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Guanci Pontiac Fiero? by Rsvl-Rider
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I've never heard of this car before. There is an 8 page sales brochure available on Amazon and a photo on eBay, but based on very limited research (curiosity + boredom) It seems that perhaps only 2 were ever produced. It's "rumored" to be based on a Fiero? Referred to as both a 1979 and a 1983 but aside from a couple of links below I'm not sure how the Fiero got tied into this. It seems an interesting story, anyway.



https://www.amazon.com/Guan...ochure/dp/B00QPJSNEU

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19...5:g:lXMAAOSwfshbBs4g

http://carzhunt.blogspot.co...he-got-it-again.html

http://pantera.infopop.cc/e...0045562/m/8790074584
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Just by the timing (1977-79) and looking at the photos, it has NOTHING to do with the Fiero.
More: http://forum.retro-rides.or...9/1979-guanci-sjj1gt

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Looks like just another, perhaps expensive, fiberglass body creation or perhaps a reworked Bricklin. Whatever platform it was built on, the 77-79 model years were not good ones for automobiles. It was made by John Guanci and never went into production.

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There were proto type v8 fieros in 1979but don't think this relates.
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There were proto type v8 fieros in 1979but don't think this relates.


Can you provide info to support that statement?
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There were a few prototype fieros in the 60s as well. Don't hold me to it but if memory serves they were a firebird add on deal like the trans am package but they were 2 seaters.
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No not a Fiero. Like the fake Lotus stuff it is fake here too.

This was a brain child of a Chicago buisness man that only built two cars.

It had a Corvette L82 but that is about it. Back then a number of folks were looking to build sports cars for the Disco Members Only crowd.

The 60’s Fiero was a Firebird show car. Back then Fiero meant Fi-rebird A-ero Concept. They knew nothing of proud in Italian.
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Can you provide info to support that statement?


Not anymore.....
I used to have info on my site before I deleted it but I am sure there are copies of the pics around.
There were some black and white pics of the concepts which look exacl same as any fiero.

Fiero facts I had listed I cannot find the source as i was 15 years ago.
The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.
The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds
A 4-cylinder Fiero belting out only 370 bhp took the NHRA's Competition Eliminator title
at the Keystone Nationals on September 15, 1985 with a best 1/4-mile time of 9.72 seconds at 134.41 mph.
Several factory prototypes were made of a Fiero convertible.
Two prototypes were made in 1986 of a Fiero with an aluminum frame.
Fiero prototypes were running in 1978.
The Fiero had nearly 3 times as many sales as the MR2 during any given year in its life time.
The Fiero was the first American car to win in IMSA GTU.
Car & Driver called the Fiero, "One of the best cars in America"
and gave the Fiero a slot in their top ten best category.
The Los Angeles Auto Expo gave the Fiero their Design of the Year Award.
Spectators at the unveiling of the fastback Fiero mistook the GT version as a new Corvette.
GM had a problem of employees purchasing Fieros before the public had an opportunity.
This car is a quarter of a century old now 25 years making it a vintage car.
Most replica cars are registered as fieros as easily rebodied over constructing custom chassis.
There have been hundreds of various body panels available over it lifetime for this car.
The latest being a convincing Lamborghini Revolution.
Pontiac even sold a replica Ferrari 308/328 model called the Mera and many Fieros were also converted by dealers.
No I diidn't make this all up it once came from verified sources before every url listed died.

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Not anymore.....
I used to have info on my site before I deleted it but I am sure there are copies of the pics around.
There were some black and white pics of the concepts which look exacl same as any fiero.

Fiero facts I had listed I cannot find the source as i was 15 years ago.
The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.
The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds
A 4-cylinder Fiero belting out only 370 bhp took the NHRA's Competition Eliminator title
at the Keystone Nationals on September 15, 1985 with a best 1/4-mile time of 9.72 seconds at 134.41 mph.
Several factory prototypes were made of a Fiero convertible.
Two prototypes were made in 1986 of a Fiero with an aluminum frame.
Fiero prototypes were running in 1978.
The Fiero had nearly 3 times as many sales as the MR2 during any given year in its life time.
The Fiero was the first American car to win in IMSA GTU.
Car & Driver called the Fiero, "One of the best cars in America"
and gave the Fiero a slot in their top ten best category.
The Los Angeles Auto Expo gave the Fiero their Design of the Year Award.
Spectators at the unveiling of the fastback Fiero mistook the GT version as a new Corvette.
GM had a problem of employees purchasing Fieros before the public had an opportunity.
This car is a quarter of a century old now 25 years making it a vintage car.
Most replica cars are registered as fieros as easily rebodied over constructing custom chassis.
There have been hundreds of various body panels available over it lifetime for this car.
The latest being a convincing Lamborghini Revolution.
Pontiac even sold a replica Ferrari 308/328 model called the Mera and many Fieros were also converted by dealers.
No I diidn't make this all up it once came from verified sources before every url listed died.



The list here is accurate. But it lacks full disclosure. Like the Drag car was a tube RWD chassis and only used a DGP body. Etc.

There was work being done on the Fiero in 1978 but it was limited and just starting. It was around this time Hulki adopted the mid engine lay out from the GM tech center. It was originally a proposal for the Corvette that was rejected. This was in the book Inside the Corvette by Dave Mclellend.

The V8 Fiero came later and was based in a production chassis not a early prototype. Pontiac originally toyed with the Turbo 2.9 V6.

Still this car has nothing to do with the Fiero.

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Looks like the "gadget mobile" in sports car mode
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The list here is accurate. But it lacks full disclosure. Like the Drag car was a tube RWD chassis and only used a DGP body. Etc.

There was work being done on the Fiero in 1978 but it was limited and just starting. It was around this time Hulki adopted the mid engine lay out from the GM tech center. It was originally a proposal for the Corvette that was rejected. This was in the book Inside the Corvette by Dave Mclellend.

The V8 Fiero came later and was based in a production chassis not a early prototype. Pontiac originally toyed with the Turbo 2.9 V6.

Still this car has nothing to do with the Fiero.


Exactly I should have deleted it all forever as rather than try defend any of the information.
All the old geocities urls all the resources links etc are all gone.

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Originally posted by Australian:

Fiero facts I had listed I cannot find the source as i was 15 years ago.
A 4-cylinder Fiero belting out only 370 bhp took the NHRA's Competition Eliminator title
at the Keystone Nationals on September 15, 1985 with a best 1/4-mile time of 9.72 seconds at 134.41 mph.


I do not doubt many of your statements nor integrity but to run A 1/4 mile time of 9.72 seconds you need way more than 370bhp. That would be less than 300HP at the wheels. Darkhorizon ran 9's with his 3800 turbo Fiero but he was making 750HP at the wheels and with a shot of nitrous..
As for the Guanci, yes only two of them were built and the creator never got the financing or investors to go into production. That was about the time that the Bricklin came out (IMO a similar car) and that company failed .

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I do not doubt many of your statements nor integrity but to run A 1/4 mile time of 9.72 seconds you need way more than 370bhp. That would be less than 300HP at the wheels. Darkhorizon ran 9's with his 3800 turbo Fiero but he was making 750HP at the wheels and with a shot of nitrous..
As for the Guanci, yes only two of them were built and the creator never got the financing or investors to go into production. That was about the time that the Bricklin came out (IMO a similar car) and that company failed .




The Fiero drag car was a fill tube chassis and was around 370 to 400 HP. The car did not weigh much for the class it ran.

It belonged to the Rod Shop and later the guy at Accel owned it. gam had a lot of info out on the car.

The only factory part s on the cars was the tail lights and the steering wheel.

It did not need anymore HP to run 9 seconds. It was a pure drag chassis.

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The Fiero drag car was a fill tube chassis and was around 370 to 400 HP. The car did not weigh much for the class it ran.

It belonged to the Rod Shop and later the guy at Accel owned it. gam had a lot of info out on the car.

The only factory part s on the cars was the tail lights and the steering wheel.

It did not need anymore HP to run 9 seconds. It was a pure drag chassis.


If the car had a full tube chassis, a different engine, gearbox and a fiberglass body shell, it is debatable if that can really be called a Pontiac Fiero. Perhaps Fiero styled race car would better describe it.

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The annoying thing is the info has gone it was a pretty fun page to be able to see where the info came from as every statement had a link. As i said it without proof it is all heresay. The fiero drag car was a sd4 off memory it was fiero powered.
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