just daydreaming and thinking , what if the fiero never got cancelled and was in production straight through to the end of pontiac like the firebird, what would it look like? maybe like a sunbird or a mini firebird or some boring cookie cutter car or maybe something really radical like a small bat mobile?
One of the main reasons that I purchased a Fiero is for what I feel is timeless styling that doesn't commit too heavily to the 80's time period. The design is also somewhat aerodynamic, the body panels are rustproof and the car is easy to customize. IMO, a set of modern 17" or 18" wheels seems to make a big difference. If the Fiero existed today I envision a design like a reissued Mustang, Camaro or Challenger where they took the original styling and added smoother curves to the body.
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Geez TXOPIE every time I see that car I fall in love with it all over (maybe expect the pink). red or black is perfect. The lines are perfect in my opinion.
That is a beautiful car, TXOPIE--except for the color. That would be great if the Fiero came out like that. An alternate would be the one that is on the cover of the FOCUS magazine.
Man that is a great looking car. I can see that being "todays" fiero. I am in agreement with the above statement of the 89-90 model, not a fan, and I agree with the styling being timeless. but barbie would do it. wonder how much that would be if produced today. another thing is the interior, my kids are constantly making fun of the boxy dash and how I like them (I also like 1980 malibu's another squared off interior). todays fiero I imagine would have something like a G6 interior and a nav system.
Why is it that every time these threads come up, so many people seem to agree that a Fiero produced today would look the same as the Corvette being produced today, with a photoshopped mash-up of a Fiero and a Vette?
Even the XLR didn't really look like a Corvette, even though it literally was a Corvette chassis with a different body and driveline. Pontiac was well into its transformation into mediocrity at the time of its closure. The racing heritage it created from the late 50s through the 70s had been long gone for quite a while at that point.
Why is it that every time these threads come up, so many people seem to agree that a Fiero produced today would look the same as the Corvette being produced today, with a photoshopped mash-up of a Fiero and a Vette?
Even the XLR didn't really look like a Corvette, even though it literally was a Corvette chassis with a different body and driveline. Pontiac was well into its transformation into mediocrity at the time of its closure. The racing heritage it created from the late 50s through the 70s had been long gone for quite a while at that point.
IT WOULD NOT LOOK like a corvette. The scumbag cry babies at chevy would see to that!
Saturn Sky / Pontiac Solstice but mid engined hopefully. Though they arent around now either...
Quite. Apparently me liking a two-seat American sports car enough to buy one is a certain kiss of death for the car and brand. So he says with a Sky Redline and Fiero GT in his garage.
IT WOULD NOT LOOK like a corvette. The scumbag cry babies at chevy would see to that!
I know this. But why does everyone keep photoshopping Corvettes to look a bit like a Fiero, or photoshop Vette stuff onto a Fiero, and say "this is what it would look like" whenever this topic comes up? Because that's exactly what happens.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Well... a commuter car.....
Well, the Spark is a death trap, so at least it's like a Fiero in the eyes of the public, in that respect.
They are too small, but at least not as small as the Fiat. I was given one as a rental this past weekend, and I hated pretty much everything about that car. It could barely get out of its own way, the trans felt extra slippy, and it felt very light on the road, like it had a bit of lift. Plus the fuel economy was not that great for being so small and a hatch.
I got ahold of a new car magazine not long ago that had an article saying Cadillac is working on a mid engine design car. The new later model caddys are getting sportier and sportier. Whatever they come up with will probably be revisited as the "new fiero." It would be great for gm to pick the baton back up once again where they left off. Even if it is branded as a Cadillac. Would be interesting though to see them incorporate some fiero characteristics.
I got ahold of a new car magazine not long ago that had an article saying Cadillac is working on a mid engine design car. The new later model caddys are getting sportier and sportier. Whatever they come up with will probably be revisited as the "new fiero." It would be great for gm to pick the baton back up once again where they left off. Even if it is branded as a Cadillac. Would be interesting though to see them incorporate some fiero characteristics.
Nope. It'll be a new XLR. If Cadillac is playing around with a mid-engine platform, it's almost certainly going to be the same platform as the C8 Vette. I'd expect a Vette with a Cadillac body, and probably the twin turbo V6, or maybe they'll finally build a new V8 based on the High Feature V6 platform.
I meant when more people hear about it they will think of the fiero... mid engine.. I believe Cadillac already has already copied the new vette with the caddy like featuring of other recent models. Either way it would be impressive. I hope it makes production. Who knows you might be able to pick one up for a cool 70 g's after it is born.
I meant when more people hear about it they will think of the fiero... mid engine.. I believe Cadillac already has already copied the new vette with the caddy like featuring of other recent models. Either way it would be impressive. I hope it makes production. Who knows you might be able to pick one up for a cool 70 g's after it is born.
I doubt it. Expected price for the C8 is going to be in the 150K range. Expect the Caddy to be probably 20-30K more than the Vette. It is nothing at all like the Fiero ever was. The C8 is going to be a be on par with performance of the 918 and P1, for about 1/10 the price. Think more like 700+ HP and AWD hybrid.
It will be nowhere near the commuter car status of the Fiero.
Originally posted by lorennerol: The Gen 2 prototype I thought looked blah- like a Ford Probe.
I think part of the problem with 89/90 prototype, is that people tend to assume that the production car would have looked exactly like it. That's a fairly false assumption to make, though a production car would have looked similar.
Remember the C7 concept car? Or the Gen 5 Camaro concept car? Chevy SS concept? Chevy Volt?
A production 90 Fiero would have looked similar to the prototype, but I would expect some changes to probably have been made before it hit dealerships. Also, the 4th Gen F-bodies probably would look totally different if the Fiero would have been produced in a 2nd generation, rather than being killed off.
Originally posted by dobey: I think part of the problem with 89/90 prototype, is that people tend to assume that the production car would have looked exactly like it. That's a fairly false assumption to make, though a production car would have looked similar. .
True. I liked it except the headlights and the lack of (IMO) significant interior changes.
Originally posted by lorennerol: There is a certain balance of curves and edges that really appeals to me. The Saturn Sky, yes. The Pontiac Solstice, no. Fiero, yes. Probe, no.
I'm with you there. Though I dont see the probe in the 89/90. I more see a 93 Camaro Fbird.
Originally posted by 2.5: I'm with you there. Though I dont see the probe in the 89/90. I more see a 93 Camaro Fbird.
Exactly because your view of the prototype is tainted by the history that wouldn't have happened were the Fiero continued through to production in the 90s.
It looks like the F-body, because the F-body design was changed to look like the Fiero after it was scrapped. Had the Fiero not been scrapped, the F-body would probably look completely different, and nobody would say the Fiero and F-body cars look alike.
Even if a Gen 2 Fiero made it into production, I'm pretty certain GM would have screwed it up/killed it by now.
They did the same thing with the Kappa platform (Sky, Solstice, Opel GT, Daewoo whateveritwascalled): The Gen 2, to be built alongside the Corvette in Bowling Green, was on the board, and then they scrapped it. Some will say the recession caused this, but I didn't notice Mazda killing the Miata/MX-5 during the recession. Even a Gen 1 Kappa with an interior upgrade option (which is where most of my complaints with the car lie) would have been amazing.
Originally posted by lorennerol: Even if a Gen 2 Fiero made it into production, I'm pretty certain GM would have screwed it up/killed it by now.
They did the same thing with the Kappa platform (Sky, Solstice, Opel GT, Daewoo whateveritwascalled): The Gen 2, to be built alongside the Corvette in Bowling Green, was on the board, and then they scrapped it. Some will say the recession caused this, but I didn't notice Mazda killing the Miata/MX-5 during the recession. Even a Gen 1 Kappa with an interior upgrade option (which is where most of my complaints with the car lie) would have been amazing.
I'm pretty sure Mazda wasn't filing bankruptcy and looking for government bailout at the time, either. With Pontiac and Saturn both laid bare on the examining table, and almost certainly going to get chopped off to end the gangrene, there's no way the Kappa platform would have continued. The Opel and Daewoo versions were just rebadged Saturn Sky models for foreign markets, with the only change literally being the badging. Kappa sales were also trailing off in the later years, just like the Fiero's were.
It looks like the F-body, because the F-body design was changed to look like the Fiero after it was scrapped. Had the Fiero not been scrapped, the F-body would probably look completely different, and nobody would say the Fiero and F-body cars look alike..
I guess it sounds like you mean the Fbird / Camaro is injected with Fiero Dna, my view really wouldnt change that
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Originally posted by 2.5: I guess it sounds like you mean the Fbird / Camaro is injected with Fiero Dna, my view really wouldnt change that
It is. But this fact is true, because the Fiero was cancelled prior to 2nd gen hitting market. Had it gone to production, the 4th gen F-bodies would almost certainly not have looked like the Fiero.
I presume you also only ever saw the prototype Fiero after the 4th gen F-bodies had been out for some time?
It's not about what your view would or wouldn't change (because how you view it, isn't going to change what actually happened at this point), but broadening your view of what may have happened, had the past worked out differently. Because that's what this thread is about. "What would the FIero be like to today, if it wasn't killed."
My point was that it would look exactly like a Fiero, and nothing at all like a Corvette or F-body.
It is. But this fact is true, because the Fiero was cancelled prior to 2nd gen hitting market. Had it gone to production, the 4th gen F-bodies would almost certainly not have looked like the Fiero.
I presume you also only ever saw the prototype Fiero after the 4th gen F-bodies had been out for some time?
It's not about what your view would or wouldn't change (because how you view it, isn't going to change what actually happened at this point), but broadening your view of what may have happened, had the past worked out differently. Because that's what this thread is about. "What would the FIero be like to today, if it wasn't killed."
My point was that it would look exactly like a Fiero, and nothing at all like a Corvette or F-body.
Good point. I was pretty much just comparing notes with lorennerol as to what the 89/90 prototype looks like though. Outside of the realm of if Fiero continued or not. But anyway NBD Though even the F bodies around the same time as Fieros were, had alot in common to me, looks wise.
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