These are clearly for profit. Determined to be illegal. Put in by a third party. Each intersection where they were installed had the yellow light time reduced by 2 seconds. This renders the intersection unsafe.
If you go to court, they say well, not moving violation, only $100. If want to contest, have to pay to go to next court. Corrupt system is designed to make the innocent pay. Prosecutors are not allowed to do anything with these. There is no innocent until proven guilty.
Now, anyone here with a red light camera ticket can get 20% of their fine back. What?!
Originally posted by Raydar: .....Check out the specs for the newest Uniden scanners. CoolBlue can probably elaborate since he sells them. The ones that are labeled APCO P25 Phase 1 and 2 are the ones that will decode all the newest systems, as far as I can tell.
First video I do a quick demo on HomePatrol and answer question about scanners legal in cars. (in my area)
This second video is one I made for work awhile back, you all might find it funny.
First video I do a quick demo on HomePatrol and answer question about scanners legal in cars. (in my area)
This second video is one I made for work awhile back, you all might find it funny.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting those.
I've been reading about the Uniden BCD436HP According to what I've been able to find, this (along with the 536HP) will decode "Project 25, Phase 2" digital traffic that others will not. (This is from online comments. Not just manufacturers' specs.)
Can you comment (or expand) on this? I don't want to spend a bunch of money on a scanner, only to find that the locals have newer technology than I can receive.
Thanks!
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What about the officer that helped pull a 5yr old boy from a car that was ablaze for 27 min(yes he lost his life)..who do you think helps clean this up? That same officer had to return home later that evening to his own 5yr old son w/ out losing his mind. You see sir, that these type of things can happen on a daily basis....So...Tomorrow when you see a patrolman or patrolwoman,just know in your mind that they would still put themselves in the line of fire to save your life ... sir!!!..Now with all due respect to you? Have a nice day!!
Not that I want that to happen, but we more stories like this. Or the officer who had the kid pressing buttons in the squad car. More stories & memories of officers being humans & treating others like humans.
It works both ways. The person whose life the COP saved today may be the same person who is a character witness for a COP or sits on a jury later on.
I hate bullies in or out of uniform, in any profession. I have respect for the job the COPs do. Sometimes there is no good solution, but any implementation of the job that involves an abuse of power rubs me the wrong way.
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Originally posted by Raydar: Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting those.
I've been reading about the Uniden BCD436HP According to what I've been able to find, this (along with the 536HP) will decode "Project 25, Phase 2" digital traffic that others will not. (This is from online comments. Not just manufacturers' specs.)
Can you comment (or expand) on this? I don't want to spend a bunch of money on a scanner, only to find that the locals have newer technology than I can receive.
Thanks!
At first glance, that Uniden BCD436HP scanner looks good, I read some of the 513 comments, some are finding it hard to program / operate, others complain you can't charge batteries inside the radio. - I find that hard to beleve, but more than one complained about that. Looks like it's been around since 2010. I suggest you take a look at the comment to get a feel of the radio.
Does have a feature I like, "Radio System Analysis and Discover Modes" The HomePatrol has this feature, but you have to pay $50 to unlock it.
Overall, I still like the HomePatrol, both use the same computer software "Sentinel" for updating database / firmware.
The specs on the HomePatrol-1 Trunk Tracking Motorola Type I 800 Motorola Type II 800, 900, UHF, VHF EDACS Wide, Narrow LTR APCO P25 The specs on the HomePatrol-2 APCO-25 Phase I & II Digital, Analog, EDACS, LTR non encrypted Channels
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Just saying, but why do you need to scan? What importance in listening in? If they want your input, they'll provide you a radio. I wouldn't want the average person listening in to my professional conversations.
A camera recording anything around your car is a good idea. This helps keep COPs and thieves honest. After someone hits you and gets the COP to believe their story, you can play the video and prove them wrong. Unfortunately, these liars never get it for lying, and the COPs don't actually tell you that they bought the thief's story--you find out on a report 15 days later, too late to do anything about it. Just remember that criminals have a glib tongue and a prepared story that has probably worked before.
I have no radar detector, police scanner, or anything else of the sort. Heck, I rarely use the car radio. If I'm speeding, I made a choice. Personally, I think anyone with a radar detector should be given a ticket for speeding--and for having a radar detector. 2 people are driving down a 60MPH highway. One going 60, the other 75. The speeder has a radar detector, and slows down to 55 when the alarm sounds. Toe 60MPH driver is pulled over and given a ticket for 75 because the COP sees a speed and a faster car.
Originally posted by tshark: Just saying, but why do you need to scan? What importance in listening in? .
Okay, I'll try to take a stab at that question. I was a firefighter, was immersed into the world of Police & Fire radio transmissions. The years that I was active, the information heard over the scanners and pagers kept us updated on what was going on in our county. When a call went out for a nearby station, we were able to use that information to find out if our station would be required to respond with a second alarm. To us, it was / is interesting.
It maybe hard to understand for those not in firefighting. An example that may make sense, if you ever flipped to a news channel that was reporting on an emergency, most people would be glued to the tv wanting to find out what was happening.
Firefighters I would expect to be issued the proper radios for business-related purposes. I have keys and logons for many places, but this doesn't give me permission to misuse these for personl purposes.
I thought about this carefully. A police officer is expected to protect and defend. It's part of the job. Firefighters are expected to fight fires; plumbers to do plumbing, electricians to do wiring, soldiers fight, etc. When someone takes a job, they are agreeing to both the good and bad aspects of that job. If they only do the fun parts, they're not doing their job. I often have undesirable parts of me job, the same as everyone else. I can't just not do that part. If someone is burning to death in a car, the human thing to do is to try to rescue them. This is expected of emergency workers, but is nice when the average person does the rescue. In most cases, emergency workers arrive in time for cleanup. They can't be everywhere. Usually, the average person does what needs to be done. Take Paul Walker's wreck, for example.
Doing one's job doesn't make someone a hero. It's what is expected. In my job, I may have a day where I'm sitting around watching a movie and kicking back, or a day where I bust my butt and work for 36 or more hours straight. It's part of the job.
I've always wondered who someone with "zero respect for cops" calls at 3 in the morning when someone is trying to kick their front door in.... yeah -yeah- yeah you're armed to the teeth and will take care of the problem yourself. Fat chance.
Just saying, but why do you need to scan? What importance in listening in?
As I mentioned before, I fixed public safety radios for years. I also fixed pagers and car telephones before that. I work with the power company now, and am still involved with the people and the technology. I find the technology fascinating, more than anything. I find the public safety network, all inclusive, fascinating. Both for different reasons.
There is a lot of stuff out there, besides cop radios. There are studio-transmitter links (aka STLs.) There are traffic copter links. There are aircraft links. There is an entire world out there. And it's all connected by radio.
It's a "geek" thing. I used to listen to radio traffic, and have fun diagnosing communications system "problems" that I would hear, over the air. I once figured out that the pagers that my (former) employer were leasing were (randomly) not working because the tones that were being broadcast by the terminal, that were supposed to activate the pagers, were (randomly) off frequency.
I once surprised the wife of one of our customers. Apparently, this particular customer was "getting a little on the side". His wife found out about the "side", and was calling up his voice pager and giving him hell. Called him everything but a child of God. She was hanging up and calling back as quickly as she could redial. Unfortunately, all of those obscenities were being transmitted over a radio channel that WE were responsible for. I was a bit concerned that she might cause us to be cited by the FCC. I reasoned that the incoming telephone trunk lines (to our paging terminal) were accessed randomly from the telephone Central Office. It was only a matter of time before she hit any particular trunk line. I clipped my telephone "butt-in" (a telephone test set) across one of the trunks, and waited. It wasn't long before she hit the one where I was clipped on... "You mutha..." <CLICK!> "Lady... These lines are monitored." She didn't call back after that.
So yeah... technology is fun. Radio is just a part of it.
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The butt sets are cool. Lots of fun. Of course, there are faster/easier ways to pick her up. Your approach was probably nicer than mine would have been.
Are you a ham?
Anyway, there are all sorts of things for radio that you can get into...that are way off topic.
The butt sets are cool. Lots of fun. Of course, there are faster/easier ways to pick her up. Your approach was probably nicer than mine would have been.
Are you a ham?
Anyway, there are all sorts of things for radio that you can get into...that are way off topic.
Faster/easier? I stopped her within about 15 minutes of hearing her first tirade. (I still laugh about that. She was probably like, "Damn! A talking beeper talked back to me!" )
No. Not a ham. Never had the inclination badly enough to run with it. Got my fill of two-way, messing with CB radio (long before Smokey and the Bandit.) I do possess a General class radiotelephone license. Grandfathered from a 2nd. I also had a NABER certificate, that I allowed to lapse. Pretty much useless. Would have liked to have gotten into broadcast or earth station stuff, but, oh well. I understand that broadcast is pretty much a dying art now, anyway.
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Well the problem is not with the police then. I would suggest that you consider doing some volunteer work and get to know your community. ....
As for the camera in a box, I am a big fan of the stop light cameras. In the early 1990s you literally had to wait 6 seconds after the light turned green in Toledo to avoid some idiot in a beater blasting through a red light. The cameras brought that to an end. The Ohio Supreme Court thankfully recently ruled that such cameras are legal. The rules are pretty simple out there and If people did what they know they are supposed to do we would not need all those people in badges and uniforms to enforce them.
I agree running lights is a problem, but this implementation is ridiculous. In some places, if you pull to the white line & stop, you get a ticket. All the signals here where the red light cameras were installed had the yellow light time reduced to make it impossible to stop in time for the red light from the speed limit. The object became to cause people to run the light to bolster tickets & revenue, therefore making the intersection less safe--not to catch people running the rights. The bright flash of light is also blinding to drivers, and causes additional safety issues. Most areas here have turned off the lights and are issuing [partial] refunds. In many cases, the officer who signed these tickets should be fired and fined $500 per ticket.
Also, in St. Peters, the cameras caught the police running the red lights 9 times for every one citizen. EVERY SINGLE TIME, the citizen was ticketed & fined. Not once for the police. Mostly, the COP was off duty, in their personal car, or had no particular thing to do. Often, the menace COP was completely out of his juristiction.
Don't tell me about safety and red light cameras. If anything, they have made things far less safe. Yet another case where the police break more laws more often than anyone else. Those tickets do nothing for the people who've suffered because of the dangers these lights bring.
Meanwhile, I've been rear-ended for not running a red light. The guy who hit me claimed I was obstructing traffic. In one case, in a 35MPH zone, I was rear-ended hard enough that my stopped Bonneville was knocked across the intersection. I got nailed for knocking over the traffic signal, and the other guy was told by the COP to ”stop doing this”. The guy had to have been speeding, probably double the limit. The trunk & rear seats of my bonneville were demolished. The same cameras that they claim are ”evidence” against you are often doctored, but apparently not evidence enough to use against the people who do hit-and runs. Why? Not revenue for the COPs. It's strictly for insurance claims.
Again, take the revenue aspect away, and the system will become more just. The money from tickets should go to a charity. Courts also shouldn't be able to collect fees. The police ”confiscate” money, goods, property, whatever. This is a euphamism meaning they appropriate for themselves. If we did it, it would be called stealing. Cars in impound lots they consider theirs to use. Until these things are fixed, the process is a racket to benefit themselves. We already pay for all these things. They need to learn to be more productive & efficient. They can start by limiting police cars. Bicycles could be used. No more parking on the side of the road sleeping with the motor running. No more doughnut runs with the car running for an hour or more in the parking lot, unattended. Idling is illegal here, but just another law the police break. If a COP it not moving and doesn't have an active stop, why is his car stopped? If he can be stopped for more than a traffic light, why are we taxpayers paying for him to have that expensive car? He can stop on foot. That'd keep him out of trouble. If the officers don't feel safe out of their car, they ovbiously aren't doing their job. Without their car, they wouldn't need all that expensive equipment. They could rely more on their radio and their head. Also, the roads would be much safer. Many COPs aren't safe drivers. Yet they get big, powerful, fast new vehicles. Whenever there's rain, snow, whatever, it isn't the taxi drivers who can't control their vehicles.
As long as the police are allowed to be above the law, they will be seen as synonymous with law breakers and abusers. In short, entitled criminals.
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Sorry about my previous comment, I understand it was illogical thinking on my part, I know the sacrifices Police Officers make. Just nothing but bad experiences on my end.
I agree running lights is a problem, but this implementation is ridiculous. In some places, if you pull to the white line & stop, you get a ticket. All the signals here where the red light cameras were installed had the yellow light time reduced to make it impossible to stop in time for the red light from the speed limit. The object became to cause people to run the light to bolster tickets & revenue, therefore making the intersection less safe--not to catch people running the rights. The bright flash of light is also blinding to drivers, and causes additional safety issues. Most areas here have turned off the lights and are issuing [partial] refunds. In many cases, the officer who signed these tickets should be fired and fined $500 per ticket.
Also, in St. Peters, the cameras caught the police running the red lights 9 times for every one citizen. EVERY SINGLE TIME, the citizen was ticketed & fined. Not once for the police. Mostly, the COP was off duty, in their personal car, or had no particular thing to do. Often, the menace COP was completely out of his juristiction.
Don't tell me about safety and red light cameras. If anything, they have made things far less safe. Yet another case where the police break more laws more often than anyone else. Those tickets do nothing for the people who've suffered because of the dangers these lights bring.
Meanwhile, I've been rear-ended for not running a red light. The guy who hit me claimed I was obstructing traffic. In one case, in a 35MPH zone, I was rear-ended hard enough that my stopped Bonneville was knocked across the intersection. I got nailed for knocking over the traffic signal, and the other guy was told by the COP to ”stop doing this”. The guy had to have been speeding, probably double the limit. The trunk & rear seats of my bonneville were demolished. The same cameras that they claim are ”evidence” against you are often doctored, but apparently not evidence enough to use against the people who do hit-and runs. Why? Not revenue for the COPs. It's strictly for insurance claims.
Again, take the revenue aspect away, and the system will become more just. The money from tickets should go to a charity. Courts also shouldn't be able to collect fees. The police ”confiscate” money, goods, property, whatever. This is a euphamism meaning they appropriate for themselves. If we did it, it would be called stealing. Cars in impound lots they consider theirs to use. Until these things are fixed, the process is a racket to benefit themselves. We already pay for all these things. They need to learn to be more productive & efficient. They can start by limiting police cars. Bicycles could be used. No more parking on the side of the road sleeping with the motor running. No more doughnut runs with the car running for an hour or more in the parking lot, unattended. Idling is illegal here, but just another law the police break. If a COP it not moving and doesn't have an active stop, why is his car stopped? If he can be stopped for more than a traffic light, why are we taxpayers paying for him to have that expensive car? He can stop on foot. That'd keep him out of trouble. If the officers don't feel safe out of their car, they ovbiously aren't doing their job. Without their car, they wouldn't need all that expensive equipment. They could rely more on their radio and their head. Also, the roads would be much safer. Many COPs aren't safe drivers. Yet they get big, powerful, fast new vehicles. Whenever there's rain, snow, whatever, it isn't the taxi drivers who can't control their vehicles.
As long as the police are allowed to be above the law, they will be seen as synonymous with law breakers and abusers. In short, entitled criminals.
Your above post is the best argument why teaching civics needs to become a priority for our educational system. In this ever prevalent narcissistic view it is interesting that most people claim to know what their rights are but yet completely fail to comprehend or accept the simple maxim that their rights end where someone else's begin ..........
Ah. Schools teach valueless things. Not civics, true history, or thinking skills. People can get a college degree, and know nothing of their country, its laws, or reading above a 4th-grade level.
My daughter finished preschool with some reading ability; the ability to count to 100 orally and written; famliarity with year, month, day, season, weekday; and some knowledge of the country. She started Kindergarten. What has been taught, thus far? Mexico. How GREAT Mexico is. Those other skills are not worked on. This semester, they're teaching about Africa. Who cares about those places? They're failures. Disasters. Why does my daughter know the Mexican national anthem, the Mexican flag, the Mexican president's name, etc, but not the same for the US? The one thing taught about the US was how horrible the US is to other countries, and how the US ”caused” the problems other countries have.
Children are taught to report their parents for what are basically disagreements.
This has become a society about self. Meanwhile, some live in their own world and refuse to see/believe reality. They believe that these things won't/can't happen to them...until there is no one left to defend them. Some call it rationalizing; others call it stupidity.
...most people claim to know what their rights are but yet completely fail to comprehend or accept the simple maxim that their rights end where someone else's begin ..........
That's true. And although I've heard it before, it's still almost profound in its simplicity. Edit - And correctness.
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Here, there are red AND blue lights. The cops here cant drive...they wreck at least one cruiser every day or two. Their garage has at least 50 back up replacement cars at any time. A few weeks ago, they not only wrecked...but totalled 6 in 3 days. One accident totalled 3 cruisers who all rear ended each other on a residential street. Another was rolled on a downtown side street when it ran a red light.
I will note that many of the ”officers” in the sherrif's dept have prior criminal records, and aren't supposed to carry a gun. Obviously these are appointments by favor, but it really makes understanding the racket easier.
Don't know how this turned into an O/T diatribe against the cops?
They have a tough job and I respect that fact. However, there is a preponderance of evidence that demonstrates that too many cops are intoxicated with power and will abuse it if/when given the opportunity. The whole idea of law enforcement tends to attract a type of individual that is susceptible to being corrupted. I'm not saying all cops are corrupt, but probably a higher percentage than in most jobs.
And a lot of the issues come from the training and policies of the department. The shoot first and ask questions later aspect is part of the training. They will take down and TASER a 70 year old man because that's what they are trained to do. All they have to say is they were afraid for their personal safety and all is good.
COPs can and do pull people over. I just ask for some professionalism. Treat me like a human, provided I act like one. Also, no favorites, exemptions, or fall guys. If they are enforcing the law, they should be subject to it. It's either a law, or it isn't. Laws are equal for all. Stop measuring results by quantity of tickets. Crime keeps going up, yet the police are doing a ”good job”?!
The COPs don't have it all their way. Perhaps after a time, their objectivity goes away. Some people that worked with me lost their way. Abuse of power is bad.
I will note that many of the ”officers” in the sherrif's dept have prior criminal records, and aren't supposed to carry a gun. Obviously these are appointments by favor, but it really makes understanding the racket easier.
the hiring process is done on a state level and this is not likely to happen. to become and officer in the state of Missouri an extensive back ground check is conducted
In my 50+ years of driving and being stopped by cops (occasionally), I have never had a negative experience. If you have a negative experience, I suspect you have a negative attitude which the cops pick up and give it right back. When you get stopped, turn the ignition off, roll down the windows and keep you hands on the steering wheel.
I don't feel like smiling and being all friendly when I know that I'm going to get dumped on. I don't try to go all negative either, but it's possible it shows. I always do the standard window rolled down, hands on the wheel, no fast moves and wait for instructions from the cop.
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Apparently, this particular customer was "getting a little on the side". 
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