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How rare is this kind of fiero? by AL87
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Okay a non fastback, non-aero fiero, that has a 2.8 stock.
basically a 2m6. BUT with a manual transmission.
I think they came with 4spd only? (as far as a M/T)

I know GT's came with both...

I haven't been able to find a single fiero with the standard body, v6, and m/t...
I actually have been wanting that as much as a flat-black/silver GT (of which I have)

where have these... 2M6's gone?
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What you describe is an 85 SE with the optional V6. The 4 speed came with the V6 cars until late in the 86 model year, when they switched to the Getrag 5 speed.
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their uncommon but not really worth much...
I've only ever seen like 2 of them.

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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

their uncommon but not really worth much...
I've only ever seen like 2 of them.



Good, I should be able to pick a good one up for under 1k.

now the problem is finding one...
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I was looking at a 4speed one, but they wanted almost $3000 for it and it had 196k. All the others I've seen are automatics
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There were plenty of them in 88. Formulas, being 88s, tend to go for a higher price though.
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Originally posted by dobey:

There were plenty of them in 88. Formulas, being 88s, tend to go for a higher price though.


There were no bumperpad cars in 88.
The last year for the bumperpad fascias was 86.
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

their uncommon but not really worth much...
I've only ever seen like 2 of them.



Not that rare, got one in my driveway !

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Looks to be near 12000 '85 SE V6s produced.

(BTW, I noticed the 86.5 myth is also shown )
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Originally posted by jaskispyder:

Looks to be near 12000 '85 SE V6s produced.

(BTW, I noticed the 86.5 myth is also shown )


I've got one of those mythic 86.5 SE's in my driveway..... -Jason

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
There were no bumperpad cars in 88.
The last year for the bumperpad fascias was 86.


Nobody said bumperpad. He asked about coupes with the V6. Non-aero, non-fastaback cars, with V6. Formula clearly falls under that category.

It's a superior vehicle to any of the previous year cars, and if he really wants a bumperpad that bad, it's easy enough to swap the nose with one from an earlier year.
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Originally posted by dobey:


Nobody said bumperpad. He asked about coupes with the V6. Non-aero, non-fastaback cars, with V6. Formula clearly falls under that category.

It's a superior vehicle to any of the previous year cars, and if he really wants a bumperpad that bad, it's easy enough to swap the nose with one from an earlier year.


I never mentioned it, but yeah... it sounds like a good idea, now... how many 88 formulas had a 4spd?
and how common are the parts for that 88?

I'm really feeling starved to have an early model notchback bumperpad V6 with a 4spd manual, Idk why, but I want to get lowering springs on it, put gt wheels on it, upgrade the front swaybar and put an add-on rear on, idk if a strut support would be feasible at this point, but one of those too XD.I might swap to a 3.4, I want to put a cam in it either for that 3/4 race cam lope, OR put one in there for a turbo, because they come off more appealing every time I think about them. BUT depending on if I turbo or not will determine if I go high compression, or not...

the exterior paint I'm feeling has to be black... with grey interior. preferably without a sunroof. and with a luggage rack.
power windows and power mirrors a must.

I don't care if I have to "ruin" a nice gt with bumperpad parts just to get that look Im craving...

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Originally posted by AL87:


I never mentioned it, but yeah... it sounds like a good idea, now... how many 88 formulas had a 4spd?
and how common are the parts for that 88?

I'm really feeling starved to have an early model notchback bumperpad V6 with a 4spd manual, Idk why, but I want to get lowering springs on it, put gt wheels on it, upgrade the front swaybar and put an add-on rear on, idk if a strut support would be feasible at this point, but one of those too XD.I might swap to a 3.4, I want to put a cam in it either for that 3/4 race cam lope, OR put one in there for a turbo, because they come off more appealing every time I think about them.

the exterior paint I'm feeling has to be black... with grey interior. preferably without a sunroof. and with a luggage rack.
power windows and power mirrors a must.

I don't care if I have to "ruin" a nice gt with bumperpad parts just to get that look Im craving...


My old formula was a 4 speed....... not stock but it was
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88 formulas have 5 speeds.

If you put bumper pads on, you will need the covers, the support plastic (honeycomb), associated mounting hardware, wheel wells, marker lights and notched side trim (to change the rest of the car).

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Did SE's have aero fascia stock, or was it optional? Most SE's I've seen looked like the '85 notchback GT.
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Originally posted by Formula88:
Did SE's have aero fascia stock, or was it optional? Most SE's I've seen looked like the '85 notchback GT.


In 1986 and 1987 they did, as they were aero SE 2M6 cars. In 1985, it carried the bumper pads with 2M6 designation. The SE trim was dropped for 1988.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

Did SE's have aero fascia stock, or was it optional? Most SE's I've seen looked like the '85 notchback GT.


84 and 85 SEs were coupe, no aero parts.

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Originally posted by AL87:

Okay a non fastback, non-aero fiero, that has a 2.8 stock.
basically a 2m6. BUT with a manual transmission.
I think they came with 4spd only? (as far as a M/T)

?


What he is describing is a bumperpad 85 or 86 V-6/4speed. If it is an SE, it would be an 85, as the 86 SE is an aero notchie.

That is not a Formula. Quit splitting hairs.

And you are right about the Formula being a much better car.
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Originally posted by AL87:
I never mentioned it, but yeah... it sounds like a good idea, now... how many 88 formulas had a 4spd?
and how common are the parts for that 88?

I'm really feeling starved to have an early model notchback bumperpad V6 with a 4spd manual, Idk why, but I want to get lowering springs on it, put gt wheels on it, upgrade the front swaybar and put an add-on rear on, idk if a strut support would be feasible at this point, but one of those too XD.I might swap to a 3.4, I want to put a cam in it either for that 3/4 race cam lope, OR put one in there for a turbo, because they come off more appealing every time I think about them. BUT depending on if I turbo or not will determine if I go high compression, or not...

the exterior paint I'm feeling has to be black... with grey interior. preferably without a sunroof. and with a luggage rack.
power windows and power mirrors a must.

I don't care if I have to "ruin" a nice gt with bumperpad parts just to get that look Im craving...


No Formulas came with the 4 speed. 86 was the last year of that trans. All 87/88 manual cars were 5 speeds stock. Some parts are harder to find for the 88 than the other years.

Why do you want a 4 speed?

And you're not going "high compression" on a 2.8/3.1/3.4 no matter what you build. At most, you'll probably get to 9.5:1, but more likely, you'll stay around the average 9:1. There's no need to lower it from there for a turbo.
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Not to rare but maybe not as common. Here is mine it has a auto trans but has all of the rest of it you are talking about. A lot of them have been turned into GT's or kits I am looking to fast back my bumper pads. I might have to find a fast back to put my pumper pads on so I can aero out my notchback too

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Originally posted by AL87:
I'm really feeling starved to have an early model notchback bumperpad V6 with a 4spd manual, Idk why, but I want to get lowering springs on it, put gt wheels on it, upgrade the front swaybar and put an add-on rear on, idk if a strut support would be feasible at this point, but one of those too XD.I might swap to a 3.4, I want to put a cam in it either for that 3/4 race cam lope, OR put one in there for a turbo, because they come off more appealing every time I think about them. BUT depending on if I turbo or not will determine if I go high compression, or not...

I don't care if I have to "ruin" a nice gt with bumperpad parts just to get that look Im craving...



Why not just pick a "real" project and buy/build it instead of coming on here every 60 days with a new fantasy that doesn't materialize?
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Why not just pick a "real" project and buy/build it instead of coming on here every 60 days with a new fantasy that doesn't materialize?


Pretty rude don't you think? What difference does it make to you if he wants to build a car? Damn at least he loves our little cars and isn't bashing them.
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Pretty rude don't you think? What difference does it make to you if he wants to build a car? Damn at least he loves our little cars and isn't bashing them.


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Pretty rude don't you think? What difference does it make to you if he wants to build a car? Damn at least he loves our little cars and isn't bashing them.


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Originally posted by donnie072003:


Pretty rude don't you think? What difference does it make to you if he wants to build a car? Damn at least he loves our little cars and isn't bashing them.


Meh, they can bash me all they want, I've formed a livelihood around them already, I work on each customer's car like it was my own. no question is a stupid question; the only one that is, is the one that isn't asked, right? A lot of growing I have done over at least the last 3 years. and I cant take anyone who puts me down seriously anymore... like... doesn't that person have anything better to say?

and besides its not about what materializes or not, its more along the lines of what I have to spend. and what I can do myself
If I had the money, I'd have a GT with a turbo V8 and a notchback turbo 3800; the v8 would have a 5spd with lsd and the trans would be reinforced. the 3800 would have the 4spd because of the gear ratio and its trans would also be reinforced.

I've got a solid basis now on what all I want to go do, and got plenty of input from everybody here, so I appreciate it.
not many questions will come during whatever build I go ahead with, just pictures, if I even am clean enough at the moment to take a few*

And, also in response to another post about the compression ratio; Okay, so I don't have to get some "fancy" pistons... GOOD.
the "high compression" was going to be for if I didn't turbo the engine, and went solely on the cam, because I finally did some homework and got in contact with a local cam shop here (cam techniques) to grind whatever I want. and have a few cards with specs depending on what route I take.

basically I want to take the engine one way OR the other. the n/a cam I want will have a lot of overlap at idle, so higher compression is needed, but If I turbo the engine, I'll only have a little overlap in the cam.
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Sounds like you are looking for a car like mine, except mine is white and now has Mr. Mike's black leather seats and black carpet.

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Originally posted by Fiero38SC:

Sounds like you are looking for a car like mine, except mine is white and now has Mr. Mike's black leather seats and black carpet.




I'm a white/black/grey/silver kinda guy. so white could work!
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As an owner of a 85 2M6 SE I can say they are not rare as in a 1969 Trans Am or as valuable but they are not very common with the large number of Fiero's produced.

They are the best sleeper of the lot as they had the GT engine, GT Suspension and GT interior but looked like any other 2M4. They were also the lightest by only a little Fiero offered with the V6.

Now I know everyone wants to have the most rare Fiero but the fact is other than one of the factory prototypes or PPG cars none of the Fiero will ever be in the same class as the said 69 TA or any of the COPO Camaro etc.

The neat thing is the 2M6 often can be bought at a good price and the fact other than a few small details all the parts will fit from year to year. It for the most part was the Formula for 85-87.

The 88 Formula is better just for the suspension but that is all the maid difference is other than speedo or 4 vs. 5 speed.

The reality is as much as some want to make it take the bodies off these cars they all look like sisters and only the 88 Suspension for the most part is the main difference. If you like what you have good if not bolt on what you like as this car is adaptable to what ever you want it to be.

For me I bought mine new and even for a lot less than the GT even though mine had more options. I did not miss the GT body parts as I was wanting to do my own kit. The dealer was good to me and took off the Luggage rack deck lid and gave me one the GT they had for only $90. So I did buy it new in 85 with the wing.

So in the long or short if you want to make your own mods or if you want a sleeper the 85 2M6 is a prime choice as you can save some money and still get all the good mechanical parts. No sense paying for the GT nose premium if you do not want it.
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As an owner of a 85 2M6 SE I can say they are not rare as in a 1969 Trans Am or as valuable but they are not very common with the large number of Fiero's produced.

They are the best sleeper of the lot as they had the GT engine, GT Suspension and GT interior but looked like any other 2M4. They were also the lightest by only a little Fiero offered with the V6.

Now I know everyone wants to have the most rare Fiero but the fact is other than one of the factory prototypes or PPG cars none of the Fiero will ever be in the same class as the said 69 TA or any of the COPO Camaro etc.

The neat thing is the 2M6 often can be bought at a good price and the fact other than a few small details all the parts will fit from year to year. It for the most part was the Formula for 85-87.

The 88 Formula is better just for the suspension but that is all the maid difference is other than speedo or 4 vs. 5 speed.

The reality is as much as some want to make it take the bodies off these cars they all look like sisters and only the 88 Suspension for the most part is the main difference. If you like what you have good if not bolt on what you like as this car is adaptable to what ever you want it to be.

For me I bought mine new and even for a lot less than the GT even though mine had more options. I did not miss the GT body parts as I was wanting to do my own kit. The dealer was good to me and took off the Luggage rack deck lid and gave me one the GT they had for only $90. So I did buy it new in 85 with the wing.

So in the long or short if you want to make your own mods or if you want a sleeper the 85 2M6 is a prime choice as you can save some money and still get all the good mechanical parts.
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weren't there 2m6's in 86 as well?

AND also that's why I want one, they are total "sleepers" and they are priced like all the other early notchback fieros, CHEAP.

Id rather have an 86... I cant take the seat speakers...
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weren't there 2m6's in 86 as well?

AND also that's why I want one, they are total "sleepers" and they are priced like all the other early notchback fieros, CHEAP.

Id rather have an 86... I cant take the seat speakers...


Yes, but the 86 SE has the aero body, the same as the 85 GT.
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Originally posted by AL87:

weren't there 2m6's in 86 as well?

AND also that's why I want one, they are total "sleepers" and they are priced like all the other early notchback fieros, CHEAP.

Id rather have an 86... I cant take the seat speakers...


Yes like stated the 86 has the GT nose and FX.

They are also if in good condition not priced like all other notchbacks as they will get a little more money than the normal 4 cylinder. They will be cheaper than a GT but more than a 2M4. But the distance from GT-2M4 is pretty slim with most cars. The real value is in the lower miles on what ever model as this is where the premium is anymore.
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I found someone willing to sell an 85 SE that is blacked out.
has sunroof, pwr windows, pwr mirrors.
fuel tank was replaced, w/new fuel pump.
injectors and fuel lines cleaned.

the current owner got it in part of a trade. 8 months ago.
and he put 400 miles on it since he titled it w/insurance.

he wants to sell it for 1k. what do you all think?

he just wants it gone, so I think its a steal. (along with some extra parts (doors, hood, bumpers, radiator, headlight motors))
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So is mine an "Aero"?
Im not sure of the definition.

Its an 86 Se with the V6, 4 speed





By the way, the luggage rack is for sale if anyone wants to make me an offer, send me a PM and we can talk and I can send pics.

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Yes, that would be an aero notch. Also a weird aftermarket rack.
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Yes, that would be an aero notch. Also a weird aftermarket rack.


I thought it was aftermarket, it didn't look like any others I've seen.
Well I hate it and once I get her running it'll be coming off and I bought a GT wing to put on
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I think that is a steal. Hate it when people spray everything black though. Another unusual Fiero is the 86 SE 2M4 with an aero body from the factory

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Another unusual Fiero is the 86 SE 2M4 with an aero body from the factory



I had a chance for a red 86 SE 4 cyl for $500.00 . The timing gear was toothless. I didn't grab it up when I could have. Always regretted losing that one. Was a really nice car.

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I had a chance for a red 86 SE 4 cyl for $500.00 . The timing gear was toothless. I didn't grab it up when I could have. Always regretted losing that one. Was a really nice car.


Same for me. Red 86 SE 2M4 auto with gray interior, manual mirrors/windows, luggage rack, no sunroof for $600. Engine was locked up, but I still wish I picked it up.

As for the 85 2M6's, I see many more autos than manuals, just like fastbacks.
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anyone else thinks 1k for a daily driven 85 SE V6 4spd is a steal?
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