4 sale kit to install a chev V8 into a fiero. this is for an automatic set up only. includes the plate to bolt the motor to the transmission. the plate to mount the altenator to the motor. the front motor mount plate, that mounts the motor to the cradle, with bolts or welding, its your option.
You will need: the altenator the small high torque race starter the 1" spacers to go between the torque converter, and the flywheel.
$600.00 all plates are made from high strength 44W plate. all plates are epoxy painted for high wear, and heat resitant, no rusting. ship to the USA is flat rate of $85.00 USD.
Chris
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Guess ripping off other people has gotten more expensive? Or did you come up with this one on your own? I'd love to see a working prototype.
Tell me about these 1" spacers that go between the torque converter and the flywheel. Where would I find these? Are they regular production parts available anywhere or do they need to be custom machined? Any idea what dimensions they need to be machined to? Do you make them? Where on earth did you find a torque converter that bolts to a flywheel?
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Sep 26th, 2007
Raydar Member
Posts: 41363 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
"Where on earth did you find a torque converter that bolts to a flywheel? "
Not to stick up for anyone but every torque converter I have ever seen bolts to the flywheel with 3 or 4 bolts. As for the spacers depending on which flywheel you are using you dont need them. Oh and I'm guessing you are thinking 1" thick, just think of it as a 1" washer.
Anyway, I'm not sticking up for anyone and since I built one and bought it from Archie I figured I would point you straight here. Dont own a Fiero anymore but still friends with a few of ya.
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Tcat55371 Member
Posts: 639 From: Princeton, MN. USA Registered: Apr 2002
Actually a torque converter bolts to a flexplate which is used on automatic cars a flywheel is used on manual cars. just for clearification purposes
Correct.
I'd still love to hear about these 1" spacers. He makes it sound like a common auto part, like an alternator or starter. "Yes, I'd like a set of 1" spacers that go between the torque converter and flexplate on my V8 Fiero." Parts person's reply...
Sounds like without him supplying these, telling you where you can get them, or the specs to have them made yourself, you're spending $600 for a kit that's useless.
Why have so many of you got a hard-on for this guy? So he's reverse-engineered an Archie kit. Big whoop. I don't think I've seen anyone do anything here that hasn't been ripped off from somewhere or someone else. If you don't want one of his kits, then don't buy one. But why come into the thread and start squeezing his onions? You only make yourself look like an a-hole, not him.
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Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7582 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by Formula88: Sounds like without him supplying these, telling you where you can get them, or the specs to have them made yourself, you're spending $600 for a kit that's useless.
Personally I think you you are not cabale of sourcing these parts - IMHO you have no business in doing a V8 swap. These are just some of the 'minor' parts that you will need to complete this swap.
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Originally posted by Taijiguy: Why have so many of you got a hard-on for this guy? So he's reverse-engineered an Archie kit. Big whoop. I don't think I've seen anyone do anything here that hasn't been ripped off from somewhere or someone else. If you don't want one of his kits, then don't buy one. But why come into the thread and start squeezing his onions? You only make yourself look like an a-hole, not him.
Couldn't agree more - if someone want to save a few bucks and does not need any 'tech support' what's the problem? If you need the extras, go with Archie (honestly, right now there is no real price difference between them - sure Archie's is more, but you get more).
You know what - Boeing/etc all ripped off the Wright Bros - all other car companies ripped off Ford (re: assembly line) - Disney with the theme parks - etc, etc. Just because you are the first at doing something does not mean you get exclusive rights to being the only one to produce it (unless you copyright it - but them a small change is only needed). Get over it, life is to short. BTW - How come I don't see anyone getting all bent out of shape about all the kitcar companies out there - are they not copying the body style of more expensive cars at a fraction of the price?
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fieropimp Member
Posts: 422 From: Port Huron, Mi Registered: May 2004
Just for the record I don't have a problem with him selling these cuz it doesnt really effect me. I was just clearifying what was said. The only problem I do have with him is that he keeps changing the price.
Personally I think you you are not cabale of sourcing these parts out yourself - IMHO you have no business in doing a V8 swap. These are probably some of the 'minor' parts that you will need to complete this swap.
Really? Ok, then what diameter are they? What material? What tensile strength do they need to be? A spacer that connects the torque converter to the flywheel would be a critical part that needs to be engineered as part of the kit. If you're going to have to source them yourself, you'll need some information to get the right parts.
If it was a spacer to move the alternator bracket away from the cylinder head - ok, that's not a big deal. But, the torque converter / flexplate mounting is a critical connection. Just like you wouldn't go grab some generic bolts to connect a clutch or flywheel - you need to get the right parts or it's going to come apart on you.
Without the right parts, you might as well be using JB Weld and dimes to plug fuel injector holes.
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GKDINC Member
Posts: 1813 From: East Tawas MI Registered: Dec 2001
It's not a "KIT" it's a couple piece, that will let you mate the engine and tranny together with the big gap between the two driving forces Good Luck Gary
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
You know what - Boeing/etc all ripped off the Wright Bros - all other car companies ripped off Ford (re: assembly line) - Disney with the theme parks - etc, etc.\
Apparently you have no concept of intellectual property. But legal copyright aside, there's a BIG difference between copying an idea - "a flying machine" to taking an existing aircraft and duplicating it part for part.
The Camaro is not a "copy" of a Mustang. They took the idea of a small sporty car and created an original product. They may have stolen the idea from Ford, but they didn't copy and sell Chevy Mustangs.
Zumalt and Archie both made Fiero V8 kits - yet the kits are drastically different in design, so the argument that there's only one way to make a kit is bogus, too.
And it matters to me because I don't like to see people ripping off the work others have put in to create parts for the Fiero community. R&D is expensive when done right and if as soon as you come out with a product there's going to be someone stealing your product and selling it as their own, then why bother?
Look at The Fiero Store and Rodney Dickman. Both create new products that we need for our cars. There has been an instance when the Fiero Store bought some of Rodney's products and copied them to sell themselves. I didn't support that either. Since then; however, the Fiero Store has come out with a lot of discontinued parts reproductions that we can't get elsewhere. That I do support.
Also, I don't like to see members of the Fiero community get ripped off. If you buy from this joker, the chances of you successfully completing a swap are pretty slim unless you're a good enough fabricator to do the whole job without a kit. With Archie you get a proven kit with instructions and technical assistance.
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Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: BTW - How come I don't see anyone getting all bent out of shape about all the kitcar companies out there - are they not copying the body style of more expensive cars at a fraction of the price?
You've apparently never heard of this creature in the business world known at the Ferrari Lawyer.
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wiccantoy Member
Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
archie has said himself there really isnt a different in price between the two kits. and archies with all it comes with may even be cheaper. let it go , there are copys of things everywhere you look. thats the only down fall with the laws . you change one little thing and you are safe. archie is the one selling the product and he doesnt seem to have a problem with this, why? because he as a buisness man knows this little adaptor plate will never make it in the world of fiero's. maybe one or two, but who cares archie has sold thousands and still will in the future. it isnt going to hurt his sales.
------------------ DONE: 86gt 5 speed 4.9 complete rebuild with buds outback northstar pistons , delta cams E303 cam , full ported , polished , stronger head springs, and flow tested heads and manifolds. rockcrawl's custom chip , polished crank . too much to list
This isn't just about Archie's sales. If you read my post you might have realized that. But everything's been said that needs to be, so if anyone wants to buy his crap - go for it. And good luck.
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Sep 29th, 2007
Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7582 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by Formula88: Really? Ok, then what diameter are they? What material? What tensile strength do they need to be? A spacer that connects the torque converter to the flywheel would be a critical part that needs to be engineered as part of the kit.
twit...if I WAS to buy this kit, I would then MEASURE the distance needed and MACHINE the needed parts out.
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Originally posted by Formula88: If you're going to have to source them yourself, you'll need some information to get the right parts.
MAYBE you can't read, but SHOW ME EXACTLY where I said YOU COULD BUY THESE PARTS?
Don't start bitching at me - I know what it takes to do an engine swap (have done a few - built my own brackets, so I know what it takes to measure and manufacture them) - how many have you done?
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Originally posted by Formula88: The Camaro is not a "copy" of a Mustang. They took the idea of a small sporty car and created an original product. They may have stolen the idea from Ford, but they didn't copy and sell Chevy Mustangs.
...like I said TRY READING before you put words into my mouth - where did I say the Camaro is/was a copy of the Mustang. I said "Ford (re: assembly line)"
Also, if you HAD READ my post, I stated that if you wanted all the parts - buy Archie's kit - also stated that there is no real price difference. Also stated that if you need the support to go with Archie.
...but I guess you missed those parts as well...
...you don't like it fine - but you know what? The Crusades ended many, many years ago. You act as if this is the first time anyone has copied anything that someone else has done.
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fieroboy_gt Member
Posts: 324 From: Lewiston, Maine, USA Registered: Mar 2007
it seems like people forgot about the cheapest v8 kit around. the street dreams kit is very affordable an great. the manual kit is just as good as archies an is a little difrent. let this guy sell what ever he wants to sell an let people buy what ever they want to buy. I wouldnt trust his parts. we dont even get pics of the stuff. archie, streetdreams, an zulamat are all street tested an have cars that have been on the road for years, so to buy this guys stuff is to take a big chance. but if you took the risk an it worked an you can enginer the rest of the stuff. I guess you would save money. but you would have to have faith in a product with no reliability.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:..like I said TRY READING before you put words into my mouth - where did I say the Camaro is/was a copy of the Mustang. I said "Ford (re: assembly line)"
Settle down, Beavis. Show me where I said you ever made any comment about Camaros or Mustangs at all? In the English language, that was what's known as "an example."
Like I said, if anyone wants to buy this stuff - good luck. I was trying to prevent a Fiero enthusiast from buying an inferior and incomplete kit from someone who doesn't know how to support it, as well as keep a vendor from having their work ripped off. I never mentioned anything about your fabrication abilities. I'm sure you don't even need a kit and fabricated everything yourself. That's not the point.
Strange as it may seem, this isn't about YOU. I know that's hard for you to understand, but you'll come to terms with it eventually. It might take therapy, though.
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Sep 30th, 2007
thismanyfieros Member
Posts: 3468 From: Red Deer, alberta,canada Registered: Dec 2002
i think ANY fiero enthuiast does already know the difference between this product offered and all the rest...thanks for the public service Formula but i got ride of my blanky and sippy cup years ago....i think most of us are big boys now and if you are dumb enough to buy this ...well shioot i got me some nice ocean front property here in Alberta i will sell you real cheap...tim...ps.. we all know this has been posted 3 times in the last few months.. i am betting he is doing it just to watch you guys ***** and make retards out of yourselves...i know i would just for shiots and giggles...but thats just me..
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
It's an interesting twist that in this thread people are saying it's the buyer's responsibility to know what they're buying, how to use it, and where to get any extra parts required. Most of the time, if a vendor took that attitude, people would scream bloody murder. But I guess that's not the case here.
It's all been said, so I'll just leave it with caveat emptor.
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Posts: 3468 From: Red Deer, alberta,canada Registered: Dec 2002
anybody who doesnt do their homework before they shell out money for any product they buy gets what they deserve...plain and simple..tim
You learned that lesson from your 88 t-top and car shipping adventures, didn't you. Guess you deserved those problems since you didn't do your homework before shelling out the money.
And to think, I might have tried to save someone from such a valuable lesson. Point well made.
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Oct 1st, 2007
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Posts: 3468 From: Red Deer, alberta,canada Registered: Dec 2002
