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87 gt question by painandgain99
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hey guys XD still havent got my fiero. Tomorrow im going to look at an 87' GT 5 speed, 109k miles. not a spec of rust at all, virtually rust free. For 2000$. It was never driven in the winter at all. He says the radios fuzzy and the windows role slow, and that it has no mechanical problems BUT for the past 4 years, hes only driven it once or twice a year and started it a few times and it needs a tune up. Opinions? does this sound like a good deal?
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My opinion---Yes. Fuzzy radios can easily be replaced with 2000 circa Pontiac radio with CD and equalizer. Prebuilt harness from replacementradios.com and it's plug and play.

Slow windows are common but can be improved upon with a little cleaning of window tracks, replacing switches, cleaning grounding points and there are also some aftermarket power boosters for the windows. Lots of information from the people on here. You may need to replace or rebuild the brake calipers because they tend to stick after prolonged periods of not being used. If it was stored inside or under cover, more better.
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My opinion---Yes. Fuzzy radios can easily be replaced with 2000 circa Pontiac radio with CD and equalizer. Prebuilt harness from replacementradios.com and it's plug and play.

Slow windows are common but can be improved upon with a little cleaning of window tracks, replacing switches, cleaning grounding points and there are also some aftermarket power boosters for the windows. Lots of information from the people on here. You may need to replace or rebuild the brake calipers because they tend to stick after prolonged periods of not being used. If it was stored inside or under cover, more better.


was stored in a garage. Ive heard problems like things calcifying or building up if it doesnt run. what im wanna know is if these are all small things that can easily be fixed.
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Originally posted by painandgain99:

He says the radios fuzzy...


Mold?

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Mold?


Aw, Patrick! You know it's cobwebs in the antenna mast.
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Since the car was started occasionally, the fuel system is probably open enough that you can get a fuel system cleaner flowing through it. Flushing the clutch and brake system to remove old fluid that's likely absorbed water is a must. Replace old coolant. If you don't have a good Haynes Manual, get one, or ask and someone here can guide you through the processes.

Front calipers with phenolic pistons tend to be a problem. Rebuild kits or rebuilt calipers are available, both with metal pistons. At $2000, you could afford to put a little money into the car. Do the mechanical first, then worry about cosmetics. Fortunately, for the 87, most of it's parts are common to all but the 88. Clutch master and slave cylinders should be replaced with Rodney Dickman's units for many years of good service, if you elect to replace them.
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Aw, Patrick! You know it's cobwebs in the antenna mast.


you guys crack me up. But this would be my first car, and in 2 months itd need to be an everyday driver. i need it to run until next summer when i put in a 3800sc B)
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Since the car was started occasionally, the fuel system is probably open enough that you can get a fuel system cleaner flowing through it. Flushing the clutch and brake system to remove old fluid that's likely absorbed water is a must. Replace old coolant. If you don't have a good Haynes Manual, get one, or ask and someone here can guide you through the processes.

Front calipers with phenolic pistons tend to be a problem. Rebuild kits or rebuilt calipers are available, both with metal pistons. At $2000, you could afford to put a little money into the car. Do the mechanical first, then worry about cosmetics. Fortunately, for the 87, most of it's parts are common to all but the 88. Clutch master and slave cylinders should be replaced with Rodney Dickman's units for many years of good service, if you elect to replace them.

Thank you! it seems to have been well maintained so it shouldnt hve any trouble except the fact thats its been siting.

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I know of an 88 with 3800SC and Getrag and Spec 3 clutch in need of paint and headliner. Southern car, so no rust. I don't have a price yet, but if you're interested, I can put you in touch with him. It's cheaper to buy one already swapped than to do the swap. And this one is ready to drive.
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I know of an 88 with 3800SC and Getrag and Spec 3 clutch in need of paint and headliner. Southern car, so no rust. I don't have a price yet, but if you're interested, I can put you in touch with him. It's cheaper to buy one already swapped than to do the swap. And this one is ready to drive.


my price range it 2k and under man, i dont expect it to be that cheap aha. but if it is by any chance id really appreciate the contatct!
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my price range it 2k and under man, i dont expect it to be that cheap aha. !


I expect you're right.
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Going to check it out today. Will look for any rust, in the trunk under carpet, make sure everything works and it shifts into all gears. And that nothing it hanging by a coat hanger underneath XD If all is good, i think im going to buy it
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alright guys i really need some quick help. i wen to see it. its beautiful i really love it. BUT the clutch has some problems, very hard to get into gear, reverse grinded even though the clutch was all the way in. it just feels like theres no clutch. Is this an easy fix? he'll take 1700$ tomorrow i just dont know how serious or expensive OR how difficult this is to fix.
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Try pumping the clutch pedal to see if you can get it into gear. It could be air in the system. A good bleeding might solve it, but it would be a good thing to at least eventually replace the slave with Rodney Dickman's slave. First gear on the Getrag is usually a little difficult. Reverse gear has no synchronizer so it's not uncommon for it to grind a bit. If the clutch doesn't fully disengage due to air in the line, it can make one heck of a noise.
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Sounds like the throw out bearing isn't engaging the pressure plate correctly. It may need a new clutch. Not sure how simple it is to replace since I've never replaced one.
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It may need a new clutch. Not sure how simple it is to replace...


Oh, it's about a half hour job.

I guarantee that the OP does not want to be replacing a clutch right off the bat.

If it's just a hydraulic problem (and/or a bent clutch pedal), fine... but avoid this car if the tranny needs to come out.

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Oh, it's about a half hour job.

I guarantee that the OP does not want to be replacing a clutch right off the bat.

If it's just a hydraulic problem (and/or a bent clutch pedal), fine... but avoid this car if the tranny needs to come out.



How would i know? This car is so clean and beautiful its like brand new. Not a speck of rust. If its an easy fix i really want it and then i have two months to fix it
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How would i know?


Sometimes it's a tough call even when looking at something in person. I'm sure not going to making a call on this from 2000 miles away.

You were given some advice about pumping the clutch pedal to see if it makes any difference with disengaging the clutch. I would say if you are in any doubt as to why the clutch does not disengage properly... don't buy it. You'll be cursing the day you ever heard of a Fiero if you need to pull the tranny right after you buy it.

Anyone with limited (or no) experience with working on a Fiero needs to buy their first one that's driveable, and then get to learn about them slowly. Don't jump in the deep end right from the start, or you'll regret it big time.
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Sometimes it's a tough call even when looking at something in person. I'm sure not going to making a call on this from 2000 miles away.

You were given some advice about pumping the clutch pedal to see if it makes any difference with disengaging the clutch. I would say if you are in any doubt as to why the clutch does not disengage properly... don't buy it. You'll be cursing the day you ever heard of a Fiero if you need to pull the tranny right after you buy it.

Anyone with limited (or no) experience with working on a Fiero needs to buy their first one that's driveable, and then get to learn about them slowly. Don't jump in the deep end right from the start, or you'll regret it big time.



Thank you, i think ill pass on it. I might go check out a civic hatchback tomorrow, unless my friends up in penticton can give some better advice 😉😉 just kidding
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I might go check out a civic hatchback tomorrow...


Well, let's not do anything rash...

 
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...unless my friends up in penticton


Ah.... Penticton! I have fond memories of that place as a summer destination with my big-block Chevy back in the mid-70's. Yeah, I'm old.
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At 109K miles, the clutch almost certainly needs replaced, if it hasn't been in the last 30K or so.

If the clutch is new, then it's more likely just a hydraulic problem. More than likely though, it was probably both.
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At 109K miles, the clutch almost certainly needs replaced, if it hasn't been in the last 30K or so.

If the clutch is new, then it's more likely just a hydraulic problem. More than likely though, it was probably both.


Me and my dad decided we're buying it, picking it up tomorrow. Then im going to find a mechanic to see what it is, im getting it for 1500$ so im going to get all new fluids going through it, brakes, winter tires and see whatsup with the clutch
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Me and my dad decided we're buying it...


We knew you would. No pain, no gain, right?

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We knew you would. No pain, no gain, right?



I couldnt resist 😊😊
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