Hi guys and gals, new guy here asking for help. After retireing last August I bought me a project car, an 85 Fiero GT in need of much repair. After may long hours and much research I think I have gotten most of it under control. One major hurdle is with the horn. The horn did not work and I thought it would be a simple fix but I have found that I am not getting power to the relay or horn itself I started on the horn button. After dissassembly I believe I have missing parts and pieces. Does anyone have or know where I can find an exploded view of the steering column, especially the horn button assembly? Chiltons and Haynes have been no help. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank
Hmmm. I have an '86 service manual, but that's the oldest I have. Probably the same. I may have semething in that. In the horn button area, have you tried shorting the contacts together, just to see if it works?
[This message has been edited by tshark (edited 10-07-2014).]
This photo is from Jetman on here. This shows how the spring assembly should look behind the horn button. The spring goes in first and the rest after it.
And this is from Brad on here....aka twofatguys. The horn issue is discussed near the bottom depending on your steering wheel type:
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Here are all of the tools necessary for working on the GM tilt column. Note, some tools aren't required for this build: Steering wheel puller (disassembly only), either two-hole for stock wheels or three-hole for most aftermarket wheels Lock plate compressor (Autozone carries the one pictured for the best price I've found) Needle nose pliers Snap ring pliers, outside type (safety snap ring) 20mm or 13/16" deep socket (steering wheel nut) 7mm socket or nutdriver (trim panel screws under dash) 11mm socket (column shaft pinch bolt to intermediate shaft at floorboard) 13mm socket (column bracket to column bolts ) 15mm socket (column bracket to dash support bolts) 1/4" socket or nut driver (lock pin spring, bottom bearing assembly) 2 small flat blade screwdrivers Small Phillips screwdriver Medium Phillips screwdriver T-20 Torx bit or driver ('86-up ignition lock cylinder retaining screw) T-30 Torx bit or driver Pivot pin puller (can make one, risky though) (disassembly only) E-8 Torx head socket (can substitute 1/4" 6-point socket) 5/16" socket or nut driver (ignition & high beam switches) 3/8" socket or nut driver (ignition & high beam switches) Adjustable and/or regular wrenches for the steering wheel & pivot pin pullers
Technically, all of the Phillips-head looking screws are actually Pozidriv head, but Phillips drivers will work just fine for occasional use. You'll also note that a combination of metric and SAE fasteners are used. This is because the Saginaw plant where the columns were built still used SAE tooling whereas the GM assembly plants where the columns were installed were fully metric. Thus, the internal fasteners in the column are SAE and the fasteners that connect it to the vehicle are metric.
Here are all of the parts in a GM tilt column, excluding the steering wheel:
We start assembly with the core part, the column jacket assembly:
This is the lower bearing with dust shield and ( 2 ) 8-32 x 1" self-tapping deformed-thread screws:
Install the lower bearing assembly and dust shield into the tail of the column jacket using a 1/4" socket. It is indexed so that it can only go in one way:
Now it's time to move to the top of the column jacket. Note the various slots and other features:
Here's the lower housing shroud. I cut away the side so that during the assembly it will be easier to see how the various components relate to each other:
The lower housing shroud simply slides onto the end of the column jacket, there are guides that allow it to only fit one way. When it is fully seated you'll see that the guides are below the large slot. Note the bump on the right side, that is for the manual column key release lever. The automatic column's lower housing shroud doesn't have this bump:
Here is the lower housing bolting plate. As a side note, my theory as to why the four bolts work lose and cause the "wobbly column" pattern failure so common with GM tilt columns is that the cross-sectional area of the tube that the bolting plate bears against is too small, resulting in the thin column tube edges deforming over time. This releases the tension that holds the bolts in place and once that occurs they rapidly back out under the various cyclic loads to which the steering column is subjected. You can see how little contact area there is as evidenced by the four narrow shiny spots around the edges:
You can see that the bolt spacing is wider at the top than at the bottom. Install the bolting plate by inserting it into the tube sideways, tilting the right side tab into the large slot, then bringing the plate up flat and inserting the two small tabs on the left into their corresponding slots in the tube wall:
On a manual column the next parts to install are the key release lever and spring:
They fit into an annular groove in the lower shroud, with the spring free end inserting into its pocket first as the lever is pushed into place:
Next up is the lower housing assembly. This has the pins that the tilt locking pawls engage to hold the tilt adjustment, and on manual columns it also has the key release lever guide as shown in the second photo below. The guide holds the manual key release lever in the shroud. The only difference between the manual and auto lower housing is the presence of the guide:
The high beam switch pushrod:
Install the high beam pushrod into the lower housing:
Install the ignition switch pushrod. It is installed by running the rod end down through a slot in the shroud (in the portion of the shroud that was cut away for this build topic):
Position the lower housing in place with the ignition switch and high beam pushrods routed as shown. Note, though it is possible to install the high beam pushrod after installing the housing, it is not possible to install the ignition switch pushrod after the housing is bolted in place:
The lower housing is held onto the column by four Torx-head bolts that screw into the bolting plate:
The bolts use an E8 socket, but can also be tightened with a 1/4" 6-point socket or a 6mm 6-point socket. Locktite is probably not a bad idea on the threads:
We're ready to install the ignition switch. There is a pocket in the side of it that the pushrod fits into:
Here's how the pushrod looks inserted into the switch:
The ignition switch bolts to the column with a 5/16" stud-headed screw. Install the screw finger tight at this time, note the slots that allow the ignition switch to be adjusted up or down the column:
We'll adjust the ignition switch later, after the column is fully assembled.
Next, install the high beam switch. It is held in place by a 3/8" nut on the stud-headed screw and a 5/16" screw that also holds the ignition switch in place. As with the other bolt, leave the nut and bolt finger tight at this time:
It is ok to wait and install the ignition and high beam switches last after the rest of the column is completely assembled, but I like to do it early because it makes it easier to hold the ignition switch and high beam pushrods in place while installing the upper housing assembly. This is where we should be at this point:
Here's the main shaft assembly:
One of the main safety features of the steering column is that this shaft assembly is collapsible. This is done by using a telescoping tube design with an injection-molded plastic key to lock the tube and shaft together:
This plastic key will shear when the torso hits the steering wheel during a severe collision, allowing the shaft to collapse into the tube instead of punching your heart out through your spine. When a column is dropped on its end or a hammer is used to knock the steering wheel loose this is the part that is typically damaged, causing the column to rattle over bumps and sometimes feel like it has slack with a "click" feeling. Once this happens the shaft is considered non-repairable.
The main shaft connects to the stub shaft with a plastic ball joint that contains a spring to remove play:
Insert the ball assembly into the stub shaft sideways, then rotate ninety degrees to lock it into place:
Insert the main shaft "C" into the ball at a ninety degree angle, there's a slot in the stub shaft for this, then straighten the two shafts until they are aligned, thus locking the shafts together at the ball joint. There should be strong friction as the shafts are aligned and no play when you are done. The spring between the ball halves pushes them apart, taking the slack out of the ball joint.
Insert the shaft assembly into the tube and out through the lower bearing.
The upper housing contains most of the bits of the column. We'll start by installing the ignition lock cylinder cross shaft and gear.
Here is the ignition lock cylinder cross shaft and sector drive gear:
Insert the longer flat end through the upper housing and then into the gear. Orient the gear as shown:
Use a socket to support the gear and gently tap the cross shaft through until it seats fully in the gear. The gear should rotate freely:
The end of the shaft will protrude slightly, just far enough to expose the notches on the edges of the shaft:
Next, install the sector preload spring, it simply pushes into place in the bottom of the sector guide in the housing:
The upper housing also contains the upper and lower bearings for the stub shaft. When turning the steering wheel these bearings are what keep the wheel feeling "tight" as it rotates. The bearing balls are equally spaced in the upper housing by slotted retainers. Use grease to hold the balls in the retainers, then set the retainers into the races using more grease to hold them in place. The following pictures show the upper and lower bearings installed, with the tilt release lever installed for visual reference.
This is looking at the upper bearing:
And the lower bearing:
Here is the lock pin, this pin engages the notches in the edge of the lock plate and locks the steering wheel when the key is turned to the LOCK position:
Insert the lock pin into the upper housing as shown. Note how the groove on the bottom of the pin engages a bump on the gear:
Install the sector into the upper housing. Rotate the gear until the large tooth is pointed down and back, then insert the sector from the rear such that the large tooth engages the large notch of the sector. This is what it should look like with sector and lock pin installed:
Next will be the hardest part for most people, so I'll devote extra pictures and explanations of the parts relationships to help with this task. I'll begin with a brief description of how the various linkages work through the pivot point.
The ignition lock cylinder turns a cross shaft that goes through the column and into a gear. The gear engages a rack on the sector that moves up and down the column as the key is turned. The sector has an arch on the lower end that fits between two pins at the top end of the ignition switch pushrod which in turn goes down the length of the column to where it connects to the actual ignition switch. The arch stays connected to the ignition switch pushrod as the sector rotates about the tilt pivot pin when the column is tilted, without moving the pushrod. The pushrod pulls up as the key is turned toward the START position, and pushes down as the key is turned to the OFF position.
The high beam linkage is different, its pushrod goes past the tilt pivot pin and through the upper housing, then bends up into an arc. There is a curved follower that pushes against the arc of the pushrod, that follower in turn is pushed by the wiper switch which rotates on a pin when the turn signal stalk is pulled back. The curved bottom of the follower slides along the arc of the pushrod as the column is tilted up and down.
Here is the ignition sector, showing the inside with the arch at the right end and the rack at the left end:
Here's the high beam follower:
Here's a closeup view of the upper end of the ignition pushrod showing the two pegs:
Here are detailed views of how the sector and follower engage the two pushrods in various degrees of tilt. Note how the arched edge of the sector stays engaged between the two pegs on the aluminum molding at the top of the ignition switch pushrod, and how the high beam follower matches the arc of the end of the high beam switch pushrod:
The tilt adjustment is maintained by toothed pawls that engage the pins in the top of the lower housing. When the tilt release lever is pulled it releases the pawls and allows the upper column to pivot up and down on the tilt pivot pins. The notches in the two pawls are offset 1/2 tooth from each other, this allows the column tilt to adjust in 1/2 tooth increments. Only one pawl is ever engaged with a pin at a time. Here's a pic of the pawls in the released position:
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Now to assemble the upper housing assembly to the lower portion of the column. There are several things that need to be accomplished simultaneously while installing the upper housing assembly. The ignition sector needs to properly engage the pegs on the ignition switch push rod, making sure that the pushrod end fits into the groove in the side of the lower housing. The high beam pushrod needs to be properly located through the lower left quadrant of the upper housing, the tilt pawls need to properly engage the pins in the top of the lower housing, and the pivot pin holes need to be aligned. On manual columns the key release lever slot needs to engage the pin sticking out of the top of the ignition pushrod. Also, the lock pin needs to stay properly engaged as it tends to fall out during this step. Though this is the most intimidating part of the build, it's actually not as hard as it sounds. One helpful tip is to keep the stub shaft pulled toward you as you maneuver the upper housing into place, this will help keep the balls in the lower race from being accidentally dislodged during this part of the assembly process.
Start by pulling the ignition switch pushrod all the way up toward the top of the column. Pull the high beam switch pushrod up, but not past the bend in the rod. Insert the stub shaft into the back of the upper housing assembly as you bring the housing assembly toward the lower housing. Rotate the upper housing assembly clockwise about 1/4 turn, this should be enough to allow working the upper end of the high beam pushrod through the large hole in the lower left quadrant of the upper housing assembly. It is assumed that the tilt lever is installed at this point.
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Once the upper end of the high beam pushrod is properly placed, rotate the upper housing counterclockwise as you bring it closer to the lower housing. Rotate the ignition cross shaft as needed to extend the arched end of the sector, then engage the arched end of the sector with the upper end of the ignition switch pushrod. Make sure that the arched end fits between the two pegs. A common mistake is to have the arch in front of the pegs, this will cause the ignition to only turn off, and then not be able to turn on again. Here's a pic showing proper engagement:
Keep the upper housing tilted up at a moderate angle during this process, it makes it easier to engage the tilt pawls. Speaking of pawls, the next step is to engage them. With the upper housing tilted up, carefully push it onto the column while pulling the tilt lever all the way back. You can see the pawls align with the pins like this:
The upper housing should be rotated to its normal position at this point as you continue to work the housing down. Make sure that the high beam pushrod is moved down to it's approximate final location, though it doesn't have to actually be set into the high beam switch at this time. If you can release the tilt lever and the upper housing becomes locked into place then the pawls are engaged properly. This is what it should look like, notice the relationship between the upper housing and the lower shroud:
With the pawls engaged, tilt the upper housing downward to bring the pivot pin holes into alignment. It may take more than one "grab" of the tilt pawls, i.e. pull the lever and then push the top in to engage the next tooth in the pawl assembly. Once the pivot pin holes are in alignment this is what it should look like:
Make sure the sector is properly engaged by holding the upper housing in place while turning the ignition switch cross shaft to verify that the pushrod moves up and down properly.
Whew! The hardest part is now done! Now all that's left is to finish assembly of the column. Start by inserting the pivot pins:
Use a brass punch and hammer to tap the pins in until they're flush, then again verify that the ignition switch pushrod is properly engaged by rotating the cross shaft in both directions and checking that the ignition switch pushrod moves both up and down. You can use the ignition lock cylinder as a convenient way to turn the cross shaft.
Here's an explanation of how the ignition key release lever functions in the manual column. The key release lever (pictured earlier) wraps over the top of the column inside the lower shroud. On the left side of the column the lever has an L-shaped notch in it. There is a pin that sticks out from the top of the ignition pushrod (autos have the same pin that doesn't do anything) that fits into that notch. As the ignition lock cylinder is rotated to the OFF position the sector pushes the ignition pushrod down until the pin hits the end of the notch and stops the key from turning any further. This is the OFF position of the ignition switch. [img] [/img]http://cliff.hostkansas.com//pffimages3/keyreleaselever1.jpg[/img]
Depressing the key release lever rotates it clockwise and raises the L-shaped notch such that the pin can now move further down as the key is rotated to the LOCK and ACCESSORY positions.
Since the release lever is spring loaded the notch will pop back the next time the key is turned forward. Leaving the column tilted to the highest position for now, the next step is to install the lock pin retraction spring. Here's the spring with its 1/4" head retaining screw:
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Start by hooking the spring into the groove on the end of the lock pin. It may be necessary to rotate the gear forward or back to get enough room to do this:
Once the hook is in place insert the loop into the large pocket on the side of the gear:
Then insert the 1/4" head screw through the bottom of the spring and tighten into place:
There is a hefty spring used to lift the wheel up when the tilt lever is pulled back. This spring has a centering guide in one end and a retaining cap with ears that holds it in place at the other end. Here are those parts:
Here is an inside view of the spring hole in the upper housing, you can see the notches that the cap ears fit into as well as the ledge that they engage when you turn the cap 90? clockwise after pushing it down:
And here's the same view with the spring cap in its final position:
You'll note that the open area below the ledge (as viewed from the top side) doesn't have a bottom, so you can push the cap down as far as you want without worrying about damaging it. The cap only has to go in about a quarter inch or so to get the ears past the ledge before rotating it to the locked position. It is important to keep the cap square to the bore, otherwise the steel ears will dig into the aluminum housing and get stuck. A Phillips screwdriver works well for keeping the cap straight when inserting it.
Pull the tilt lever back and raise the column to the highest tilt position. Insert the lower guide into the tilt spring and then feed the assembly into the large hole in the bottom of the upper housing. Make sure the lower guide cup engages the peg in the lower housing:
Use a large Phillips screwdriver to push the cap down with the ears aligned to the grooves in the sides of the hole. When the cap is deep enough turn it about one quarter turn to the right to lock it into place.
Tilt the upper housing down to the straight position, then remove the tilt lever.
At this point we're done with the tilt mechanism and the lower column. It's time to start assembling the upper shroud, that's the plastic housing that contains the wiper switch and the ignition lock cylinder. We'll start with the shroud:
The first thing to install in the upper shroud is the wiper switch. The switch shown is the basic one, the variable wipe switch installs the same way though it looks slightly different. Here's the basic switch, shown with its pivot rod:
Insert the switch into the housing like this:
Rotate the switch so that the pivot rod holes align with the holes in the shroud, then insert the pivot rod:
If you have cruise control, take the cruise stalk wire and insert it through the hole in the side of the upper shroud and route it under the wiper switch like this:
You can snap the the cruise stalk into the wiper at this time, there's a detent ball down in the wiper switch that engages the groove on the end of the stalk. Put a bit of grease here to make it easier to remove in the future:
Thread the wire down through the lower left quadrant of the column, below the high beam push rod:
Here's the tilt lever housing:
Take grease and use it to stick the high beam follower to the inside of the tilt lever housing:
Set the tilt lever housing in place against the upper housing, make sure that the high beam follower engages the high beam pushrod properly and that the other end of the pushrod is inserted into the high beam switch:
High beam follower correctly contacting the pushrod:
Tilt lever housing seated against column, note how the follower is oriented:
High beam pushrod seated in pocket on high beam switch:
Now it's time to assemble the shroud to the upper housing. Guide it straight into place, noting how the tilt lever housing fits into the upper shroud and making sure that the upper end of the high beam follower fits into its guide hole in the upper shroud. A screwdriver is helpful for guiding the high beam follower into place as it often times will get bumped out of alignment during assembly. Also make sure that the lock pin inserts into its hole, and pull the slack out of the cruise wire as the housing seats in place:
Once properly assembled, the end of the high beam follower is easily visible pushing up against the bottom of the wiper switch:
The tilt cover will fit tightly into the bottom of the shroud:
And the cruise stalk wire will be routed through the column like this (tilt lever housing removed for clarity):
Install the tilt lever now.
The three screws that hold the upper shroud in place:
Use a T-30 Torx driver to tighten the three silver flat-headed Torx screws into place:
You can see the lock pin visible at the upper left.
Next, thread the wiper switch connector down through the slot in the lower left quadrant of the column:
Pull the slack out of the wiper wiring harness, it should be routed like this:
Insert the ignition lock cylinder into the upper shroud. Note how the green key presence switch plunger and indexing tab on the lock cylinder collar fit into the groove in the bottom of the lock cylinder hole in the upper shroud:
There are two kinds of lock cylinder retainer screws used on Fieros, the '84-'86?, and the '87-'88?. The early screws use a Phillips head screwdriver and have the threads on the end of the screw, and the later screws use a T-20 Torx driver and have the threads up under the head. Note: The upper shrouds are different as well due to the two different thread locations, though they will interchange on the column as long as the matching screws are used.
This picture shows both types, the late style is on the left and the early style is on the right:
Insert and tighten the lock cylinder retaining screw. Note, the late style screw has a double helix. Whenever reinstalling self-tapping screws into plastic it is a good idea to turn the screw backwards until you feel the screw "drop" a little, this indicates that the threads are engaged and the screw can be retightened without damaging the plastic threads in the part. The double helix on the late screw has two different heights, so if it seems to be hard to tighten down you may have to back it out to the second "drop" to make sure the threads are correctly engaged.
The key presence switch assembly tells the chime unit when the key is inserted into the ignition lock cylinder, and consists of a spring and the switch itself:
Assemble the spring and key presence switch by hooking the spring's tab over one end of the switch and rotating it into place:
Insert the switch assembly into the rectangular hole in the upper shroud. The key must be out of the lock cylinder for this step:
The switch should be fully seated in the hole. The two metal tabs sticking up contact pads on the back of the turn signal, then to two wires in the turn signal harness. When the key is insterted into the lock cylinder the key tip pushes the green plunger outward, depressing the key presence switch contacts and closing the key presence circuit to the blue chime unit.
Here's the turn signal switch assembly. Note the flat connector and the way the wiring is formed to be parallel with the connector:
Insert the flat connector down through the same slot as the wiper switch harness. Note the orientation of the connector:
Pull the slack out of the wires as you bring the switch assembly up to the shroud, then seat the switch in place. You'll need to click the center part of the switch to the right turn signal position to access the top screw:
There are three screws total:
Move the switch back to the center position.
The hazard switch button parts:
It screws into the turn signal switch assembly through a hole in the side of the column using a small Phillips screwdriver:
The turn signal follower and screw:
Insert the end of the follower into the upper shroud and engage the follower peg with the slot in the wiper switch, align the other end of the follower with the recess in the turn signal, then insert and tighten the screw with a Phillips screwdriver:
The upper bearing inner race and preload cup. Note how the preload cup fingers fit into the race:
Slide the race and preload cup down the shaft:
Ensure that the fingers of the preload cup fit down inside the race all the way around.
The upper bearing preload spring:
Slide the preload spring down to the preload cup:
A top view of the cancel cam, the tube sticking up holds the horn button contactor:
A bottom view of the cancel cam showing the metal horn contactor ring. The two bumps on the side of the cancel cam shaft push against the circular cancel springs in the turn signal as the wheel is turned, canceling the turn signals as the steering wheel is turned:
Slide the cancel cam down over the preload spring:
The lock plate and lock plate retaining snap ring:
Note the notches around the edge, these are what the lock pin engages when the key is turned to the LOCK position. You'll also note that at the top of the center hole of the lock plate that one of the splines is missing. The lock plate is keyed so that it will only go on the upper shaft one way. Rotate the cancel cam so that the horn contactor post fits through the hole in the lock plate and slide the lock plate onto the shaft, followed by the retaining snap ring. Note the recess in the center of the lock plate:
To retract the lock pin out of the way I put the key in and turned it to the RUN position.
Attach the lock plate compressor tool to the center shaft then pull the shaft up as you rotate it to ensure that the lower bearing race seats in the bearings properly. Use the compressor to push the lock plate down the shaft until it bottoms, when it does the snap ring groove should just be visible. If the lock plate won't go all the way down then the stub shaft isn't seated properly in the bottom bearing of the upper housing:
Use a screwdriver or two to push the retaining ring down until it snaps into the groove:
Once the retaining ring is seated remove the compressor tool.
The lock plate edge cover:
Around the edge of the lock plate there are three areas where tabs extend out a bit:
Here's a back view of the lock plate with trim installed, you can see how the three tabs of the trim piece engage the lock plate tabs:
Snap the trim cover into place:
Moving back to the bottom of the column, here is the centering cone and preload spring with retaining clip:
Slide the cone and spring onto the end of the shaft, then push the retaining clip down the shaft until the spring is compressed by about half:
The wiring sleeve:
It protects the wiring as it exits the lower shroud. Insert the wiring for the turn signal and wiper switch into the sleeve:
Then slip the sleeve up into the lower shroud. Align the square holes in the sleeve with the nuts welded to the column tube and press the sleeve into place:
Note: The cruise wire doesn't go through the sleeve.
The upper column bracket and bolts:
Use a 13mm socket to bolt the bracket to the column. Because of the way the holes are spaced it will only go on one way: Here's another safety feature of the column. The aluminum bolting pads on the bracket are held in place by extruded plastic. When the torso hits the column or the column is driven into the torso the plastic shears, allowing the column bracket to pull free of the bolting pads and crush down to a shorter length:
The last thing to do is to adjust the ignition and high beam switches. Start by removing the high beam switch bolt and nut, then the switch. Rotate the key to the LOCK position. Loosen the stud-headed bolt that retains the ignition switch, then slide the switch so that it "detents" into the off position, this will be the second to last detent on the switch. Retighten the bolt, then turn the key to the various positions while observing the switch movement and detent positions. Reattach the high beam switch making sure to get the end of the pushrod properly engaged in the switch socket, then adjust the switch to remove the slack from the pushrod. Tighten the nut and screw and that's it, you've successfully built a GM tilt column from scratch.
Now wasn't that easy?
After installing the steering wheel, here's how the horn button contactor goes into the cancel cam.
Wheels with a center button style horn use a captive plunger. The spring pushes the "nail" or plunger up against a metal plate in the underside of the horn button. When the horn button is depressed the metal plate contacts the horn latch clips and provides a ground path through the column to activate the horn relay:
The paddle horn button wheel has a spring-loaded contactor and wire that goes into the cancel cam:
It installs similarly to the GT plunger, push in and turn to lock the peg into the groove:
The steering wheel is held on with a 20mm hex nut with a 14mm x 1.5 thread, then a triangular safety snap ring goes on last: Some other column trivia:
When the steering wheel was assembled to the column on the car production line the assembler used a chisel to make matching index marks on the steering wheel hub and the end of the column. You can see it in this closeup:
The marks typically will align with the wide spline on the top of the stub shaft.
[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 10-07-2014).]
There is the piece I am missing, thank you so much, will be at auto store tomorrow. The white piece that goes through the black sleeve is what I need. Thank you
Good find IMSA GT. Thanks for passing along the Jetman and twofatguys great info.
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Dick Mera #8046 (Miss January, Mile High Fieros 2014 calendar) 1987 GT T-boned (RIP) 1988 GT T-Top (The Fiero Store Calendar: Miss February 2012) 1987 McBurnie Daytona Spyder
Heh heh... littlefrankie came and left three years ago. Four posts limited strictly to this thread, all within 25 minutes... and then vamoose.
When I see such short stints by new members on the forum, I often wonder what happened. Did they discover they had no mechanical aptitude... or were they so talented that nothing much with their Fiero was a challenge? Or maybe they just thought we were all dorks. I guess we'll never actually know.
[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-04-2017).]
Four posts limited strictly to this thread, all within 25 minutes... and then vamoose.
I guess we'll never actually know. 
