Just caught part of this show and I swear that I saw a white GT in the background of a couple of shots. I'm sure that I saw it behind the 442 they were talking about.
I tried to find a site online where I could watch it again and I couldn't find any.
It just happened again last night. I spotted a white Formula sitting in the line of cars that Wayne has out in front of his show room. I snapped a shot of the screen with my phone. If I get time later I'll post it here.
Looks like he still has it in his inventory! See page 2, the episode is titled Beetle Mania. I don't know the episode number.
Something's fishy about that car. It has formula stickers on the side, but they have conflicting listing of the year (1986 vs 1988). A quick google search of the VIN shows that it is indeed an 88, but interestingly shows up as "Base" for trim level.
Well, I think I figured out where F40 got the Formula.
After seeing the episode 3 or 4 times I noticed last night that the white Formula was in the background of a pole barn durring the Model T "House Car".
Once I saw it I paid more attention to what was going on and the word "cars" was mentioned a few times but only showed Wayne C. haul out the Model T. You can see the Formula with its engine compartment lid up and a couple of guys around it like they were getting it ready to go.
Well, I think I figured out where F40 got the Formula.
After seeing the episode 3 or 4 times I noticed last night that the white Formula was in the background of a pole barn durring the Model T "House Car".
Once I saw it I paid more attention to what was going on and the word "cars" was mentioned a few times but only showed Wayne C. haul out the Model T. You can see the Formula with its engine compartment lid up and a couple of guys around it like they were getting it ready to go.
I was just going to say that car was on the collection where he got the House Model T. I would guess he bought more than one car from them..
Best way to sum it up is the Formula and GT had the same WS6 suspension standard.
Mechanically the Formula and GT are the same only trim and body panels are different. Now you get to a 85 GT vs SE 2M6 they even had the same interior but just different body trim. The engine and suspensions are the same.
The truth is most Fieros are not all that different.
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I was just going to say that car was on the collection where he got the House Model T. I would guess he bought more than one car from them..
Best way to sum it up is the Formula and GT had the same WS6 suspension standard.
Mechanically the Formula and GT are the same only trim and body panels are different. Now you get to a 85 GT vs SE 2M6 they even had the same interior but just different body trim. The engine and suspensions are the same.
The truth is most Fieros are not all that different.
If Wayne C. had enough respect to place a Fiero in his front row then he should have at least gave it an honorable mention in the Model T episode.
I've always call the Formula Firebird the poor man's Trans Am, likewise I've always called the Formula Fiero the poor man's GT. OR..... The go fast cars due to less BS. Less BS equals less weight, less weight equals quicker car. Kinda like a 455 H.O. Tempest or a Super Duty Catalina.
If Wayne C. had enough respect to place a Fiero in his front row then he should have at least gave it an honorable mention in the Model T episode.
I've always call the Formula Firebird the poor man's Trans Am, likewise I've always called the Formula Fiero the poor man's GT. OR..... The go fast cars due to less BS. Less BS equals less weight, less weight equals quicker car. Kinda like a 455 H.O. Tempest or a Super Duty Catalina.
You have to keep in mind this is a guy and a show about buying and trading many cars worth millions of dollars not some old sports car worth a few thousand. The T was only one of a couple made and may be worth big money now and was something even I did not know was ever made. On the other hand the Fiero is the kind of car as were some others in the warehouse that many people see jacked up in a yard.
It is ok to be a Fiero fan but you have to remember out place in the pecking order of collector cars. While we have a following we are not in great demand nor are we rare. To put it more plain we are not a Ferrari but we are not a Cavalier Z24 either.
Wayne is a nice guy as I had the chance to meet him years ago. He is also a business man. He had the car to do one thing Make money and odds were it was part of the deal to get the T. The previous owner was a friend and odds are he may have been helping the family to sell the car too.
While the Fiero is not mentioned on the show so are a lot of other fine cars too. I shows focus has been mostly high priced or very rare exotics and that leaves a lot of other cars out.
As for the second part I do agree the Formula or even in my case the SE 2M6 is the car for those who want performance with out the trimmings be it because it is the cheaper way out or be it you want the bare bones to the path of the most performance. To me they were the last of the gutted car from the factory like so many were in the 60's where they came with little or nothing just to race. You just can't buy that anymore with cars today with standard power everything.
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You have to keep in mind this is a guy and a show about buying and trading many cars worth millions of dollars not some old sports car worth a few thousand. The T was only one of a couple made and may be worth big money now and was something even I did not know was ever made. On the other hand the Fiero is the kind of car as were some others in the warehouse that many people see jacked up in a yard.
It is ok to be a Fiero fan but you have to remember out place in the pecking order of collector cars. While we have a following we are not in great demand nor are we rare. To put it more plain we are not a Ferrari but we are not a Cavalier Z24 either.
Wayne is a nice guy as I had the chance to meet him years ago. He is also a business man. He had the car to do one thing Make money and odds were it was part of the deal to get the T. The previous owner was a friend and odds are he may have been helping the family to sell the car too.
While the Fiero is not mentioned on the show so are a lot of other fine cars too. I shows focus has been mostly high priced or very rare exotics and that leaves a lot of other cars out.
As for the second part I do agree the Formula or even in my case the SE 2M6 is the car for those who want performance with out the trimmings be it because it is the cheaper way out or be it you want the bare bones to the path of the most performance. To me they were the last of the gutted car from the factory like so many were in the 60's where they came with little or nothing just to race. You just can't buy that anymore with cars today with standard power everything.
LOL!
I remember people saying this about my '65 GTO when I bought it for $150.00 in '72. They said my GTO and my buddy's '67 Buick GS 400 were never going to be worth anything because they sucked gas and they didn't have a Big Block Chevy or a Hemi.
Like I've said many times, every dog has its day. I know a guy that paid $11,000.00 for a 300 mile Chevette. If a Chevette and an AMC Pacer can pull in a good buck so will a Fiero.
That's great that you met Wayne, some day soon I'm sure I'll meet up with him too.
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I remember people saying this about my '65 GTO when I bought it for $150.00 in '72. They said my GTO and my buddy's '67 Buick GS 400 were never going to be worth anything because they sucked gas and they didn't have a Big Block Chevy or a Hemi.
Like I've said many times, every dog has its day. I know a guy that paid $11,000.00 for a 300 mile Chevette. If a Chevette and an AMC Pacer can pull in a good buck so will a Fiero.
That's great that you met Wayne, some day soon I'm sure I'll meet up with him too.
Tell me about values. I had a mint 1970 Monte Carlo, Mint 1968 Chevelle SS and a Mint 1972 GMC Sprint SP all at one time. I made money on each but no where near what I could today.
As for Values. few Chevettes sell for $11K even then a rotted out Chevelle today goes for $11K.
It is all about supply and demand. Right now there is way too much supply and not enough demand for the Fiero. Things will improve but we will remain like the Corvair in the lower end of the market. It is rare for cars to go from zero to hero like the Superbird or the Dino did.
I turned down selling my new Fiero in 1985 for a very clean Dino. I passed because I was afraid of where I would find parts. He wanted $15,000 for a perfect running example. Keep in mind at this time no one wanted them. Well today they can go for $300K to $600k and are still going up.
I also passed on a $16K Pantera too.
Yes I did keep the Fiero for 30 years. So much for my predicting the future. LOL!
Again good for a Chevette but in the big picture $11 K dose not buy much anymore.
No it does not and that is my point about the Fiero.
There have been a few '88 GT's that have sold in the mid to upper 30's, I think there was one that even did 42k. But as a whole there are many between the 10 and 15 range. No, they are not 50 to 60k yet and perhaps never will be but there are people (many here) that see a Fiero as a $2500.00 to $3500.00 car at best. That's where I say they are grossly underestimating what an old "original" car can be worth.
I consider the under 25 grand range "cheap" for a presentable classic car and for that money you could buy a bondo'ed up, tired iron Camaro, Chevelle or GTO that won't be worth what you paid or you can buy an extremely nice, low mileage '88 Fiero GT that will at least be worth what you paid.
Yes, you can't buy much, if anything, good for the money you can currently get for a Fiero and that is why I've turned down a few offers over the years for my black '88 GT.
I will tell you this much, every time I see or hear of one getting modified or wrecked, I know that makes mine worth that much more. You know that out of the 6848 built I think its safe to say that at least 1/3rd of them are gone due to Mura, modifications, wrecks and just plane worn out.
No it does not and that is my point about the Fiero.
There have been a few '88 GT's that have sold in the mid to upper 30's, I think there was one that even did 42k. But as a whole there are many between the 10 and 15 range. No, they are not 50 to 60k yet and perhaps never will be but there are people (many here) that see a Fiero as a $2500.00 to $3500.00 car at best. That's where I say they are grossly underestimating what an old "original" car can be worth.
I consider the under 25 grand range "cheap" for a presentable classic car and for that money you could buy a bondo'ed up, tired iron Camaro, Chevelle or GTO that won't be worth what you paid or you can buy an extremely nice, low mileage '88 Fiero GT that will at least be worth what you paid.
Yes, you can't buy much, if anything, good for the money you can currently get for a Fiero and that is why I've turned down a few offers over the years for my black '88 GT.
I will tell you this much, every time I see or hear of one getting modified or wrecked, I know that makes mine worth that much more. You know that out of the 6848 built I think its safe to say that at least 1/3rd of them are gone due to Mura, modifications, wrecks and just plane worn out.
It all goes back to supply and demand as cars, condition and the demand set their own price.
Now yes a few sold high but an odd high price from time to time does not set the market. Often just a crazy person over paying.
