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Sail Panels in Safety Glass...tell me why this would not work by TXOPIE
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OK everyone....thinking about taking a set of factory perfect sail panels and seeing if I could have molds made out of them.
And then see if a glass company could make them out of safety glass.
Let me know your thoughts!
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Report this Post05-19-2014 01:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Old LarSend a Private Message to Old LarEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Not enough demand for GT sail panels to make any profit from the project for any manufacturer.
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Report this Post05-19-2014 01:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The cost and weight of making them out of safety glass would be not worth the trouble, I think.
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I think I will contact Richard at Pro-source Glass and see what he has to say about it.
I honestly don't think the weight will be a problem.
I personally will be needing a good supply of sail panels with my new endeavor...and I am not completely happy with the current aftermarket options.
Please feel free to continue to comment and leave thoughts.
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The curved edge on the front will likely be the issue. Its radius is too tight.
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You could probably find a way around the curved front edge by using a piece of plastic there. But other than that I think it's a good idea. Safety glass would be a lot easier to do than tempered glass.
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I would not even consider it there is enough trouble just trying to keep the ones on the car using two sided tape.

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Report this Post05-19-2014 10:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin87FieroGTSend a Private Message to Kevin87FieroGTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
For all the trouble, why not just make a very high quality plastic replacement? Seems all the current ones available have their flaws. As one that may need a pair in the future it would be great knowing I could purchase a pair that have fit and finish exactly as stock, no issues.

Edit: interesting post here, //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/071955.html

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Originally posted by TXOPIE:

OK everyone..
Let me know your thoughts!


I say do it......

You already know there want be a huge demand,and will be critiqued by all the negative nancys.

Other venders on here create low demand items . They know there not gonna strike it rich(most don't even break even).

And personaly the more options for us the better.
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I have considered making my hybrid sail windows out of safety glass. to hold them in I would steal a little trick from church windows using a leaded tin channel to go around the glass and have studs on the backside to just bolt the darn things on with. Forget the tape. Plus using the lead/tin channel stained glass window the seam in the channel can be sanded smooth after soldering and then painted satin black to match the rest of the trim. Mix that with my hybrid setup and it will look nice.

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I have considered making my hybrid sail windows out of safety glass. to hold them in I would steal a little trick from church windows using a leaded tin channel to go around the glass and have studs on the backside to just bolt the darn things on with. Forget the tape. Plus using the lead/tin channel stained glass window the seam in the channel can be sanded smooth after soldering and then painted satin black to match the rest of the trim. Mix that with my hybrid setup and it will look nice.



Dow Corning 995 Structural Silicone Sealant. We use this stuff to [basically] glue the glass on the aluminum frames that are installed in commercial construction. It isn't coming off.
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Dow Corning 995 Structural Silicone Sealant. We use this stuff to [basically] glue the glass on the aluminum frames that are installed in commercial construction. It isn't coming off.


Or just use windshield installation adhesive (the stuff used on new cars).

I vote for properly designed sail panels, but not in glass.
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Or just use windshield installation adhesive (the stuff used on new cars).

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I was going to say this... windshields are glued on and I can't remember one ever flying off due to a failed adhesive.
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Report this Post05-22-2014 02:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tsharkSend a Private Message to tsharkEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Originals. Hoping pokey or someone gets those ready.
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Originally posted by fireboss:
I say do it......

You already know there want be a huge demand,and will be critiqued by all the negative nancys.

Other venders on here create low demand items . They know there not gonna strike it rich(most don't even break even).

And personaly the more options for us the better.



I just love these threads.

Topic "I want to do blah... tell me why this would not work"

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Then people lose their tempers, and throw negative ratings around like they don't mean anything, simply because they lose their temper over some petty disagreement.


For TXOPIE, if you're talking about only the notchback sails, then it might be doable at a reasonable cost, and you might get a few more buyers. If you're talking about the fastback panels, then I think the production cost and weight gain over the plexi panels, will be prohibitive.
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I was going to say this... windshields are glued on and I can't remember one ever flying off due to a failed adhesive.


MOSTLY true fact. However, Mercedes SLs (only) do have a problem with them working loose, in as little as 3-5 years. I found out when I wanted to replace a windshield in one of mine that had some pits and leaks. The Safelite guy just barely pushed the old one out with one hand from outside the car. It litterally fell out in his other hand all in one piece. He told me they recommend removing and reinstalling them every so many years as its a common issue. I guess it might be due to cowl shake breaking the drier seal when the car (convertible) flexes over bumps.

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MOSTLY true fact. However, Mercedes SLs (only) do have a problem with them working loose, in as little as 3-5 years. I found out when I wanted to replace a windshield in one of mine that had some pits and leaks. The Safelite guy just barely pushed the old one out with one hand from outside the car. It litterally fell out in his other hand all in one piece. He told me they recommend removing and reinstalling them every so many years as its a common issue. I guess it might be due to cowl shake breaking the drier seal when the car (convertible) flexes over bumps.


Turbo Regals and GNs are notorious for twisting the rear window loose but I would think sail panels would stay. The 84 notchy panels are glass so I don't see weight being an issue even with the fastback size but the tooling costs and low volume would probably make they too expensive for most people.
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Turbo Regals and GNs are notorious for twisting the rear window loose but I would think sail panels would stay. The 84 notchy panels are glass so I don't see weight being an issue even with the fastback size but the tooling costs and low volume would probably make they too expensive for most people.


I don't think the 84 notchie panels are safety glass though, are they? I think safety glass will be a little thicker, and has a layer of material on each side to keep the glass contained when it does shatter.

And why did GM switch away from glass in the notchies exactly? I'm sure they had a good reason, even if that reason was only cost.
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I am willing to bet they switched away because they saved money...
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Report this Post05-22-2014 03:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DLCLK87GTSend a Private Message to DLCLK87GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I would think a better investment would be to pick up where others have left off. I think Pokey was almost there when he ran out of funds...or whatever the roadblock was he hit. I'd contact him and see if he's willing to sell what he has. Why start from scratch.
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Report this Post05-24-2014 01:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fast40driverClick Here to Email fast40driverSend a Private Message to fast40driverEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Molds for glass are made from steel, highly polished - has to be to withstand the heat of semi-molten glass. Last time I had a custom glass windshield made, for a boat, cost was right around $10,000 even. That was 12 years ago. Be great if it worked out, but I too think that a well-executed plastic would be better.
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