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Passive Keyless Entry/Push Button Start advice by Fiervette
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Report this Post11-17-2014 01:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FiervetteClick Here to Email FiervetteSend a Private Message to FiervetteEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I want to put Passive Keyless Entry (PKE) and push button start (PBS) on my LS1 Fiero. I am looking for recommendations of what system to buy. I have done a search and can't find anything posted on this forum in the last 4 years. Since this technology is rapidly evolving, the systems discussed in these older posts are now discontinued. I have looked and see cheap Ebay Chinese systems start about $120. Much more appealing looking systems cost up to $700 or $800. I am probably looking to spend in the $350 range. I will disable the steering lock and use the security features of the PASSKEY system built into my OBD-II PCM, in addition to the security features and alarm of the PKE/PBS system.

Does anyone have any recent experience with one of these systems? It doesn't have to be a Fiero. In fact, use on anything early LS or 3800 equipped might be more relevant to me.

Any advice other than "DON'T DO IT, your car will be stolen" is welcome. If somebody really wants your car and has a tow vehicle, you can't stop them.
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Report this Post11-17-2014 01:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for seajaiSend a Private Message to seajaiEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
http://www.advancedkeys.com/

I have AK-104B system installed on my car since March of 2012 and haven't had any problems with it. I would highly recommend it.
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Report this Post11-20-2014 09:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for NeoNotSend a Private Message to NeoNotEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
IMHO it is hard to beat a Viper system.
For the price you are listing you could get a complete security system plus remote start and auto doors, installed at my local audio stores.

Most of the keyless entry systems around here include remote start and run $150 installed.
Check with your local car audio store and see what they offer and if they have a special running on them right now.
With winter approaching this is one of the times these systems go on sale around here.
Our local shops will run a buy a remote start system and get a free install, etc.....
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Report this Post11-20-2014 09:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TXOPIEClick Here to visit TXOPIE's HomePageClick Here to Email TXOPIESend a Private Message to TXOPIEEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I personally have these installed in 2 of my Fieros.
It works great and has more features than you can shake a stick at:

http://www.innovativeigniti...m/#!gsm-31-rfid/cw16
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Report this Post11-21-2014 07:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KentsOkayClick Here to Email KentsOkaySend a Private Message to KentsOkayEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I work for a major electronics seller that rhymes with Rest Rye, installing car audio and convenience systems. I would strongly recommend a professionally installed Viper/DEI system. I get people in with fleabay remote starts they haphazardly cobbled together with t taps and duct tape, asking for me to "just take a look, I installed it correctly but I think there is a loose wire!". Don't be that guy. A system that does what you want will be more than previously stated, but a lifetime warranty good throughout the US is worth it in my opinion.

That's my two cents.

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Report this Post11-21-2014 11:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FiervetteClick Here to Email FiervetteSend a Private Message to FiervetteEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I appreciate the advice everyone has given.

I have been looking at the both the Innovative Ignitions and the Advanced Keys systems. They are about the same price for a non-GSM connected system. Innovative Ignitions has the GPS/GSM Bluetooth systems, but I don't know if I want to pay extra for those. I don't think that I want to track my car and it is a stick so I can't start it remotely. The Bluetooth sounds cool, but I often lock my phone in the car, so that defeats the purpose.

Although there have been 2 recommendations for Viper, I don't see that they offer a system with the features I am looking for. My car already has an aftermarket Keyless entry. I am not looking for remote start. My car is manual, and I would not be able to use that feature anyway. I am not especially concerned about a security system, although all of the recommended system have one. I am looking for PASSIVE keyless entry (just approach the car) and (KEYLESS) push button start. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I can't find a Viper system with either of those features. If there is one, a specific model recommendation would be helpful. If Viper does have a system with those features, I would definitely consider it because that company is much better established and has an excellent reputation. They just don't seem to have what I am seeking.

I do also appreciate the professional advice, but I will install this myself. My car has been custom wired by ME when I installed the LS1 V8 engine. I have cheat sheets on how I wired it, but I don't plan on making a full schematic that would be needed by an installer. I don't want to put some technician in that position of guessing how it currently works.

I am leaning toward the Innovative Ignitions PKE-100-U.

I do have another question, how/where did you mount the start switch?
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Report this Post11-22-2014 12:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for seajaiSend a Private Message to seajaiEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I mounted my start button in the center console by the radio before my dash swap



And after my dash swap:

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Report this Post11-24-2014 03:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KentsOkayClick Here to Email KentsOkaySend a Private Message to KentsOkayEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Didn't know how much work you had into the car, with that in mind definitely do it yourself haha. Here's the passive entry module: 2102T http://www.amazon.com/Direc...ansmit/dp/B0096DLZLK
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Report this Post11-24-2014 03:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KentsOkayClick Here to Email KentsOkaySend a Private Message to KentsOkayEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you want remote start as well? If not, all you need should be in that kit, then some relays and switches for your PTS.

http://www.manualslib.com/m...cs-2102t.html#manual

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Check out the " digital guard dog" it is made for harley motorcycles but should be simple to wire into a car.
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Originally posted by seajai:
I have AK-104B system installed on my car since March of 2012 and haven't had any problems with it. I would highly recommend it.


Where in the Fiero did you position the antennas for this system?
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Report this Post12-08-2014 10:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TaijiguyClick Here to Email TaijiguySend a Private Message to TaijiguyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm going to install this one after I finish my swap, as part of the dash build-

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0...oliid=I309BMSSS3EO09

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I made a custom start button at http://www.autoloc.com/products/buttonbuilder/

22mm button and Glows "Fiero" when the car is turned on.

They have the "Fiero" on file now for future orders:


I placed it where it belongs...replacing the key core:
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Where in the Fiero did you position the antennas for this system?


One is in the left upper corner of the rear window and the other is in the left lower corner of the windshield. The bypass antenna is just above the VIN number plate. You can PM me if you have more questions.
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I made a custom start button at http://www.autoloc.com/products/buttonbuilder/

22mm button and Glows "Fiero" when the car is turned on.

They have the "Fiero" on file now for future orders:


I placed it where it belongs...replacing the key core:


Just curious, what did you do to handle all the other functions of the ignition switch?
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The system from Innovative Ignitions handles them.
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Ah, I gotcha, that post slipped by me. So you replaced their pushbutton with the one you showed. Nicely done.

I'm building a custom dash anyway, so I'll end up blanking and smoothing the key area on the column when I do mine.
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