I tried a search for 2+2 but the forum doesn't like that, so I figured I'd ask. Looking for more info or pics on the 2+2 prototype as shown here: http://www.gt.ppdictionary....totype_photos_4.html Says it was sold at B-J some time ago. Anyone on here have it? A growing family has me curious
Glad to hear it seems to e in good hands There's a handful of fiero fbook groups, do you know which one or could you post the pics here? Or PM me if that makes more sense. Thanks!
I'm curious about the center console & quarter windows. Probably almost impossible to get. I wonder if cooling is more difficult. It would almost require power steering.
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And GTA trans am "E.T." seats! Still not enough room for a hot date to steam windows with. I'd have picked the two seater first anyway. Would love to know how hard it was to build the longer quarter windows.
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You have to keep in mind this car was not a car even considered for production. It was a experiment only to see how the space frame could be used in a sedan or larger car.
As for the rear seat if anyone sat there getting in is not easy and for the most part if you have normal feel and legs it makes the back of a Camaro feel spacious. Lets just put it this way Lieutenant Dan from Forest Gump would have been comfortable.
For those not familiar with the car it stated out as a notch back and standard nose and was converted to a GT later. At one time the rear windows wrapped into the roof.
So if you see photo's of another 4 seat notch it is the same car.
I know most of you know but so often I see some one new not knowing and thinking there are more than one.
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Any pictures of when it was a notchie? I found one on Google and the link went to a board on here, but it was referred to as the "Stretch Concept" looks more like a limo almost.
Any idea on how long this car was? I know its long compared to a standard Fiero, but what about in comparison to other cars, because it just looks LONG!
Thanks for the info, hyperv6. I'd seen the other pics and wondered.
This car looks about 2 feet longer than a Fiero would normally be. Basically, the distance between the back of the door window and where the quarter window would start. Think of that. 2 feet for a person to sit. Isn't your femur longer than that?
As far as the space frame goes, I can't really see this as a convertible. I'd expect a lot of frame flex. The ride would probably be...interesting.
Originally posted by tshark: As far as the space frame goes, I can't really see this as a convertible. I'd expect a lot of frame flex. The ride would probably be...interesting.
Depends... if it was built to be a convertible, it would be fine. Cutting the top off... different story (I have owned a convertible fiero).
Any pictures of when it was a notchie? I found one on Google and the link went to a board on here, but it was referred to as the "Stretch Concept" looks more like a limo almost.
Any idea on how long this car was? I know its long compared to a standard Fiero, but what about in comparison to other cars, because it just looks LONG!
That's the one he's talking about up top.
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The bottom car is a clay of the 1990 coupe. I have one of the nose badges like the one shown here. This was the car to get the Quad 4. The rear pillars were see through Plexiglas or were planned to be. Here they may be solid since it was a clay. . The mules had plexi.
The stretch car may not have had much flex. If it was built tight it should have been as solid as the coupe.
The Convertible conversions depend on the engineering they received. Some were better than others but like any open top car including the T tops you lose some rigidity.
Today cars like the Camaro and Corvette are designed first as a convertible but even they still have a little more flex and more weight. Today cars structures tied with the roof. Not only is the roof a support agent but the windows play a major part putting stiffness in the platform. Take a windshield out of a car today and the roof loses much of the support.
They glue in the windshield and rear windows as they do for two reasons. One Airbags. It gives the bag something to press off of when it inflates. The other reason it adds support to the roof. Even if the windshield breaks it helps add support.
The bottom car is a clay of the 1990 coupe. I have one of the nose badges like the one shown here. This was the car to get the Quad 4. The rear pillars were see through Plexiglas or were planned to be. Here they may be solid since it was a clay. . The mules had plexi.
I remember seeing some pictures, poor quality pictures, of the 90 coupe prototype in grey. They were pictures of it shortly before it got destroyed. I assume that car wasn't the one pictured above right?
Found one of the pictures. Looking at it, it's actually 2 of them in a row possibly 3. Low quality makes it hard to tell but the one furthest away in front of it looks to have the same lights placement and general shape.
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Awesome IMSA! So the one in the back of the first photo I did has the luggage rack while the one in the front and middle has a spoiler. The spoiler on those was set back pretty far in comparison to the 84-88. Looks like they might have been the Stealth Wing stand type of idea. Weren't you making those at one time?
I remember seeing some pictures, poor quality pictures, of the 90 coupe prototype in grey. They were pictures of it shortly before it got destroyed. I assume that car wasn't the one pictured above right?
Found one of the pictures. Looking at it, it's actually 2 of them in a row possibly 3. Low quality makes it hard to tell but the one furthest away in front of it looks to have the same lights placement and general shape.
Yes these are the running mules but the one in the other photo is a clay model and not a real running car. It was done in clay long before these others were built.
Note when they are on a table like this in a studio and there is no glass just black paint or Mylar that it is a clay model. That is also why you can not see through the pillar windows either. The table is not only to level the car but also to give them a way to move it. GM will take these to the court yard at the tech center to get natural light on the cars and rotate them to see how they look our of the studio. You have seen many photo's there as it is a brick court yard.
they also have a large hall under the tech center dome. It is very advanced today with a lot of special lighting and effects. You may have seen it in the last Transformers movie as they had a autobot fight there. The Tech Center is an amazing place and it is a sad so few people ever get inside. Even those that work there are limited to where they can go.
So you have three running mules and one clay model that is not one of the other cars.
I just noticed someting. Look at not just the seats, but the headrests. I noticed the rear headrest first, but look at the front headrest. Where did that come from?
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To the best of my knowledge the seats were based on the early 90's seats used in the Trans Am. Keep in mind when this car was built many items were carried over to the 4th gen F body.
Now the headrest were never production. GM had played around with the seats and changed headrest from time to time but these were prototypes that never went production.
I thought RAREW66 owned the 3rd Indy Pace Car. This video says it was crushed. Is the video wrong? What car did they crush if not #3 ?
At the time this video was made, we did not have confirmation and the research complete to know that the PPG Pace Car is Indy #3. It was not until 2007 that we gained access to the car in it's glass enclosure at the Chicago Science and Industry Museum to research and document the car. So, up until 2007, all we had was rumors and speculation as to where Indy #3 went. It did not help that the documentation that GM supplied with the car to the museum was in complete error. I looked at about a half dozen Indy Fieros that were supposedly the lost pace car to find that they were not. The rumor that Indy #3 was crushed came from old FOCOA folklore from the 80's; being the Fiero authority at the time, we figured it must be true. I feel somewhat fortunate that most did not realize that the car was an actual pace car when it went to auction or the price may have gone higher than it did.
At the time this video was made, we did not have confirmation and the research complete to know that the PPG Pace Car is Indy #3. It was not until 2007 that we gained access to the car in it's glass enclosure at the Chicago Science and Industry Museum to research and document the car. So, up until 2007, all we had was rumors and speculation as to where Indy #3 went. It did not help that the documentation that GM supplied with the car to the museum was in complete error. I looked at about a half dozen Indy Fieros that were supposedly the lost pace car to find that they were not. The rumor that Indy #3 was crushed came from old FOCOA folklore from the 80's; being the Fiero authority at the time, we figured it must be true. I feel somewhat fortunate that most did not realize that the car was an actual pace car when it went to auction or the price may have gone higher than it did.
Fred
Lets not forget the 4th pace car you guys found at the speedway that was the prototype we did not know about for years. The one with the Turbo OHC engine.
Fred I think that was one of the greatest finds you had.