10.com/new...unded-by-dark-money/
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BTW, those murders you spoke of were committed by the KKK, a Democrat organization.

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Could you possibly be more of a posterior orifice? (Don't answer that. I already know the answer.)



SORRY BUT NO CENSORSHIP OF PAST BAD ACTIONS

well dude if my area had a real history of voter suppression by terror and DEATH
IN FACT ABOUT THE WORST EVER IN ANY STATE
I do think it is worth mention and relevant to the discussion at hand
and no they do not get to blame demo's for actions of CONSERVATIVES

SO SORRY BUT IT IS REAL
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fla fake candidates

then hit search
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https://www.palmbeachpost.c...ion-case/5593843001/
In that contest, Democratic incumbent Javier Rodriguez lost by just 32 votes to Republican Ileana Garcia. What raised suspicions was a third candidate, listed as "Alex Rodriguez," who garnered more than 6,000 votes.

btw that one was a plea

or
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Even the headline says, Voter's Group Say................ So, there's another accusation. Kind of like the Trump accusation. Guilty unless proven innocent?
The funny thing here is, I was never a Trump fan during the primaries and only voted initially for him because of the criminal the Dems put up as a candidate.
Their next selection was an idiot, one they could control.

The irony is, I am a registered Democrat.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

BTW, those murders you spoke of were committed by the KKK, a Democrat organization.

Rams


WHITE FIRST CONSERVITVE BY CHOICE SOUTHERNERS
WHO TODAY WOULD BE MOSTLY IN THE Gop IF ALIVE AND THEIR KIDS ARE TODAY

HOW FAR
both in miles and in years are you today from that time and place

sorry but the history must be known
and not repeated

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SORRY BUT NO CENSORSHIP OF PAST BAD ACTIONS

well dude if my area had a real history of voter suppression by terror and DEATH
IN FACT ABOUT THE WORST EVER IN ANY STATE
I do think it is worth mention and relevant to the discussion at hand
and no they do not get to blame demo's for actions of CONSERVATIVES

SO SORRY BUT IT IS REAL
AND SOME AREAS HAVE A LOT TO MAKE UP FOR


As much as you wish to deny past actions of the Democrats, you seem to possess a very short memory of what, who and how those things happened.

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WHITE FIRST CONSERVITVE DEMOCRATS BY CHOICE SOUTHERNERS




Corrected that for you. ray b, please at least try to get it right.

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Corrected that for you. ray b, please at least try to get it right.

Rams


you know back then it was more of a demand then a real pick to be a demo
as most thought goddammyankeerepublican was one word in the south
and there was really no other option for most people as lib's fairy's and a few brave negro's were in the Gop

just like one could pick from the approved christian cult list but no moslems Buddhism or atheists were allow in the klan

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SORRY BUT NO CENSORSHIP OF PAST BAD ACTIONS

well dude if my area had a real history of voter suppression by terror and DEATH
IN FACT ABOUT THE WORST EVER IN ANY STATE
I do think it is worth mention and relevant to the discussion at hand
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SO SORRY BUT IT IS REAL
AND SOME AREAS HAVE A LOT TO MAKE UP FOR


While trying to paint Rams with that broad brush, you missed one vital piece of info.
He has only lived there for a very few years.

Obviously, he missed out on all the events that you seem to want him to have been a part of.
Of course, lefties blaming conservatives for stuff that happened long ago, while taking no responsibility for stuff that they, themselves, are doing right now, is a mantra of the leftists.

You're gonna have to try harder. Maybe go tear down a statue or something.
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Originally posted by ray b:

btw how far are you in Hattiesburg, MS from where the civil rights workers were killed by the con's in Mississippi burning ?
want to talk about how the con's use to run that state ?
you ever get out of last place in far too many things down there ?



BTW... WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL TOPIC OF THE THREAD?!

See how effing stupid that sounds, when you're on the other end of it?

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you know back then it was more of a demand then a real pick to be a demo



Couldn't say ray b. I wasn't there and neither were you.

We really only know what history teaches us. Of course, some seem to have their own version of history.
Now, I recognize that there are two sides to every story and don't think for a minute that every Republican is a Saint. But, too many Dems have proven what they really are and want to tear down everything this nation stands for.

Which make me think about Build Back Better. Our President's claim to fame and recipe for a new USA. What he didn't explain was that to build back better, one apparently must demolish what is already in place. Although, he has faced huge disapproval from the right, the left is even turning on him now. At least that's what the polls are showing.

ray b, you can paint me whatever color you wish in reference to those Mississippi Burning comments but, you don't know me so, your opinion matters to me as much as rinse's does.
My apologies to the rest of the readers, we got off topic and that's partly my fault. Will try to ignore ray b from this point on.

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