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Improved site search function by Napoleon_Tanerite
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The search engine on this site leaves something to be desired (to put it nicely). Some of you may already know this, but you can use Google to search PFF. All you need to do is add "site:www.Fiero.nl" to the end of the search. So say I wanted to search about a guy restoring fastback tail lights I would enter "fastback tail light restoration site:www.Fiero.nl" into the search bar.
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Originally posted by Napoleon_Tanerite:

The search engine on this site leaves something to be desired (to put it nicely).


What are the problems you are experiencing? I agree Google search is much better (that's why they are Google and I... well, am not) but the PFF search really isn't that bad. Problem is that not many people know how to use it.
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PS: when searching Google, leave out the "www." part.

So type:

ignition module problems site:fiero.nl
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The site search works as designed, but is difficult to find things as it seems to only search a limited criteria. I didn't mean this thread to be excessively negative on the forum, but I have always had trouble finding what I want in site search, and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one.
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What are the problems you are experiencing? I agree Google search is much better (that's why they are Google and I... well, am not) but the PFF search really isn't that bad. Problem is that not many people know how to use it.


Here is a good example, I just did a PFF search, specifying General chat, subject included, for the title of this thread:

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I'm not saying this is always the case, but in my experience here, the people complaining about the Search function at PFF have often left it in the default category to be searching through... rather than changing it to Entire Forum & Archives. Keywords and/or phrases chosen to search for are also critically important, and obviously leaving it in Subject/Username as opposed to choosing Entire thread severely limits results as well.

The only time I need to use Google to find something here is when I'm looking for a particular image.

EDIT: I'd like to be able to search to find out whom we get our ratings from. I don't think I've posted more than a handful of times in the last week (certainly nothing inflammatory IMO), I quit wasting time in O/T months ago, and yet I see I've just picked up a negative rating. Merry freakin' Christmas...

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Originally posted by Patrick:


EDIT: I'd like to be able to search to find out out whom we get our ratings from. I don't think I've posted more than a handful of times in the last week (certainly nothing inflammatory IMO), I quit wasting time in O/T months ago, and yet I see I've just picked up a negative rating. Merry freakin' Christmas...



I get the same thing. I haven't had a chance to post much recently yet I come on here last week and see a negative rating. I think old members are just creating new accounts strictly to give ratings and then abandoning their logon and creating new ones.

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

I think old members are just creating new accounts strictly to give ratings and then abandoning their logon and creating new ones.


Well... if that's the explanation, then these guys need to get a life.
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It works great if you remember who started the thread, who replied, the thread title, or exact sentences. Used to be MUCH worse, MinnGreen used to be the only one who could use it.
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How can you tell when you get a negative? How can search be used to find out where you got it?

Patrick, your posts were too far apart, or it was a blue moon, or the planets didn't line up. Here, 500 more negatives for you. Oh, heck. Let's not do it halfway. 500 million of them. J/k.

The search function on PFF is erratic. It seems to work OK for usernames, but not so well for titles; however, a thread I created didn't show for a while, even when searching entire forum.

Search algorithms are complex. Even with single word searches, you have binary vs string searches for case; regex expressions for similarities, position, mispellings, etc. Add another word, and you have to add inclusions/exclusions, order, preference, ordinality, etc. Search engines have indexed tables from their web crawling. Your search is against one or more tables in their database. Most other searches are live against actual data. In the case of PFF, it's odd, since the content should be on the same server as the search code. Perhaps there is a bit of a delay between the content and its searchability.

Yep. After posting this, I did a search by my username, and this wasn't among the results. A delay.

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Originally posted by Patrick:

EDIT: I'd like to be able to search to find out whom we get our ratings from. I don't think I've posted more than a handful of times in the last week (certainly nothing inflammatory IMO), I quit wasting time in O/T months ago, and yet I see I've just picked up a negative rating. Merry freakin' Christmas...


Glad to see you bailed on OT. I haven't been near it to almost a year...and I feel great about it!!!

...on a side note, my rating bar showed up today! I was happy to see it wasn't heavy in the red, lol. (probably since I haven't been on OT in almost a year....)
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Originally posted by tshark:

How can you tell when you get a negative?


First things first... you need a ratings bar. Go rock the boat in O/T. It'll appear soon enough.

Once you have a ratings bar, you'll begin to notice that the number of ratings will usually remain static for long periods of time. The number of ratings will often burn into your brain (because you'll see it displayed over and over again)... so when that number changes, it jumps out at you. That little pointy thing in the middle will move with as little as one additional rating, so it's easy enough to tell which way it's gone... left or right, negative or positive.

 
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How can search be used to find out where you got it?


I was being totally facetious. Cliff has repeatedly made it clear that we'll never have the ability here to know who's rated us how... or why. I'd like that to change, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Glad to see you bailed on OT. I haven't been near it to almost a year...and I feel great about it!!!


Yeah. I wasn't happy any longer with how I was responding to being provoked (and there are a few guys in O/T who appear to get their jollies doing that). I asked myself how much I was enjoying O/T as opposed to being ashamed of some of the company I was keeping there. It was a no brainer... I left a couple of months ago and don't miss the aggravation at all.

 
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...on a side note, my rating bar showed up today! I was happy to see it wasn't heavy in the red, lol. (probably since I haven't been on OT in almost a year....)


Way too much green. What a suck. .............................. Just kidding!

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My only problem is, I can't fkn spell so nothing comes up most times as it is spelling sensitive, Google will fix spelling errors for me but not in search here or when on Skype. Not to mention my typing skills are even worse, hell when spell check does work when like it's supposed to sometimes I can't even figure out what the word was I was trying to type.

Now if spell check worked in there it might help me some and even maybe some others, but remember people sometimes name their threads really strange names when it comes to the thread itself, so it has to work overtime to find anything if you are just searching titles.

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I've never really had a problem with the search function on here. There is a time delay when a new thread appears in the search area. I think most of the search issues are related to the poster giving his thread a title like "My Graveyard Car". Then they post 5 pages of a perfect custom 3800 swap with custom body panels. Now NO ONE can search for that thread unless they remember parts of it's title.

If people would stop trying to be cute with the wording of their titles and simply state what they are doing "My custom body 3800 swap", the search would work fine.

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I think I'm guilty of this with my build thread. I kinda wish I could change the title.

 
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I've never really had a problem with the search function on here. There is a time delay when a new thread appears in the search area. I think most of the search issues are related to the poster giving his thread a title like "My Graveyard Car". Then they post 5 pages of a perfect custom 3800 swap with custom body panels. Now NO ONE can search for that thread unless they remember parts of it's title.

If people would stop trying to be cute with the wording of their titles and simply state what they are doing "My custom body 3800 swap", the search would work fine.



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Originally posted by Napoleon_Tanerite:

I think I'm guilty of this with my build thread. I kinda wish I could change the title.



Actually I never even though of your build thread but yes, in your thread, you did a beautiful job restoring the tailights. Now, people will remember seeing those photos and search for "GT taillights", they won't show up so they will either have to search by thread title, your screen name, or mark them as favorites.

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

If people would stop trying to be cute with the wording of their titles and simply state what they are doing... the search would work fine.


On a similar note... when I see people give a name to their topic heading such as "Help me please", I can only shake my head.
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On a similar note... when I see people give a name to their topic heading such as "Help me please", I can only shake my head.


LOL! SO TRUE!

My favorite was a few weeks back:
"Can someone local help me?"
(To make it worse, they never entered their location into their profile here on the forum! ! !)

Please grow a brain, and maybe next time post something that people may actually click on like:
"Need help with an 87 GT misfiring in the Dallas TX area"

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My favorite was a few weeks back:
"Can someone local help me?"
(To make it worse, they never entered their location into their profile here on the forum! ! !)


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What are the problems you are experiencing? I agree Google search is much better (that's why they are Google and I... well, am not) but the PFF search really isn't that bad. Problem is that not many people know how to use it.


There are numerous problems with the forum's search feature. It shouldn't require special knowledge on how to use it; if it does, then it needs fixed not to require such knowledge.

For me, it is incredibly hard to find the posts I want to find, and that has nothing to do with knowing how to use the search or not. Searching for posts by a specific user, or anything that requires using the "entire thread" classifier, is quite annoying, because the results don't return links to the specific posts in the thread. You only get one link to each thread, regardless of how many matches are in the thread, and they all point to the start of the thread. If a thread is 50 pages long, and the matching post is somewhere in the middle, it can be quite annoying to find, as one must go through every page and then use the browser's page search function to find the same text in the page. Trying to find posts on threads by specific users requires using the "entire thread" classifier, so one has to end up searching through every page as well to find the right content.

The default results also don't sort the results as newest first. Instead it sorts by "reference" but it is totally unclear to anyone other than you (since you wrote the code) what that means.

Some immediate suggestions I would make, would be:

1) Sort results "Newest First" with highest match % and get rid of "by reference"
2) Get rid of the "Subject/User" and "Entire thread" options, always searching entire thread
3) Include direct links to specific posts in thread which matched the search query
4) Use "title:" and "user:" tags to specify limiting the search to the thread title or to usernames, where user matches all posts made by that user
5) Clarify these things in plain documentation on the search page itself, rather than relying on users to intuit how to use the page and guessing wrong
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Originally posted by Patrick:
EDIT: I'd like to be able to search to find out whom we get our ratings from. I don't think I've posted more than a handful of times in the last week (certainly nothing inflammatory IMO), I quit wasting time in O/T months ago, and yet I see I've just picked up a negative rating. Merry freakin' Christmas...


I'd like to see the ratings system improved or removed in favor of just having +1/-1 on individual posts. While the current ratings system is useful for the occasionally very rare ultra troll that comes on and gets quickly banned through it, the current ratings system overall is not useful to the forum, particularly as there is no moderation of ratings, and people hand them out based for petty reasoning, rather than based on anything remotely objective to improving the forum. Knowing who gave whom a rating won't make the forum a better place either. It will only throw fuel on the fire for those that have petty disdain for others. On the other hand, having per-post like/dislike buttons could let people know more accurately what people are disagreeing with.

If the current ratings system has to stay, then a more "eventually neutral" design would be better.
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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

It works great if you remember who started the thread, who replied, the thread title, or exact sentences. Used to be MUCH worse, MinnGreen used to be the only one who could use it.


MinnGreen told me his secret... he has the uncanny ability to remember who started the thread he's looking for, who replied or the thread title. With that info, things are a lot easier to find.

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Knowing who gave whom a rating won't make the forum a better place either.


That's debatable. I suspect it would at least cut down on the truly gutless wonders who've posted nothing to a particular thread, who've added nothing to the discussion, yet behind the scenes indiscriminately toss negative ratings around.

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That's debatable. I suspect it would at least cut down on the truly gutless wonders who've posted nothing to a particular thread, who've added nothing to the discussion, yet behind the scenes indiscriminately toss negative ratings around.


I suspect it won't. And it won't make people follow the forum rules any better either. I think getting rid of the current ratings system would be the better solution for the former, and better moderation is the solution to the latter.
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I suspect it won't.


Well, you and I can agree to disagree... and I won't neg you for it either. However, it's my experience with people in general that they're far better behaved when they can be held accountable for their actions (ie not being allowed to act anonymously).
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Well, you and I can agree to disagree... and I won't neg you for it either. However, it's my experience with people in general that they're far better behaved when they can be held accountable for their actions (ie not being allowed to act anonymously).


I guess if that were true, then 90% of the threads in T/OT might not exist.

But even if you could know who rated you, it doesn't help with the people that gave you a neg forever ago and haven't even looked at the forum in years. I still think a better system would be per-post like/dislike, and perhaps have it also who clicked on like/dislike.
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I guess if that were true, then 90% of the threads in T/OT might not exist.


Ain't that the truth.
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Well, you and I can agree to disagree... and I won't neg you for it either. However, it's my experience with people in general that they're far better behaved when they can be held accountable for their actions (ie not being allowed to act anonymously).


Don't be so sure..... I troll far harder on Facebook where my real name is attached versus here, though it's not like it's a big secret who I am on here/FB
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Don't be so sure...


I never said I was "so sure" of anything. Besides, perhaps you're an anomaly.

 
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it's my experience with people in general

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Glad to see you bailed on OT. I haven't been near it to almost a year...and I feel great about it!!!

...on a side note, my rating bar showed up today! I was happy to see it wasn't heavy in the red, lol. (probably since I haven't been on OT in almost a year....)



For some reason I had you rated neutral. I swore I had you rated positive considering all the great knowledge and advice you have given here. Not to mention your awesome build thread! So here is another + for you.
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Originally posted by JohnWPB:

Here is a good example, I just did a PFF search, specifying General chat, subject included, for the title of this thread:


That's because the thread wasn't indexed yet. All search indices are updated once a day. So if you do the same search right now, the thread will be found.

BTW, this thread will not be found on Google since google hasn't indexed it yet. Sometimes the googlebot visits once a day, sometimes it takes weeks before its next visit.
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I think old members are just creating new accounts strictly to give ratings and then abandoning their logon and creating new ones.


Well, no. I know - just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

But seriously, think about it. Unless you delete every post you ever made, people will still stumble upon your old posts. And if it's a post that attracted negative ratings back then, chances are it might still attract the odd negative rating now and then.
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Originally posted by dobey:

There are numerous problems with the forum's search feature. It shouldn't require special knowledge on how to use it; if it does, then it needs fixed not to require such knowledge.


Google requires special knowledge as well. In fact, most (if not all) search functions in the PFF search are directly taken from Google. Like phrase searching. Boolean operators. Stemming. Just to name a few.

 
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You only get one link to each thread, regardless of how many matches are in the thread, and they all point to the start of the thread. If a thread is 50 pages long, and the matching post is somewhere in the middle, it can be quite annoying to find, as one must go through every page and then use the browser's page search function to find the same text in the page. Trying to find posts on threads by specific users requires using the "entire thread" classifier, so one has to end up searching through every page as well to find the right content.


This is true and a flaw in how the search results are presented. However, not all threads are 50 pages long and usually searches are a-specific enough for an entire thread to match. The number of matches in a thread counts toward the search ranking. So if you search for "ignition module", the top thread will be the one where "ignition module" is discussed throughout the thread. So a direct link to a single post would be moot anyway.

 
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The default results also don't sort the results as newest first. Instead it sorts by "reference" but it is totally unclear to anyone other than you (since you wrote the code) what that means.


No it's sorted by relevance. Not reference. Like I said, threads with the most hits are listed first. I don't see what's so weird about that.

 
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Some immediate suggestions I would make, would be:

1) Sort results "Newest First" with highest match % and get rid of "by reference"


There's already a link where you can sort the results by date.

 
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2) Get rid of the "Subject/User" and "Entire thread" options, always searching entire thread


Earlier versions only searched through the entire thread. Then a discussion started that people wanted to be able to search through subject only. And later, people voted that by default, it should search by Subject/User. So this is by popular demand.

 
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3) Include direct links to specific posts in thread which matched the search query


I agree that would make sense if you search for something really specific. But usually people don't search a specific post, they search for threads about a specific subject. If I search for CS150, I want threads discussing the CS150 listed first. Not a thread where a single post mentions the CS150.

 
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4) Use "title:" and "user:" tags to specify limiting the search to the thread title or to usernames, where user matches all posts made by that user


But that requires special knowledge on how to use it.

 
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5) Clarify these things in plain documentation on the search page itself, rather than relying on users to intuit how to use the page and guessing wrong


There's a help link on the search page for all to see.
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I would like to add that I agree Google is a way better search engine. But that's like saying that Djokovic is a better tennis player than I am. Of course he is.

But the PFF search can do a few things Google can't. PFF searches threads. Google searches pages. PFF can search specific sections. Google searches the entire site. PFF can search the archives. Google can't. PFF indexes once a day. Google, well, whenever it feels like it.

I use both the PFF search and Google. Sometimes I can't find a thread with the PFF search and Google comes to the rescue. Sometimes it's the other way around. So use whatever you like. It's not like the PFF search is the only way to search the forum.

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The older a well used forum gets , the harder it is to find info by a search .There gets to be such a huge volume of info that unless you can really narrow your search down by being very specific , the results are usually in the thousands .Then it takes forever to wade through all the results .This is a problem with all the forums I use , not just Pennocks . Thats why when somebody asks a question , if I know the answer (happens once in a while) I give it to them . If I don't know , I don't bother telling them to use the search feature . Chances are , they already have .

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

I use both the PFF search and Google. Sometimes I can't find a thread with the PFF search and Google comes to the rescue.
Sometimes it's the other way around. So use whatever you like. It's not like the PFF search is the only way to search the forum.


Agreed. I have no problem with PFF search as it works quite well for me. I guess I know how to use it.
I find Google Search very useful when I want to find a picture or diagram (images) on PFF.

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